Bad Commentary...

I am just grateful that we have streaming, any streaming at all. If we didn't all we'd get to watch is re-runs of Willie Mosconi, Luther Lassister etc and months old tournaments. Once I've seen them a hundred times I'm done!

What I'd prefer to see from people here is constructive criticism, lets tell the guys what you think would be a good idea, what would work etc not just that's 'Crap'. Personally I almost never listen to the commentry because I prefer not too. I don't have the chat up either because there is just too much BS going on in there. I want to watch Pool so I go full screen and picture only!:)
 
Although "you can't please everybody" I think suggestions for improvement are okay to hear. How else would they know to possibly try something different in the future?

No one is perfect out the gate - improvements usually come from suggestions, not just the insiders.

I also want to applaud Kickin' Chicken for the way he worded his thread. Some people BASH and are RUDE when the don't like something - he instead explained his reasonings and also stated it NICELY. Wow - what a breath of fresh air to see!
 
JoeyA said:
You may very well be right.

The chat room is a mine field and the streamers probably need to hire a professional chat room monitor. Live Streamers will now need more money. :D

Although, I do wonder how many people would show up for the broadcast if there was no chat.

You also make me wonder what the sponsors would prefer as far as the chat rooms are concerned because IT IS afterall, THE SPONSORS who pay for the FREE live stream broadcasts.

I can only imagine that the sponsors are trying to figure it out if the chat rooms are worth the effort.

Maybe some of the sponsors could make a contribution about this......
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Joey A my point is about real sponsors, not pool sponsors. current sponsors are pool people and they think a lot of the stuff is cute or maybe even relevant but an outside (real) sponsor would cringe. pool needs the real sponsors to get out of the mud. they bring money. many of the current sponsors are just trading, not paying.
 
Fast Lenny said:
I think most people out there especially in 9 ball could really care less about someone commentating on every shot. I think one pocket the commentary is more insightful and interesting. My opinion is as long as you let people know the players, the game and what is going on like the race or money involved they are happy and interested.

Most of the stuff that goes on in the chats is not about the match and more about socializing. I try to keep the chat and commentary clean but its not easy especially if you play or step away for a moment, I have had people step in who should have not and some who step in and do an excellent job. It is what it is, low budget free shows, I am sure I could do a great play by play for a match or two but after a bit it gets old and boring sitting there. It is to each their own, some people want pro commentary on the match and others who know the game well are okay with some little updates and want to just BS.

I did probably the longest marathon match that was streamed, 30 hours with Frost and Preacher Ronn and I assure you I do not think any living human could have done a play by play for that. There were times when I just sat there totally quiet for a good amount of time, if someone asked for an update I would give it but trust me you get worn out. I do think people in the chat should be more respectful to the players, commentators and the people putting on the show instead of bashing them or acting like an idiot. I have lost patience with people who act like that and usually will just ban them. :smile:
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Lenny I think the majority of streamers are just so much into pool and being pool people that they have no experience with the issues of how money is made (business survival) in the broadcast business. If your goal is to cater to the tiny inside pool customer base then you folks are doing fine. If your goal is to cater to new customers and drive pool into profitable territory than you all are looking at the situation incorrectly. And please don't bring up the point about i'm not into making money just doing good for people. That's fine for you and the tiny number of people that watch. but it's not good for moving pool forward.
 
akaTrigger said:
Although "you can't please everybody" I think suggestions for improvement are okay to hear. How else would they know to possibly try something different in the future?

No one is perfect out the gate - improvements usually come from suggestions, not just the insiders.

I also want to applaud Kickin' Chicken for the way he worded his thread. Some people BASH and are RUDE when the don't like something - he instead explained his reasonings and also stated it NICELY. Wow - what a breath of fresh air to see!
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Trigger, pool streams are NOT just out of the gate. but i do agree with you about Chicken. He's been one of the top thoughtful posters for awhile now. Hate that as we don't get along. his idea of comedy on the chats, er, well, lack thereof, well, anyway. Good job chicken. But we're still not talking.
 
Fuiji sponsor!

mlalum said:
Joey A my point is about real sponsors, not pool sponsors. current sponsors are pool people and they think a lot of the stuff is cute or maybe even relevant but an outside (real) sponsor would cringe. pool needs the real sponsors to get out of the mud. they bring money. many of the current sponsors are just trading, not paying.
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Unfortunately for all concerned, pool watching on the telly just doesn't have the numbers to attract the "real sponsors" as you call them.

A very RECENT "real sponsor" for one of the pro players is FUIJI FILM. It's nice to see them step up to the plate. Now if their horse wins the U.S. Open 9 Ball Championship, maybe they will weigh heavy and others will follow. :thumbup:

Maybe if we got Sid Waddell to the commentary booth we would get some additional viewers and listeners. Hook him up with "The Killer" Jerry Lee Lewis and the masses might tune in. :D
 
I am thankful

It is nice to watch a live stream almost every weekend.. Regardless of the quality, the commentary, or time frame. Sure it is nice to have everything perfect with great commentary. But imagine if we went back 10 years.. We would have nothing like that. I love watch people I have never seen. To put faces with names. Some of the commentary may not be good, but you still get some insight as if you where there. Sometimes you hear stories of stuff that has never been posted or heard before. I just hope all the streamers keep doing a good job and keep promoting our sport.

I am Fan of all the streamers. Accu-Stats, Tar, Big Truck, Lenny, Shannon
and any other streamer I dont know there name. You all great for the game.
 
mlalum said:
Lenny I think the majority of streamers are just so much into pool and being pool people that they have no experience with the issues of how money is made (business survival) in the broadcast business. If your goal is to cater to the tiny inside pool customer base then you folks are doing fine. If your goal is to cater to new customers and drive pool into profitable territory than you all are looking at the situation incorrectly. And please don't bring up the point about i'm not into making money just doing good for people. That's fine for you and the tiny number of people that watch. but it's not good for moving pool forward.
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I do think people will watch even if there is no chat. Do I think some of the banter in the chat rooms is fun?, sometimes. Do I think some of the comments are rude and offensive?, yes I do. Chat monitors should not play favorites and people should have respect and monitor what they type also.

I think you are wrong about the numbers, you seem to think that thousands do not watch these events, sometimes tens of thousands in one day will watch these streams. If you are running at 100-300 people for 10 hours you will probably have had a few thousand people have stopped by.
For the big streams which have had peaks of about 1000 people at once I would say for the day the numbers were over 10,000.

I do not think that these numbers are enough to draw some huge outside sponsorship but perhaps something smaller from them. Most advertisers are looking for the most bang for the buck, if they can pay a penny for every person that sees there product for example they are getting excellent value. The Super Bowl ads cost around 2.5 million or so for 30 seconds, you reach about 90 million people, that is great value.

I would like to show you some of these unique IP numbers sometime, you might be surprised. I have taken into account when the show goes in the main page of Ustream and gives false numbers but I am talking about when it does not and the numbers are on. Perhaps streamers could go to sponsors with these numbers and draw them in, its easy to get inside sponsors as the people watching pool buy pool stuff but selling them that these viewers will buy Skippy peanut butter is another story. I do not believe people have the skills to draw new sponsors and present them in a business like manner, they might need to hire someone for a percentage to do this.

My opinion on what will move pool forward is getting it on TV more and to the masses with bigger prize purses. We are all doing what we can streaming the events and many of the streams out there look great and are becoming more of a production. I am just not sure that pool is really a game that will ever take off, it has faded in popularity since stadium sports came around and kids getting an Xbox instead of a Brunswick.

It would be cool to see the DCC Accustats table live on TV for 2 hours a day on ESPN or whatever showing some matches and giving updates. I do not know if we will see live pool on TV anytime soon, I know it has been done little in the past but its just not really a big spectator sport sadly. The pool community is kind of small, we are a sub culture really and I guess in a way its kind of cool and comfortable.
 
Fast Lenny said:
I do think people will watch even if there is no chat. Do I think some of the banter in the chat rooms is fun?, sometimes. Do I think some of the comments are rude and offensive?, yes I do. Chat monitors should not play favorites and people should have respect and monitor what they type also.

I think you are wrong about the numbers, you seem to think that thousands do not watch these events, sometimes tens of thousands in one day will watch these streams. If you are running at 100-300 people for 10 hours you will probably have had a few thousand people have stopped by.
For the big streams which have had peaks of about 1000 people at once I would say for the day the numbers were over 10,000.

I do not think that these numbers are enough to draw some huge outside sponsorship but perhaps something smaller from them. Most advertisers are looking for the most bang for the buck, if they can pay a penny for every person that sees there product for example they are getting excellent value. The Super Bowl ads cost around 2.5 million or so for 30 seconds, you reach about 90 million people, that is great value.

I would like to show you some of these unique IP numbers sometime, you might be surprised. I have taken into account when the show goes in the main page of Ustream and gives false numbers but I am talking about when it does not and the numbers are on. Perhaps streamers could go to sponsors with these numbers and draw them in, its easy to get inside sponsors as the people watching pool buy pool stuff but selling them that these viewers will buy Skippy peanut butter is another story. I do not believe people have the skills to draw new sponsors and present them in a business like manner, they might need to hire someone for a percentage to do this.

My opinion on what will move pool forward is getting it on TV more and to the masses with bigger prize purses. We are all doing what we can streaming the events and many of the streams out there look great and are becoming more of a production. I am just not sure that pool is really a game that will ever take off, it has faded in popularity since stadium sports came around and kids getting an Xbox instead of a Brunswick.

It would be cool to see the DCC Accustats table live on TV for 2 hours a day on ESPN or whatever showing some matches and giving updates. I do not know if we will see live pool on TV anytime soon, I know it has been done little in the past but its just not really a big spectator sport sadly. The pool community is kind of small, we are a sub culture really and I guess in a way its kind of cool and comfortable.
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Lenny you are a good guy and i apologize if you thought i was picking on you. Not my intention. You know I get worked up about this subject. You're doing everything you could possibly do to help people and pool. we're talking apples and oranges. there are a couple points we disagree on regarding this subject. and there are a few things we disagree on regarding the business of pool. but you're doing everything you can do. i think you tend to look at things from the inside and i tend to look at things from the outside. there's a big gap of difference of opinion in those outlooks.
 
mlalum said:
Lenny you are a good guy and i apologize if you thought i was picking on you. Not my intention. You know I get worked up about this subject. You're doing everything you could possibly do to help people and pool. we're talking apples and oranges. there are a couple points we disagree on regarding this subject. and there are a few things we disagree on regarding the business of pool. but you're doing everything you can do. i think you tend to look at things from the inside and i tend to look at things from the outside. there's a big gap of difference of opinion in those outlooks.
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I am pretty thick skinned but still a sensitive person but nothing you wrote got me upset at all. You know I am a calm person on and offline but I think online things can be taken the wrong way and I know I can be irrational but I am still calm while doing it, haha. I am still working on pulling you into what you call the dark side. :grin:

I have taken into consideration things you have said and actually am going to do a thing or two you suggested also. I value most peoples opinions and believe I can learn something from anyone. I know your trying to do positive stuff for pool in many different ways but people on here do not know that especially with the way you can come off at times via the internutz. :embarrassed2:
 
JesseAllred said:
your number of posts is infamous, the weight of knowing I might never catch up with you on post volume is heavy. I guess I will drown my inadequacy in jack daniels and reruns of cops. you win Joey! why do you and people like John Stewart keep relegating me to the second tier in posting prowess when I clearly deserve to be a first rate poster! Is it because you people can't relate to me growing up in the slums of the phillipines, scraping by on money won giving Efren, Jose and Francisco the 6 and the breaks, its unfair! (sobbing hysterically)
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Jesse,

You might be able to catch Joey in posts if you'd start typing with two hands. I think you're stuck in a rut. :grin:

Roger
 
I honestly rarely listen to the commentary, usually just watch with music in the background.. Or watch a bit from work, commentary would be bad idea here :)

A few that I did listen too have been pretty poor but for the most part, it's all pretty good IMHO! JoeyA's is my favorite AZ commentator! DannyD is my favorite on Accu-stats.
 
Hell, I enjoy it all! Many thanks to all who put on the streams. As far as announcing goes? I learned long ago to not criticize unpaid volunteers. Do that, and they stop volunteering.
 
Commentary

Well I have not had the pleasure of meeting any other streamers than BigTruck, but regardless of who it is I just thank them for providing the streams to us. I have personally jumped in and helped Ray a few times and just hoped I didn't mess up. It is not easy to do because most of us are not as good or talented as the players playing. We may think they are going to do one thing and they do something totally different. I know JoeyA personally and I think I even sat in the booth with him once or twice and he is very talented in the booth. I look forward to the day I get to meet some other streamers and until then I will continue to watch and support pool. I will always offer to lend a helping hand whenever I can. I hope for anyone on here who have heard me in the booth I didn't bore you to death, but remember we are amatuers and I just tried to be as helpful as I can. Thanks to EVERYONE for what they do for this great sport.



NAWLINZ_GLENN
 
Whats constructive?

akaTrigger said:
Although "you can't please everybody" I think suggestions for improvement are okay to hear. How else would they know to possibly try something different in the future?

No one is perfect out the gate - improvements usually come from suggestions, not just the insiders.

I also want to applaud Kickin' Chicken for the way he worded his thread. Some people BASH and are RUDE when the don't like something - he instead explained his reasonings and also stated it NICELY. Wow - what a breath of fresh air to see!
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...I read your blog today after reading this post, "Nice writing!" Oh, and you might try to get the "annoyer" to play some. You could at least see what it takes to get to the table with'em! Now that story, "would probably make for some interesting reading.";)
I agree with the use of constructive criticism for building a better "Beast!" In the end, though, what's constructive can be just another persons opinion, short of the program directors critique of your on air faux-paus.
 
mlalum said:
Lenny I think...
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That was the first problem you had today, mlalum... By the way, how's it going? I haven't had time to stop in and see you much, lately. Been missing you and the others.

...If your goal is to cater to the tiny inside pool customer base then you folks are doing fine. If your goal is to cater to new customers and drive pool into profitable territory than you all are looking at the situation incorrectly. And please don't bring up the point about i'm not into making money just doing good for people. That's fine for you and the tiny number of people that watch. but it's not good for moving pool forward.
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Actually, Lenny does a great job of getting the viewers from all over the world. We run into people everywhere we travel who talk frequently about his streams. (Always good stuff, Lenny.) He isn't the most exciting commentator, but he's a lot better than I am and he's got a great stream and a good bunch of folks who follow him. Lenny isn't in it for the money, but money certainly helps! There are expenses to bring a stream of better quality. It might not seem like it, but there are.

We stream our little 9 ball tournament on Saturday nights for whoever wants to watch. We do it for our family members who can't be with us often and get to feel more like they're in touch with us from all over the place... other parts of Oklahoma, Michigan, Ohio, Texas, Virginia, etc.. I am NOT a good commentator, but I am trying to learn to be better. Also, we've had mic issues we've been working with. Doing a lot better, but it's a work in progress. I have a lot of stuff I'm studying on, right now. Streaming is something I do for fun and it gets me away from all the studying, too. Nobody HAS to watch. If they want to watch but not listen, they have volume control. If they want to watch and not see the chat, that's easy to do, also.

The ONLY reason to stream is to keep in touch by bringing something we all enjoy into our homes. If we want to have a more professional stream, we'll have more money invested, more time invested, bigger, better, MORE equipment, more "style" applied to our videos and commentary, etc.. Quite often, we enjoy watching the small tournaments, instead of the pros. We KNOW what the pros can do. We like to see what the little guy has in his game. :thumbup:

Before I forget to say so, I also like how well the first post was stated. It was a bit uncomfortable to read, knowing that my commentary is some of the not-so-great stuff, but it was honest and not intended to point fingers or hurt anyone. I really like that.
 
Zbotiman said:
...I read your blog today after reading this post, "Nice writing!" Oh, and you might try to get the "annoyer" to play some. You could at least see what it takes to get to the table with'em! Now that story, "would probably make for some interesting reading.";)
I agree with the use of constructive criticism for building a better "Beast!" In the end, though, what's constructive can be just another persons opinion, short of the program directors critique of your on air faux-paus.
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Thanks! I actually wish I wrote better, so your comments mean a lot.

And you are right - suggestions are just opinions. It's how the other party sees them - can the opinions help or not?
 
My feelings are that bad commentary is what's wrong with pool.

I especially think it's demeaning to image of the game of pool, when these commentators say that someone is about to "loose" the game before it's been completed.

It's very disturbing to a potential sponsor to hear more then 5 "um"s in a sentence.

THAT is what REALLY is wrong with pool, IMO.

Thanks for your time and understanding.

Bless this game for the untold hours of pleasure it has given us, for........

WE'RE NOT WORTHY!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FucbvoFFy0#t=00m12s
 
"CaliRed". said:
My feelings are that bad commentary is what's wrong with pool.

I especially think it's demeaning to image of the game of pool, when these commentators say that someone is about to "loose" the game before it's been completed.

It's very disturbing to a potential sponsor to hear more then 5 "um"s in a sentence.

THAT is what REALLY is wrong with pool, IMO.

Thanks for your time and understanding.

Bless this game for the untold hours of pleasure it has given us, for........

WE'RE NOT WORTHY!!!
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You crack me up Cali!
 
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