Bad Rep's for posting honest opinions

[Purdman]

I thought you would think it was time for another adult flick!

I hope you are not disappointed, but I think the 'guy' is a gal!

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I like her sense of humor my friend. Would you please pass the jelly?
Purd

 

[Cuebacca]

Hey, just like me, you're entitled to your opinion, you can even call me an ass if you like, but don't go making up rules. A pro is no better a person then anyone else on this board. Freedom of speech, you can bad rep me, call me names whatever ya want, and if I think someones acting like an ass I can say that too. I'll take your suggestions to heart and think before I type again, but we all know what the rep's are their for, and its not to bust on people for their opinion. If any pro sport as more asses in it then pool let me know, its the nature of the beast. I don't see anyone talking about the great chat they had with Earl the other day down at the coffee shop.

I understand your point, but yes, there is a rule; I didn't make it up. It's worded something like this:

"It's OK to disagree with someone, but it's not OK to call them an idiot.

As soon as you start calling people idiots and asses, it's a slippery slope. I'm not sure if you see where I'm coming from. It's not that I'm offended by it, it's just that the communication can quickly degrade into something that basically damages the board.

I'd recommend focusing on what he did that you didn't like. Don't generalize to call him an ass. You bring up freedom of speech. Show me where on the AZ rules, or where in the constitution, bill of rights, etc, is says that you are entitled to say whatever you want on a privately owned message board. You aren't.

PM a moderator about it if you like. It's not my rule, although I do agree with it. If you think this only applies to new members, you are wrong. Veteran posters who have 1000's of posts and have been here for years have been banned for melting down and sticking to their guns on their melt down. I'm sure some people blame others for it, but in the end, it was no one's fault but their own.

Do or should pros get special treatment? I don't think the rules address that. IMO, the moderators only have limited time, and won't catch everything. The members themselves will be more likely to report a rule-breaking post when it attacks a pro, so in that sense, the pros get special treatment by popular demand.

This is good, IMO; we should make an effort not to drive them away. I consider myself a recreational pool player, but you could say I'm also a pool fan. I'm not saying we should put pros on a pedestal, but I do think that we are fortunate to have pool pros, industry reps, etc., posting on here. It's something that we are lucky to have that you probably won't find on forums for other interests. A lot of AZ members appreciate that, I think, and will try to protect it.

 

[Bigkahuna]

Well, this has been an interesting start for someone on AZB. Starts off with an insulting remark gets red in the morning and then has all green by the afternoon. Really does not make the initial comments any better. This guy made derogatory statements about a professional pool player. I would say the red was deserved for any derogatory statements about anyone. :angry: And certainly should not be winning any arguments...

 

[Cuebacca]

o.k. so maybe you don't call someone an ass. but i would. chad johnson is an ass. terrlell owens is an ass. if i feel someone is acting like a jerk i have no problem letting them know, it's my right in this country.

It's not your right on AZ. This is a privately owned message board. The first amendment doesn't protect you here. You have the right to express your opinion, but you're supposed to figure out a way to do that without making an ad-homonym attack. It's not that hard to do with a little effort.

i don't care if they are a pro or not. gabe's staus doesn't protect him.

You're right that it doesn't protect him from raising issue with his actions if you have a problem with them. However, the forum rules apply to everyone including pros.

what should have protected him was that the whole story didn't come out. when it did it was clear maybe his actions were justified and he didn't deserve to be called out and it's unfortunate he was called out before the story unfolded. but i think to say someone is protected from being called out on the carpet because they are a professional is nonsense.

Who said that? I think you're confusing making an ad-homonym attack on a pro with disagreeing with something a pro did. There's a big difference.

i've been called way worse on this forum and i haven't shot red rep to anyone.

Two wrongs don't make a right. What did the mods say about it when you or someone else brought it to their attention?

if this guy was gonna get flagged let gabe do it. that's who the comment was directed towards. anyone else who flagged the hill was flagging for his opinion. he didn't say anything about them or to them.

I disagree. If we take that approach, we will just lose some of our posters, weather they're pros or not. A lot of them won't complain; they'll just leave. If you're OK with that, that's your prerogative, but a lot of us aren't.

Bottom line is that the owner and staff here have the right and the authority to warn or boot anyone who is violating the forum rules or dancing on the line, and they do that at their discretion based on what they feel is in the site's best interest. It always amazes me how people will try to argue to the contrary. Members can also make other members aware of that, and can report any post that they feel the mods would want brought to their attention.

 

[poolplayer2093]

What exactly happened? who got blackballed?

 

[gopi-1]

Chill out there Old Blue. This too will pass. I think the word ASS might be what caused the red rep. Next time you might give "Anal Cavity" a try.
Like my old friend "Richard Cranium" use to say, "A red rep is better than no rep at all"!
Peace, Purdman

I did some investigating and "Richard Cranium" is just an alias, Dick Head is his real name!

 

[tucson9ball]

The Hill

What exactly happened? who got blackballed?

He did not get black balled, just got his panties in a bunch-lol. Started on hear and right away called somebody an "ass". Not the way to start off on a forum where nobody knows your screen name yet.
No big deal though, he seems to have planty o green now. Somebody must have repped him for showing his opinion.
I say let bygones be bygones....let's all keep strokin

 

[Thecoats]

I think its pretty crappy that a new member gets blackballed because he voiced his opinion on a subject. I guess having more posts makes your opinion more valid then others, even though an opinion is just your personal feelings on the matter. Bad rep's should be reserved for people who give out false info, not for voicing their personal opinions. Sorry if I pissed anyone off, but this is a sure fire way to scare off new members to the site.

/end ***** :grin:

I understand were you feel you may have been unfairly beat up for only posting your opinion. But you should probably consider what you said to better understand the backlash. It is not a real good idea referring to any individual as an ass in a public forum. Good luck moving forward, this is a great site don't give up on it too soon.

Take Care
-don

 

[The_Hill]

Hey, no hard feelings here, the guy that red'ed me acutally did me a favor and because many disagreed with him they pushed me well into the green, thanks those that did.

Cuebacca, I see where you are comming from, I see eye to eye with you on most of what you say, the rest isn't anything worth fighting over. As for the random comments about how hes a pro and that demands respect, I don't agree. We are all people, we can all be nits and asses, everyone makes mistakes. Most who said this wouldn't think twice about saying worse about our president so to each is own. My rant is over.

 

[Cuebacca]

Cuebacca, I see where you are comming from, I see eye to eye with you on most of what you say, the rest isn't anything worth fighting over. As for the random comments about how hes a pro and that demands respect, I don't agree. We are all people, we can all be nits and asses, everyone makes mistakes. Most who said this wouldn't think twice about saying worse about our president so to each is own. My rant is over.

I agree, no one's perfect. Constructive criticism will probably be more effective though anyway. I can only hope our current president doesn't join AZ. I guess then I will have to call him donkily challenged? :grin-square:

 

[The_Hill]

Doesn't matter what side you're on, everyone thinks he's challenged in some form or shape.

 

[The_Hill]

Hey before I loose my Vcash too, what is that all about? What is it for?

 

[gopi-1]

Hey before I loose my Vcash too, what is that all about? What is it for?

Oh that? That's what you use to pay for the v-burger and v-fries you will order when you're hungry here!

 

[sjm]

I think its pretty crappy that a new member gets blackballed because he voiced his opinion on a subject. I guess having more posts makes your opinion more valid then others, even though an opinion is just your personal feelings on the matter. Bad rep's should be reserved for people who give out false info, not for voicing their personal opinions. Sorry if I pissed anyone off, but this is a sure fire way to scare off new members to the site.

/end ***** :grin:

Though I don't know which incident you refer to, I basically agree.

I might add that I do not judge posters by their rep or their post count. I know whose posts I enjoy most on this forum, and look out for their posts and threads. Some of the best posters on AZB have low post counts.

There's no rank around here. Anybody with an opinion, well or poorly reasoned, who can post it in a tone of mutual repsect for other posters is very valuable in these AZB parts.

As you suggest, any bias against newbies is completely inappropriate.

 

[manwon]

I think its pretty crappy that a new member gets blackballed because he voiced his opinion on a subject. I guess having more posts makes your opinion more valid then others, even though an opinion is just your personal feelings on the matter. Bad rep's should be reserved for people who give out false info, not for voicing their personal opinions. Sorry if I pissed anyone off, but this is a sure fire way to scare off new members to the site.

/end ***** :grin:

Who are talking about? I am certain ther is more to the story than people just singling some one out for no reason.

 

[gabesmom]

Hi The_Hill,
I posted this on the other thread, so will post it here too....


"..... I'm not offended by what anyone here said about Gabe...."a#$" or whatever. I'm sure he can be that way at times, (maybe he has good reason in some cases, maybe not) as most of us can be at times....."

I know this is a forum, everyone has their opinions. (but I didn't give the red rep - I hardly have the rep thing figured out after 5 years!)

 

[poolpro]

Hey, just like me, you're entitled to your opinion, you can even call me an ass if you like, but don't go making up rules. A pro is no better a person then anyone else on this board. Freedom of speech, you can bad rep me, call me names whatever ya want, and if I think someones acting like an ass I can say that too. I'll take your suggestions to heart and think before I type again, but we all know what the rep's are their for, and its not to bust on people for their opinion. If any pro sport as more asses in it then pool let me know, its the nature of the beast. I don't see anyone talking about the great chat they had with Earl the other day down at the coffee shop.

He did not make up any rules, he is letting you know what the rules that you agreed to when you signed up on this forum are! You did not just state an opinion. You used profanity and resorted to name calling and personally attacking another member. These ARE clear violations of forum rules.

I agree that people should not red rep just for having a differing opinion, but this is something else.

Go ahead and express your opinion. Do it while treating the other members with at least a bit of respect and leave the profanity and name calling to the grade schoolers, and everything will be fine.

An opinion is a point of view, NOT a personal attack. If you continue with this behavior, I will bet that red rep will continue to find you. Repeated and blatant violations will eventually be met with a ban.

You no longer have the luxury to act suprised when it happens to you again. You have been made aware, so you can't cry foul the next time. This is a consequence of your decision to post in that way. If getting red rep bothers you, than treat members with a bit more respect, and you will get the same.

I did not read the original post. I have not given any red. I am just giving MY opinion. I did not feel the need to attack you or use profanity to do it either.

I hope you continue to enjoy this forum for a long time. I als hope others will enjoy having you as a member for just as long.

JW

 

[akaTrigger]

For somebody complainin about red you sure have a lot o green for a newbie.
But seriously, what ya got red for was calling somebody an "ass". You would probably have done better to just disagree with em and there would be no problem. We disagree with others all the time. But the name calling will get ya negative feedback.

Excellent post!!! I repped you for it, too. I wont rep the OP for *****in about getting slapped for calling someone an a$$. That's why he has so much green now... for complaining. :shakehead: :shakehead:

I'm not saying the OPshould have received red rep, but I am agreeing with others he shouldn't have called him an a$$.

 

[BrandyWine]

Many new members do not take the time to really read through the rules and/or stickys. I suggest you take a moment and do so. Some of you could use a refresher.:smile: The "Red Repper" can always look up and see how many post and determine if someone is new. They can either give a gentle reminder to that person of the forum rules or just email Mr. Wilson and let him take care of it.

Simple: You have the right to your opinion and can voice/converse your ideas with others without personally attacking another member. You are not allowed to call someone an idiot because they do not think the same as you. :indecisive:

Hill:
Mike (aka house pro) is the site owner
Mr. Wilson is the primary moderator (there are 4 total)

If you have a problem you need to forward a PM to Wilson. If you have questions you may contact me directly and I will see if I can help. Everyone on the forum is always helpful if you just ask.:thumbup: Thanks AZers!

 

[poolpro]

Excellent post!!! I repped you for it, too. I wont rep the OP for *****in about getting slapped for calling someone an a$$. That's why he has so much green now... for complaining. :shakehead: :shakehead:

I'm not saying the OPshould have received red rep, but I am agreeing with others he shouldn't have called him an a$$.

Yeah, I find that interesting. The OP started a thread complaining about getting red rep just for staing his opinion and claimed that it was wrong, and rep should not be used for that. Yet he is not complaining at all for the green that some people must have given him for agreeing with his opinion. Hmmm?



Rep is pretty much a pat on the back or a slap in the face in a figurative way. You have the right to express yourself however you want, just be prepared for others to express themselves also. And you may disagree more with how they choose to express their opinions. This is a pretty good rule of thumb in the real ( non internet) world as well.

JW