Bank the 8 proposition

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"Pool players are notorious for finding the angle and beating the system. Such was the case when "deals" between players were made regarding the bank-the-eightball bonus. IPT founder Kevin Trudeau says "I am a little disappointed but not surprised about the short-term thinking and hustling tactics of many of these players. Their ethics, honesty, and character need a little work. I am not judging because I myself had ethics problems before I turned my life around. I have faith these players will over time raise their ethics levels."

I was wondering if this would be the case and I wonder how they dealt with it. More importantly however I am wondering what caused Kevin to put up a challenge that would open the door for players to act unprofessionally. There was no real need to have a proposition like this, only a real fool would throw away the chance at hundreds of thousands of dollars on banking the 8. The smart ones just have a saver built in when they know the game is lost. What I mean is that it's a little mean to hold the candy out there when this thing is supposed to be ultra-professional.

Kevin probably thought it would be a good idea for another spur-of-the moment bonus. I prefer bonuses for performance that doesn't tempt players to act unethically. The rack running bonus is a great one because there is no way that two players can collude to "fix" that. You just have to do it. I don't think that there is a real need for a lot more gimmicky propositions here. Just play.

Here's a thought Kevin. I am sure you have had it as well. Internet Pay-Per-View. I would love to watch these matches on the internet. I would happily pay a small amount to be able to log in and view a match in progress. Say $10 for the duration of the tournament for a single camera, no commentary feed. That's a gimmick worth doing.

John
 
"Deals"? What's going on? Are people intentionally pooching shots to set their opponents up for an easy 8-ball bank, and splitting the bonus?

Go go gadget sportsmanship! :/

You wouldn't be able to see much with one camera - one match at a time, max.

Something else that might be interesting is what goes on in the cricket world - which is, a running textual status of the match. Have someone sitting watching the match with a connected laptop, typing in a sentence at a time as things happen, i.e. "Player X pockets the 7 ball in a corner pocket, leaving a straight shot on the 5 ball to the side" etc. One could even set it up to get text alerts on phones, if desired. *shrug*
 
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I am a KT fan, but...

onepocketchump said:
"Pool players are notorious for finding the angle and beating the system. Such was the case when "deals" between players were made regarding the bank-the-eightball bonus. IPT founder Kevin Trudeau says "I am a little disappointed but not surprised about the short-term thinking and hustling tactics of many of these players. Their ethics, honesty, and character need a little work. I am not judging because I myself had ethics problems before I turned my life around. I have faith these players will over time raise their ethics levels."

I was wondering if this would be the case and I wonder how they dealt with it. More importantly however I am wondering what caused Kevin to put up a challenge that would open the door for players to act unprofessionally. There was no real need to have a proposition like this, only a real fool would throw away the chance at hundreds of thousands of dollars on banking the 8. The smart ones just have a saver built in when they know the game is lost. What I mean is that it's a little mean to hold the candy out there when this thing is supposed to be ultra-professional.

Kevin probably thought it would be a good idea for another spur-of-the moment bonus. I prefer bonuses for performance that doesn't tempt players to act unethically. The rack running bonus is a great one because there is no way that two players can collude to "fix" that. You just have to do it. I don't think that there is a real need for a lot more gimmicky propositions here. Just play.

Here's a thought Kevin. I am sure you have had it as well. Internet Pay-Per-View. I would love to watch these matches on the internet. I would happily pay a small amount to be able to log in and view a match in progress. Say $10 for the duration of the tournament for a single camera, no commentary feed. That's a gimmick worth doing.

John
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I agree! It's one thing if millionaire golfers don't take advantage of a situation like this (which seems to be the behavior KT expected), it's quite another when poor pool players who just travelled across the country and put up $2000 to not take advantage of this. I don't feel KT used his head on this one, it was probably spur of the moment.
 
C'mon people. I am sure that KT just thought he would give the players a bonus, a little incentive, and a few players showed their true grit. Bums.

So blame the players, not KT. Next you will be blaming Bush. Blame the bums who did it. And point them out. I am sure you will not see them on the IPT Tour.

And the bank the 8 is only good for today. Most likely because a couple players became hogs and ruined it for everyone else.

Might not see any incentives from now on. He will just save it for the ones who make the tour.

I just wonder how obvious the players made it.

Jake
 
enzo said:
I agree! It's one thing if millionaire golfers don't take advantage of a situation like this (which seems to be the behavior KT expected), it's quite another when poor pool players who just travelled across the country and put up $2000 to not take advantage of this. I don't feel KT used his head on this one, it was probably spur of the moment.
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His comments are interesting. He should have just said nothing, sat back with a knowing smile and just not done it any more chalking it up to experience. Instead he made some crybaby self-serving insulting comments toward the players, most of who I expect just played position on a simple bank and collected the cash he offered. I also think it gave us a tiny glimpse of what may be his possible exit strategy if he doesn't like the way things are going. He will just announce no one appreciates his efforts and he is pulling the plug blaming it on everyone else, a nice easy way to basically get himself out of this IPT sinkhole he has gotten himself into when it goes into a full financial hemorrhage and write off the loss. Scenarios abound as KT's world turns
 
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Bums?

Let's see, the great genius KT offers a silly proposition that gives people a chance to make some dollars instead of the vast majority losing two thousand dollars. Simple banks aren't substantially higher risk and are often easier shots than cut shots so why in the world shouldn't people opt for the simple bank and an easy thousand?

The other player doesn't have to be involved, a player simply has to choose the position to play when shooting his last ball most of the time.

Hu


jjinfla said:
C'mon people. I am sure that KT just thought he would give the players a bonus, a little incentive, and a few players showed their true grit. Bums.

So blame the players, not KT. Next you will be blaming Bush. Blame the bums who did it. And point them out. I am sure you will not see them on the IPT Tour.

And the bank the 8 is only good for today. Most likely because a couple players became hogs and ruined it for everyone else.

Might not see any incentives from now on. He will just save it for the ones who make the tour.

I just wonder how obvious the players made it.

Jake
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I am a little disappointed but not surprised about the short-term thinking and hustling tactics of many of these players. Their ethics, honesty, and character need a little work.
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:confused: :) :D :D :p LMAO

The conman gets hustled. How ironic.:)

Gabber....at least he's got a sense of humour:D
 
what if deals were made?

If both players agreed to bank the eight it is still a level playing field and in no way damages the integrity of the tournament.

The IPT has one thing going for it, M-O-N-E-Y. KT waves money in front of people trying to get into the IPT and then is surprised that they go for it? Just why does he imagine that they are there to begin with?

Hu


jjinfla said:
I believe the word "deals" was mentioned by KT.
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This cracks me up.
 
Timberly said:
OMG, you & your wife, aka Alices' sister :D crack me up!! Thats hysterical!!
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When the tournament started, the Tournament Director walked around and noticed that a couple of the matches had 3 games played with all 3 eight balls banked. Needless to say, they cancelled the bonus after that round. I had to take a picture of the sign they posted as a memorabilia.
 
Hey Louie, That's way funny!

Martin


Louis Ulrich said:
When the tournament started, the Tournament Director walked around and noticed that a couple of the matches had 3 games played with all 3 eight balls banked. Needless to say, they cancelled the bonus after that round. I had to take a picture of the sign they posted as a memorabilia.
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I'm a windbag, and this leaves me speechless. "Hey, you'll all get rich in the IPT, but....you vill not get rrrich in ze qualifiers". I've always reserved the term "nit" for poolrooms, but I guess I'll have to expand the domain in this case. Wow.
 
jazznpool said:
Hey Louie, That's way funny!

Martin
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I thought you would have been there for sure. It was exciting to play/watch. Along with the tournament there was some good action.

Swing by tomorrow if you can. It should be fun.
 
Did you think?

that the ethics of Pool Players would improve 'overnight'? Yes, Kt is trying to raise the level of Pool, but most of these players have been or are 'Hustlers', and yes there is a certain element of con to it. There are groing to be
growing pains and shakeouts along the way. Why should anyone be so surprised at this is beyond me, especially if you have played Pool for a long time and for some big money. You simply can not go to a 'let the seller be responsibile / let the player be professional' when all they existed in for decades is a 'let the buyer beware / let the opponent think what he is getting' environment. As someone once said, 'It is the nature of the beast'.
 
ShootingArts said:
If both players agreed to bank the eight it is still a level playing field and in no way damages the integrity of the tournament.
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It does damage the integrity of the tournament. Each player is expected to play each rack in a way that maximizes the likelihoood of winning the rack.

Then again, I'm sure fans watching any match in which the players conspired to do less were alerted by the players to the fact that they'd do better to sweat another match. Yeah, right.
 
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explain this to me please

Explain to me why a player is less likely to win a rack if both players are banking the eight instead of both players shooting it straight in.

Hu


sjm said:
It does damage the integrity of the tournament. Each player is expected to play each rack in a way that maximizes the likelihoood of winning the rack.

Then again, I'm sure fans watching any match in which the players conspired to do less were alerted by the players to the fact that they'd do better to sweat another match. Yeah, right.
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Thats an easy question

ShootingArts said:
Explain to me why a player is less likely to win a rack if both players are banking the eight instead of both players shooting it straight in.

Hu
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One player might be a great 1p player like Scott Frost and thus likely to make many more banks. What if your opponent was the dcc bank champion? It would be like spotting a champion in a game of 8 ball. Duh
 
sjm said:
It does damage the integrity of the tournament. Each player is expected to play each rack in a way that maximizes the likelihoood of winning the rack.

Then again, I'm sure fans watching any match in which the players conspired to do less were alerted by the players to the fact that they'd do better to sweat another match. Yeah, right.
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The integrity of the tournament? When you have so many side prizes it lends itself more as a game instead of a tournament. Like the Skins instead of the Augusta or a slam dunk contest instead of the Final Four

When KT had Mike Sigel battle Lori Jon Jones for the World Champion crown. It was already a commercial enterprise and not a very serious competition to find out the best in the world. KT put out the money now the players are in the game to make some. By whatever means necessary.. I dont blame them.
 
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