Banking The CTE Way On A Diamond Table

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lfigueroa said:
You were an acolyte before you even went.

And taking a lesson from someone doesn’t mean you believe. No different than reading their book or watching their DVD. You can easily walk away scratching you head asking yourself, “What the hell was that about?!”

Lou Figueroa
bought one of
Stan’s DVDs
lol
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Except i didn't walk away scratching my head, and judging by the impressive list of Stan's other students they didn't either. Not our fault that the info is above your pay grade.

Does Lou ever post anything worthwhile?

Still waiting for that list of well known students.
 
cookie man said:
Except i didn't walk away scratching my head, and judging by the impressive list of Stan's other students they didn't either. Not our fault that the info is above your pay grade.

Does Lou ever post anything worthwhile?

Still waiting for that list of well known students.
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No, I wouldn’t expect you to ever doubt the Grand-Poobah, lol.

I don’t give formal lessons like Stan does. People occasionally approach me for help because they respect my game and I freely give it. When sometimes asked about CTE I’m happy to show why it is a deeply flawed system. That’s it.

Lou Figueroa
I just do
what I can
 
cookie man said:
Which would still be more than you.

Check this yoyo out. Complaining about someones posting when he posts like he does.

Look in the mirror Lou, look in the mirror
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I’m quite happy with what I see, lol.

Lou Figueroa
OK maybe the hairline
is receding too quick, lol
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I think he's also one of the pro players who uses CTE, correct? Do you think he's a strong enough player to wax each of the FAB 5? I wonder what the highest game total would be in a race to 100 of the highest scorer for the FAB 5...maybe 4?

Tyler GETS IT!!
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YES, another successful student of Stan's. CTE PRO-ONE player. And a great kid.
 
lfigueroa said:
I don’t give formal lessons like Stan does. People occasionally approach me for help because they respect my game and I freely give it. When sometimes asked about CTE I’m happy to show why it is a deeply flawed system. That’s it.

Lou Figueroa
I just do
what I can and CAN'T DO
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Please describe how and what you show that makes it a deeply flawed system.

Is it all shots, doesn't work on anything? Is it certain shots based on angle or distance? Do you even know any part of PRO1? If so, describe it.

How about basic CTE with manual pivot? If so, describe it for a 15 or 39 degree cut.

Lets take a spot shot as an example. What are the visuals? How is it supposed to be done and how do you explain it?

The microphone is yours Lou. Take it away with the above or will it be typical Lou spinning, twisting, and weaseling his way around it?

DESCRIBE THE SHOT AND HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE.

If my memory serves me correctly, you got a part way through the first DVD for manual pivot and said, "Screw This" and sold it to someone. So how did you LEARN it?

BTW, this goes for ANY of the FAB 5. Pick out a shot and explain in detail or by video why it doesn't work as you explain the step by step visual and physical steps of setting up to the shot for CTE Pro 1 or manual CTE. Your choice.
 
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cookie man said:
YES, another successful student of Stan's. CTE PRO-ONE player. And a great kid.
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I agree, he's a great player, fun to watch.

However, as well as he plays, and referencing the title of this thread, if you watch his bank pool matches you don't see him banking any better than any other pro player, despite his CTE experience and knowledge. This makes me believe that the primary factors for banking are speed and spin, and the method one player uses to align banks is not quite as important.

If the intention of this thread (and for showing Stan's 12 ball bank run) is to show proof that CTE players have an edge or a superior banking method, then players like Tyler or Moore or any other pro CTE player should be dominating in professional bank pool, but they aren't. Could it be because the best bankers are those who have the most banking experience because they started banking at a very early age, like the all-time greats...John Brumback, Truman Hogue, Glen Rogers, Buckey Bell, and many more...? Stan falls into this category, CTE or not. You just can't erase or discard experience from your brain, from muscle memory, etc... It will always play a role in what you do and how well you can do it. So even though Stan uses CTE visuals and sweeps to align his shots, including bank shots, the true secret or edge to his performance is experience.
 
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BC21 said:
I agree, he's a great player, fun to watch.

However, as well as he plays, and referencing the title of this thread, if you watch his bank pool matches you don't see him banking any better than any other pro player, despite his CTE experience and knowledge. This makes me believe that the primary factors for banking are speed and spin, and the method one player uses to align banks is not quite as important.

If the intention of this thread (and for showing Stan's 12 ball bank run) is to show proof that CTE players have an edge or a superior banking method, then players like Tyler or Moore or any other pro CTE player should be dominating in professional bank pool, but they aren't.

That was never the intention of the thread. Tyler is a 9 ball and 10 ball rotation player. Just like Aranas and all the other young hotshots. It's their main passion and expertise. They "may" attempt a bank here or there if they feel super confident but missing could easily cost them the game and 6 more after that if it's winner breaks. They can't afford to give the table up so it's better to either hide the CB or try a two way shot hiding it.

Could it be because the best bankers are those who have the most banking experience because they started banking at a very early age, like the all-time greats...John Brumback, Truman Hogue, Glen Rogers, Buckey Bell, and many more...? Stan falls into this category, CTE or not. You just can't erase or discard experience from your brain, from muscle memory, etc... It will always play a role in what you do and how well you can do it. So even though Stan uses CTE visuals and sweeps to align his shots, including bank shots, the true secret or edge to his performance is experience.
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But for the regular player, it certainly beats feel, guesswork, and all the other knowledge that goes along with banking they don't have. If you think the top bank pool players don't have encyclopedic knowledge in their head involving angles, speed, spin, table variances, and "tricks" of the trade, you're sadly mistaken. Banking isn't just "angle in = angle out"

CTE is another arrow in the quiver and for a lot of players a top notch bow also.
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
But for the regular player, it certainly beats feel, guesswork, and all the other knowledge that goes along with banking they don't have. If you think the top bank pool players don't have encyclopedic knowledge in their head involving angles, speed, spin, table variances, and "tricks" of the trade, you're sadly mistaken. Banking isn't just "angle in = angle out"

CTE is another arrow in the quiver and for a lot of players a top notch bow also.
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Excellent points. That's all I was getting at, in bold. And there's nothing wrong with having all the arrows you can carry in the quiver.
 
BC21 said:
Excellent points. That's all I was getting at, in bold. And there's nothing wrong with having all the arrows you can carry in the quiver.
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And here is the example of what we both posted...CTE techniques for Banks and incredible knowledge. Which is why he's the teaching pro for all facets of pool with the young pro players and top amateurs that want to reach their potential.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4KYhhzduhM&list=UUW8lTFYIYGN2AjHKN23M-RQ&index=83&t=0s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYjjKvC6irA&list=UUW8lTFYIYGN2AjHKN23M-RQ&index=83


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY0tp_UnS_g&list=UUW8lTFYIYGN2AjHKN23M-RQ&index=97
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
Please describe how and what you show that makes it a deeply flawed system.

Is it all shots, doesn't work on anything? Is it certain shots based on angle or distance? Do you even know any part of PRO1? If so, describe it.

How about basic CTE with manual pivot? If so, describe it for a 15 or 39 degree cut.

Lets take a spot shot as an example. What are the visuals? How is it supposed to be done and how do you explain it?

The microphone is yours Lou. Take it away with the above or will it be typical Lou spinning, twisting, and weaseling his way around it?

DESCRIBE THE SHOT AND HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE.

If my memory serves me correctly, you got a part way through the first DVD for manual pivot and said, "Screw This" and sold it to someone. So how did you LEARN it?

BTW, this goes for ANY of the FAB 5. Pick out a shot and explain in detail or by video why it doesn't work as you explain the step by step visual and physical steps of setting up to the shot for CTE Pro 1 or manual CTE. Your choice.
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lfigueroa said:
I ask if they would agree that pool players have all kinds of different physical traits when it comes to shooting pool.

Then I ask them to visualize any perception they wish. Then I ask: what if you’re taller, shorter, set up low, set up high, stand to the left of the shot v the right, shoot with your cue under your right eye, left eye, or centered under your chin, and what about your footwork, etc.

It doesn’t take them too long to realize that whatever Stan sees cannot possibly be what everyone else sees.

Lou Figueroa
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BTW, you are wrong about the first DVD -- I got through the whole thing and posted my review: https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=221106

My review is at post #77.

Lou Figueroa
 
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