Bar Box monsters

ribdoner said:
i played at the rack a lot from 86/87 through the spring of 92

for the $$$ James C was the chalk. When a healthy Brian Atchly (sp?) made the cover of a billiard mag and heralded as "the baron of the barbox" Gordy took James to Brian's home court (bar) in N. Little Rock and relieved his corp. of over 17 dimes. i watched James give Don S (owner) the 3,5 & 7 + the snap and get there. Don, although in a chair wasn't helpless....played about like an apa 6 or 7.....broke even after a 7 hr set with Hubert B (granted Hubert was not experienced on a bar box and took too many chances trying to get perfect shape when he should have accepted a harder shot).

OOP and Fargo also played better than Danny, that said, there is no shame in not being able to get there against them. If danny had developed his game "on the natch" i think he had a very high ceiling

i had some fun matches with Danny & OOP....next time i see you i'll share them with you
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Who is OOP ?
 
Island Drive said:
John Shuput was a good box player, outta Omaha.
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Super slow but a great player! I visited him in Omaha once and stayed at his house there (this was late 70's). He steered me to a local bar where I won a few hundred playing the local sucker (John had given me all the info on him already). I borrowed his little Triumph TR4 that night because a snow storm was coming in (left my Caddy parked out front). Coming home afterwards that little car slid off the road and got caught in a snow drift. I had to walk a long ways in that storm to find a pay phone to call John, who came and picked me up and brought me back to his house. We waited until the next day (after the storm died down) to retrieve his Triumph. Such fond memories. :)
 
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I remember Surfer Rod came to Colorado Springs springs and visited Grady at his room late 70's. I had just gotten my shoulder operation 3 mths before, and was unable to break the balls very well but I got em to play me since I was still injured/healing on a 9'. Rod was an above average bar box player.
I was beatin' em soundly and I told em I had to use the facilities. We'll....when I got back I noticed he ''switched'' cue balls, perfect.
I asked em to dbl the bet/siwsh, and I robbed em.
Also, there was a man that came here to CO, and always wore green faitgues, then he went back W. and hung out at the Bus Stop bar in San Francisco, Ronnie Barber.
This particular bar on the corner of a bus stop a few blks from Van Ness had 1, 4 X 8 valley bar box with the Big Heavy Cue ball.
Was tough for Anyone to beat em on his home court.
 
1eyedhustler said:
I believe the greatest all around bar box hustler was Franciso Sebastian(Chino/Vera Cruz). He beat Dave Matlock in Chicago back in the 80's. Him and I road played together in the late 80's. He played all tables great including 3-cushion. Only problem was he was too dependent on alcohol and he lost an eye over a hustle he pulled off in Ohio in the early 80's but still beat 99.99% of all those whom he came up against him.. One of his best hustles was safety break leaving his opponent virtually no shot on the 1 ball.
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Did he go by Sebastian Franco on the road sometimes? I ran into a guy that played really good once by that name. Maybe they are two different people.
 
I would have liked to have seen David Matlock play. Cj Wiley has a story or 2 on him being a beast on the table.
 
garczar said:
Besides his bar-box wizardry Dave is also a near world-class 3c player. His hi-run is something like 17 or 18. He does lessons at Shooters in Olathe if anyone wants some serious knowledge. The man knows a LOT.
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Nice. I watched CJ talk about him and how awesome he played. If I ever make it to that neck of the woods I will have to go there and see him in action.
 
Island Drive said:
I remember Surfer Rod came to Colorado Springs springs and visited Grady at his room late 70's. I had just gotten my shoulder operation 3 mths before, and was unable to break the balls very well but I got em to play me since I was still injured/healing on a 9'. Rod was an above average bar box player.
I was beatin' em soundly and I told em I had to use the facilities. We'll....when I got back I noticed he ''switched'' cue balls, perfect.
I asked em to dbl the bet/siwsh, and I robbed em.
Also, there was a man that came here to CO, and always wore green faitgues, then he went back W. and hung out at the Bus Stop bar in San Francisco, Ronnie Barber.
This particular bar on the corner of a bus stop a few blks from Van Ness had 1, 4 X 8 valley bar box with the Big Heavy Cue ball.
Was tough for Anyone to beat em on his home court.
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I wouldn't play Ronnie in there but did play him upstairs at the Palace on Market St. We played $10 9-Ball and I hung with him pretty good but I could never get him to break down, so I quit a few games loser. The only time we ever played, I had seen enough. I thought he was better than Piona at that time.

I did play Banks with a black guy called Trees that same day. We played 25 a game full rack and I won three games, so it was a good day for me overall. :)
 
sixpack said:
Did he go by Sebastian Franco on the road sometimes? I ran into a guy that played really good once by that name. Maybe they are two different people.
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I beat Vera Cruz in my poolroom in Bakersfield and he put a lot of heat on me afterwards. I wouldn't take that crap in my own room and I told him to get the Hell out. I didn't see him again until years later, but when I did he was nice and polite with me, and I never had a problem with him after that, and I saw him everywhere! Is he still alive? Seems like I saw him at the BCA in Vegas just a few years ago.
 
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PoolFan101 said:
I would have liked to have seen David Matlock play. Cj Wiley has a story or 2 on him being a beast on the table.
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I saw a lot of great bar table players, Keith and Buddy included, but I never saw anyone overpower the table like Matlock. It was like he made the table and the balls do his bidding. Even today no one plays bar table Eight Ball like David did. Forget about finesses and weaving the cue ball around the table for position. David just crushed everything and rearranged the table if he didn't like the way it looked. It was amazing to watch him play.
 
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