Bar Rules Like Wildfire Part 28

beneath_the_sur said:
its like every bar, every slick willies or barneys billiards

people that dont get serious, how did 8ball become the standard cookie cutter game

is it because its about the easiest, most lucky, non skill needing game there is?
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Don't knock eight ball, it can be a challenging and rewarding game when played with a worthy adversary. The reason it is common is because it is the most accessible game. Sure there is a relative ease to at times and that makes more inviting for the casual player.

I have seen many a person separate the cue from the rail using the butt to measure. I just let it go because it instantly tells me this person can't shot with a damn.
 
erhino41 said:
Don't knock eight ball, it can be a challenging and rewarding game when played with a worthy adversary. The reason it is common is because it is the most accessible game. Sure there is a relative ease to at times and that makes more inviting for the casual player.

I have seen many a person separate the cue from the rail using the butt to measure. I just let it go because it instantly tells me this person can't shot with a damn.
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not much of a knock on the game more of on the people
i should just get over the fact theres way more people whod rather slam the balls around
than enjoy it the way i do

the small tables make me angry



but what i said about the game isnt UNtrue
it is pretty easy to win/lose, if its fun for the casuals to win by the oppoenent knocking in the 8ball by accident, or on the break, or scratching on the break, then thats fine for them

i dont play games like that however, straight pool, you cant knock any ball in by accident or luck and win, 3c or straight rail either no quick easy win or loss
 
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I get ya now. I guess I agree with you. I don't play much eight ball anymore, usually when playing in more social environments.
 
Skippy27 said:
Yes you should as there are enough egotistical asshats that frequent this forum.
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fd_colorado said:
Thanks for starting my day with a good belly-laugh!!!

Never heard of that move before...except in mini golf :grin:
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Lol! We did this when I was first learning to play. I thought it was proper rules when I was 15 and just picked up a cue. No idea where it came from

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The best part is when the rules change mid-game depending on who's winning.

Barbanger Joe can hit off the rail or scratch on the break, but PoolPlayer Bill can't. Barbanger Joe can do all sorts of sharky things around the table, but PoolPlayer Bill gets stuff thrown at him and asked to "step outside" when happens to cough during a Barbanger's shot.

Begs the question - what the hell is wrong with this game? I know of no other game where there's zero sportsmanship like this. It's not ok to throw the Monopoly board in the air and cry like a little baby because you didn't land on Park Place...but all the junk that goes on with pool is somehow acceptable. Never made any sense to me.
 
If the cue ball comes to rest on any rail, the incoming shooter gets to move it off the rail, approx the width of the butt of the cue. That's one that was a head scratcher to me.

Number 2 in my book, and in more ways than one, a Number 2 Rule, was, if the incoming shooter couldn't see at least 50% of his object ball, he didn't have to attempt to shoot it.
He could just play the cue ball anywhere on the table. So, this was in a tournament, where new rules seemed to pop up frequently to suit the shooters purposes.
The shooter would end up placing the cue ball somewhere that made the next shooters shot the most difficult. So, there went the No Hooking Rule out the Window.

This was an extension of the No Hooking Rule, specially for the 8 Ball. And then went further. The player who made his last object ball had to see at least 50% of the 8 ball.

I told my opponent one game, you hooked yourself on the 8, not me, so you have to attempt to hit it. Miss or hit one of mine, Game Over. No Way.

What the Monthly Bar Tourney ended up being was mostly a bunch of non League Playing people that would make new rules to suit which ever situation they got themselves into.

I pled the case with the couple of staff who ran the monthly tourney, to sit down and go over a few new rules with me that would make the tourney less controversial, but that never happened either.
 
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How do y'all like this one? BIH in the kitchen after a scratch.
Once you remove your hand from the cue ball it may not be repositioned ( in the kitchen ).
 
Cornerman said:
That was the BCA rule up until the 70's.

Freddie <~~~ rules change, mostly for the better
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I didn't know it was a BCA rule...I hadn't heard of that rule until I was playing 8 ball in a bar in North/Eastern part of Va...I've played in other cities of Va., (lot of other states too) but I never heard it since....so I thought it was a local bar room rule....All the other rules mentioned in the post I've ran into.
But I wouldn't play drunks for money....(unless I knew them real well.....even then I was still pretty cautious). I've seen lots of trouble...people stabbed with broken pool cues...hit in the face with glass ashtrays, beer bottles, knifes and the list goes on and on....as i'm sure most bar players have witnessed, or participated in. :-)
 
erhino41 said:
I've learned to treat anything I hear involving pool in a bar as background noise. There was a time that I would interject in certain instances, however the ignorant do not like to be told that they are ignorant, especially when any type of gamble is involved. It is a shames though, the first step towards some short of acceptance is a unified rule set. Bangers like these rules because they can win a game without ever stepping to the table. No victory in my eyes. I certainly would not make the guy pay up, that is a dick move.
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Rules such as 8 on the break is a win and scratching while making the 8 is a loss is logical since very few want to put up more quarters just to retrieve one ball to continue the game but you are entitled to your dick move opinion

As for having a unified rule set you guys need to take this into perspective.

It's a fact that amateur league organizations have standard rules written on paper but those some rules vary from region to region

It's a fact although pro tournaments adopt wsr rules there are some rules that vary in most every pro tournament

In both cases above you still have players disagree on rules even though the rules are posted in black and white

Now taking that into consideration how do you expect bars scattered across this great nation of ours with no affiliation with any type of organization to come up with a written set of standard rules ?

I practically lived in bars every weekend in Florida from Jacksonville to west palm beach during the 70's and 80's. The rules were always the same in every bar with the exception of 2 that you would encounter sometimes in the southern part. They were bank the 8 and Las pocket 8 which was due to the latin influence as they mostly played these 2 games and Americans adopted them sometimes to mostly prolong the game getting their moneys worth so to speak.

It Ws not until the mid 80's that I started encountering varying rules which most of you have mentioned on here. Rules such as calling the tip of the pocket and failure to hit the 8 I started encounter in more frequently when we started having a large migration of northerners in the state.

As some of you have alluded to...i thought some of those rules were bat shit crazy.
 
i just think its bs that you have to go to the kitchen after the guy your playing makes a mistake and scratches, I have to pay for your f-up?

no way, im gonna make you pay for it
 
beneath_the_sur said:
i just think its bs that you have to go to the kitchen after the guy your playing makes a mistake and scratches, I have to pay for your f-up?

no way, im gonna make you pay for it
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I can see your point. If you get all bent out of shape over that though I can just picture your face getting red and steam coming outa your ears when some one just drills the cue ball into a pocket on purpose she you are on the 8 and its in the kitchen..

Bar rule players version of a safety.::grin-square:
 
lorider said:
I can see your point. If you get all bent out of shape over that though I can just picture your face getting red and steam coming outa your ears when some one just drills the cue ball into a pocket on purpose she you are on the 8 and its in the kitchen..

Bar rule players version of a safety.::grin-square:
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luckly, i dont play on bar tables or at bars,
i know a few players though,

id rather shoot straight pool alone, or not shoot ANY pool than to get into it with one of them on the kitty kat tables with hair on the cloth all manner of stains, and pot holed cratered stone finish qballs,
 
I love the bangers who say "well this is how the pros play"
I like the puzzled look on their face when you ask which pro told them that?
 
cant even name a pro. or a legend



at slick willies one asks me, is that mosconi, the picture on the wall, with the name slick willie slapped right on there with a bearded fellow
 
beneath_the_sur said:
luckly, i dont play on bar tables or at bars,
i know a few players though,

id rather shoot straight pool alone, or not shoot ANY pool than to get into it with one of them on the kitty kat tables with hair on the cloth all manner of stains, and pot holed cratered stone finish qballs,
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Luckily I just enjoy playing pool. It don't matter if its In A bar with loud music playing...crappy tables and balls and both of us talking chit after every efren type shot we make or whether its In A silent pool hall with pristine equipment and my opponent never says a word the entire match. I just enjoy pool.

Not tok long after I joined this forum and reading a bunch of threads on here I started to get like some of you.i started to hate places with terrible cloth and grimy balls.
Started to blaming bad rolls due to warped tables for my losses.

Then i started to doi g some soul searching and realized the blame laid entirely on me. And that my opponent faced the same problems as me.

I came to accept that not every venue was not gonna make sure they had new cloth and clean balls every time I walked in just because that is what I preferred. I accepted the fact that every opponent was not going to be a gentleman and sit quietly I. His seat when I was shooting and call every foul on himself when they occurred.i accepted this is not a perfect world and you are not going to have perfect conditions or opponents when you play pool

Since I started playing in several travel leagues I play o. Gold crowns...diamond bar boxes ....great shape valleys and shitty valleys. I started learning the nuances of each and adapted accordingly. I have encountered great sportsmen and complete assholes.

I learned to pls the table and not my opponent. I learned to not only accept responsibility for my wins but my losses also.

After that pool became more enjoyable and it don't matter who..what....or where I play I am just having fun playing pool.
 
to each their own ;)

as i said, im at peace hitting them ALONE at home or abroad, i dont need to play against someone to have fun
i dont gamble, no desire to

i just have the desire to learn and improve

not do the same thing over for eternity expecting different results
 
Lose for a scratch on the break because its a bar table? We all know you have to pay more quarters to get the cue ball back out after someone pots it.
I guess if I played where a scratch on the break was an automatic loss that one could just soft break, I doubt the bangers know about 4 balls hitting the rail or an object ball dropping to be a legal break. Besides, it would be interesting to watch them work a big packs of tied up balls. :mad::mad:
 
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