Bar Table Champions

[barboxkiller]

In my usual lurking ways, I've noticed that many posters on here don't appreciate bar table play nearly as much as they do as big box play. Let me tell you, 9-ball on the bar table can be type of jokish at times, but there are some undercover monsters out there that not just can, but do play better than most top tier pros on the little track. I don't want to start a woof-fest about betting an imaginary $10,000 that has no substance to the claim, and I definately don't want anyone outed. There definately has to be some knowledge by more experienced players with what I'm talking about here. I've lived in a few states in my 22 years on Earth, and I've been lucky enough to gain very critical information regarding wolrd class bar table play. I don't play world class, but let me tell you, there are so many more moves for jam-up runouts and lockdown safeties than what 90% of the pool world realizes. To get slightly off topic in my own thread, I have met, befriended, and sometimes ran around with absolutely stone cold bar table killers who I won't out, but their knowledge and insight into small table theory is seriously astounding. Many of the moves are so complex and ingenious that one pocket players don't see them so easily. Now I know that most of the moves are used on the stall when the out seems too difficult for stall play, but if you ever study or are lucky enough to run around with any of these small track killers, count yourself lucky, because what you can learn is invaluable. Believe me, the big track champions don't always have to be the favorite when playing a world-class bar tabler.

 

[macneilb]

I agree, and my vote goes to Junior.

i agree w/ you 100% on that there are some stone cold killers on the barbox out there that would and could give weight to some of the top pros out there today. Weldon Rogers was one of those people, I've only seen videos of him play but the way he went about picking apart things was just unreal - I would dare say unbeatable on the box (or as close to "unbeatable" as one could get )

 

[Cornerman]

In my usual lurking ways, I've noticed that many posters on here don't appreciate bar table play nearly as much as they do as big box play. Let me tell you, 9-ball on the bar table can be type of jokish at times, but there are some undercover monsters out there that not just can, but do play better than most top tier pros on the little track. I don't want to start a woof-fest about betting an imaginary $10,000 that has no substance to the claim, and I definately don't want anyone outed. There definately has to be some knowledge by more experienced players with what I'm talking about here. I've lived in a few states in my 22 years on Earth, and I've been lucky enough to gain very critical information regarding wolrd class bar table play. I don't play world class, but let me tell you, there are so many more moves for jam-up runouts and lockdown safeties than what 90% of the pool world realizes. To get slightly off topic in my own thread, I have met, befriended, and sometimes ran around with absolutely stone cold bar table killers who I won't out, but their knowledge and insight into small table theory is seriously astounding. Many of the moves are so complex and ingenious that one pocket players don't see them so easily. Now I know that most of the moves are used on the stall when the out seems too difficult for stall play, but if you ever study or are lucky enough to run around with any of these small track killers, count yourself lucky, because what you can learn is invaluable. Believe me, the big track champions don't always have to be the favorite when playing a world-class bar tabler.

Good post, but it comes about 10 years late. With the streaming videos of bar box tournaments and challenge matches we've had over the past several years (and just the past few months with TAR and others), anyone who doesn't realize what high powered bar box action hasn't been paying much attention. I would hope most people on these boards have been paying attention.

Consider that last year's Bar Box Ring Game on TAR was won by Mike Banks Jr., while this year was won by Justin Bergman in fields that included Shane Van Boening, Gabe Owens, Scott Frost, Tony Chohan, etc., etc.

Fred

 

[donny mills]

In my usual lurking ways, I've noticed that many posters on here don't appreciate bar table play nearly as much as they do as big box play. Let me tell you, 9-ball on the bar table can be type of jokish at times, but there are some undercover monsters out there that not just can, but do play better than most top tier pros on the little track. I don't want to start a woof-fest about betting an imaginary $10,000 that has no substance to the claim, and I definately don't want anyone outed. There definately has to be some knowledge by more experienced players with what I'm talking about here. I've lived in a few states in my 22 years on Earth, and I've been lucky enough to gain very critical information regarding wolrd class bar table play. I don't play world class, but let me tell you, there are so many more moves for jam-up runouts and lockdown safeties than what 90% of the pool world realizes. To get slightly off topic in my own thread, I have met, befriended, and sometimes ran around with absolutely stone cold bar table killers who I won't out, but their knowledge and insight into small table theory is seriously astounding. Many of the moves are so complex and ingenious that one pocket players don't see them so easily. Now I know that most of the moves are used on the stall when the out seems too difficult for stall play, but if you ever study or are lucky enough to run around with any of these small track killers, count yourself lucky, because what you can learn is invaluable. Believe me, the big track champions don't always have to be the favorite when playing a world-class bar tabler.

This sounds so retarded that I can't read it again.

 

[muttley76]

While I agree that there isn't really anymore great "unknowns", the retarded comment is a bit much. Having said that, with the pool grapevine in full effect, and the internet, all of these barbox players are fairly well known, at least by guys who play for a living.

 

[macneilb]

This sounds so retarded that I can't read it again.

your post is a waste of space. if you don't like what the original poster wrote, that's fine...but unless you're actually offended by it, keep it to yourself.

 

[donny mills]

This post read that there are undercover monsters that will beat the top pros. Lol!!!!!!! That is retarded.

 

[barboxkiller]

Believe it or not, there are a few unknown champions left, Donny. And some of them can have a little the best of it against a top pro on the bar table. Maybe I just need to sneak down to Florida with one, seeing as how that is the only place where some people can play because they refuse to gamble in other states. Some just might even call it a little scurred...

 

[john schmidt]

hi

yeah theres guys who have the best of it against pga tour players and nobody heard of them.lol

the reason people look like champions on bartable is because its much easier to play what looks like perfect pool on a tiny table with big pockets.

ill tell you what ill play these so called unknown champions on a bartable and then we can play on a bigtable until someone wins both sets.

oh by the way i know alot of golfers who can shoot 62 from the 6000 yard tees in golf including me.
but these same people including me couldnt make a cut in 50 tries in a pga tour event.

 

[J. Learned Hand]

yeah theres guys who have the best of it against pga tour players and nobody heard of them.lol

the reason people look like champions on bartable is because its much easier to play what looks like perfect pool on a tiny table with big pockets.

ill tell you what ill play these so called unknown champions on a bartable and then we can play on a bigtable until someone wins both sets.

oh by the way i know alot of golfers who can shoot 62 from the 6000 yard tees in golf including me.
but these same people including me couldnt make a cut in 50 tries in a pga tour event.

I think Mr. Schmidt has hit the nail right on the head here. Just the other day I went to a good sized bar table tourney with a $40 entry fee and a first prize around $1300. With the exception of a few players, the field was full of suckers. That is, people who I could give the at least the wild 7and 8 to on the big table.

My first round match, I win 7-1. My opponent shoots once at an open rack and only three times overall. Round 2, I lose shooting twice, missing one ball, 7-3. On the loser's side, I lose 7-2 and shoot only once. My opponent opened the set with a 3, broke dry, I ran 2, then I broke dry, then he runs the set out. The whole tourney was a complete crap shoot!

The above scenario by no means suggests that I play well. It means bar boxes are DEAD EASY to run out on. In every match I played, my opponent slammed at a kick or a tough shot only to be rewarded with lucky shape or a slop in.

In the end, I submit that there are probably many unknown players capable of running out sets on the little track. However, this is not because they are great players. It's because it can be done by anyone who can play a little. Mr. Schmidt (and all of his fellow top tier pro's) would rob these guys eventually. He knows this, they know this...heck deep down inside we all know this.

 

[john schmidt]

hi

I think Mr. Schmidt has hit the nail right on the head here. Just the other day I went to a good sized bar table tourney with a $40 entry fee and a first prize around $1300. With the exception of a few players, the field was full of suckers. That is, people who I could give the at least the wild 7and 8 to on the big table.

My first round match, I win 7-1. My opponent shoots once at an open rack and only three times overall. Round 2, I lose shooting twice, missing one ball, 7-3. On the loser's side, I lose 7-2 and shoot only once. My opponent opened the set with a 3, broke dry, I ran 2, then I broke dry, then he runs the set out. The whole tourney was a complete crap shoot!

The above scenario by no means suggests that I play well. It means bar boxes are DEAD EASY to run out on. In every match I played, my opponent slammed at a kick or a tough shot only to be rewarded with lucky shape or a slop in.

In the end, I submit that there are probably many unknown players capable of running out sets on the little track. However, this is not because they are great players. It's because it can be done by anyone who can play a little. Mr. Schmidt (and all of his fellow top tier pro's) would rob these guys eventually. He knows this, they know this...heck deep down inside we all know this.

dont get me wrong the guys that play perfect on the barbox are great on the bigtable too.

i just laugh though when people talk like guys like me have no clue how to play on a bartable .its not rocket science its a joke.

guys like bowman and kirkwood who are thought of as bartable champions are great players period.
i consider them champions on any table .


one time i played paul turner on a bartable.

i had not been on a bartable in years .

i beat him 18 ahead in about 3 hours.

afterwords someone said that was paul turner you beat.hes mr bartable.

it didnt matter who i was playing getting out was a joke it was like playing checkers compared to chess.

by the way if you make a golf hole a foot wide i putt good.

also if you make a basketball rim 5 feet wide and 6 feet off the ground i look like i could play michael jordan.

think about it bar tables are ridiculous .

 

[masonh]

oh by the way i know alot of golfers who can shoot 62 from the 6000 yard tees in golf including me.

you got action in Tennessee anytime you want.i will take you to a public 6000yrd or under course and you can shoot at 62 for whatever you want to bet.

 

[Neil]

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[jay helfert]

I've seen some bar tables that are not so soft. Diamonds come to mind first.
9-Ball is a 'joke' for top players on an easy bar box. In fact, usually when good players match up on a small table they are playing Ten Ball. That makes a little more sense. I prefer Eight Ball on a bar table. The run outs can be tricky and there are many moves that can be made. The table is congested and position can be very tough to achieve. I have a lot of admiration for the guys who win the Master's division at the major "amateur" championships. These guys are "Players"!

As far as undercover players who can beat the top pros. Very Doubtful. There are some pretty good players out there who are not well known, but would I put them up against a top pro. No way! Not that it hasn't happened. No one knew who Cannela was when he beat everybody he played on the bar box. And when Parica first came over here, he robbed a who's who of champions, although that was big table pool. Even Morro snuck up on a lot of good players before he got outed 20 years ago. More recently Mike Dechaine and Justin Bergman stayed undercover for a while, but that didn't last long. Amar Kang and Tony Chohan had a pretty good run for a couple of years. And Steve Knight from England won a ton of money before he retired to poker. It's a very short life span to try to go undercover today. Maybe a year or two at best.

 

[muttley76]

dont get me wrong the guys that play perfect on the barbox are great on the bigtable too.

i just laugh though when people talk like guys like me have no clue how to play on a bartable .its not rocket science its a joke.

guys like bowman and kirkwood who are thought of as bartable champions are great players period.
i consider them champions on any table .


one time i played paul turner on a bartable.

i had not been on a bartable in years .

i beat him 18 ahead in about 3 hours.

afterwords someone said that was paul turner you beat.hes mr bartable.

it didnt matter who i was playing getting out was a joke it was like playing checkers compared to chess.

by the way if you make a golf hole a foot wide i putt good.

also if you make a basketball rim 5 feet wide and 6 feet off the ground i look like i could play michael jordan.

think about it bar tables are ridiculous .

Hope you don't mind if I steal the line about making the cup a foot wide for my sig line. That is one of the better analogies I have heard for the little box.

 

[TWOFORPOOL]

In 9 Ball whoever is breaking the best on a bar box will generally win. On a 9 footer you still have to play very good to get out.

In 8 Ball there are alot of moves on a bar box. I have seen two players in the Pacific Northwest get out from almost everwhere on a bar box playing 8 Ball. These two players (consider pros in my book) would give the top teer players fits. Strategy is alot tougher on a Bar Box playing 8 Ball since there are more clusters.

 

[muttley76]

I have always thought that the only truly tough thing about barboxes is to be mentally strong enough to consistently sit through your opponent running 4 and 5 packs, and still be able to get up and put together packages of your own.

 

[real bartram]

bar table

Believe it or not, there are a few unknown champions left, Donny. And some of them can have a little the best of it against a top pro on the bar table. Maybe I just need to sneak down to Florida with one, seeing as how that is the only place where some people can play because they refuse to gamble in other states. Some just might even call it a little scurred...

good luck take an unknown player to beat donny if he will not bet what you want pm. me ill bet the rest any unknown player playing donny on bar table big table or on the floor this post was dumb . ill also play the unknown player and give you 25 perc of your money back.

 

[Derek]

Barbox = great equalizer.

I would rather gather up all barboxes and have a massive explosion demolition of them. I'm not a great player by no means and I have lost more than my fair share of matches to not-so-great players on a barbox (basically handicapped league matches).

That being said, barboxes do cater to a lot of people who like to play pool but are too intimidated by big tables. Having a lot of people playing pool is a good thing and sponsors and pros should educate the masses more of what pool is really like on a full size table.

 

[muttley76]

good luck take an unknown player to beat donny if he will not bet what you want pm. me ill bet the rest any unknown player playing donny on bar table big table or on the floor this post was dumb . ill also play the unknown player and give you 25 perc of your money back.

Does this mean I can play you a set for 30 to 40 next time I see you? Would be cheaper than lessons