Barbox 8-ball
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Timberly
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Again, the thread was about playing on a barbox not about jumping skills or lack thereof. If you want to advertise and sell your cues, take it to the wanted/for sale forum. Good luck finding a buyer on here... you're quite full of yourself and most people don't take kindly to pompus people that act as if they're better than everyone else.Varney Cues said:
I don't see anyone "getting pissed". I see people calling you out for your BS and slightly annoyed by your superior attitude.
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i seem to make alot more balls on break on 9 ft . usually 3 to 4, about 60% of the time, 9 ball.
about 2 or 3 in 8 ball.
now on a 7 footer , it is random, maybe 1 or 2 if any... why is this ?
oh,, varney . where in n.carolina are you ?
carl
i seem to make alot more balls on break on 9 ft . usually 3 to 4, about 60% of the time, 9 ball.
about 2 or 3 in 8 ball.
now on a 7 footer , it is random, maybe 1 or 2 if any... why is this ?
oh,, varney . where in n.carolina are you ?
carl
If I would have to guess, I would say that I average about .75 balls per break on the slow nap cloth and I work on my break quite a bit. If you are playing on simonis or tour edition your balls per break will go up some I suppose. I wish I had two tables, both a 9' and a 7'. Then I could work on my stroke/accuracy on the 9' and my position play on the 7'. A friend of mine actually has both table sizes but the guy just doesn't like to practice. 
This bugs me because I know he could be a much better player if he just would practice more.
This bugs me because I know he could be a much better player if he just would practice more.
Varney Cues said:
You and I must live in a different world.
How about a video of your break. Maybe we all could learn something.
I just attended a clinic with Nick Varner. We were on bar tables, and they are in EXCELLENT condition. We ended up just playing for a couple of hours, and we let Nick break every time. And he was breaking harder than anyone that's ever stepped into that bar, easily over 26 mph. He made a couple on the break a couple of times. And he failed to make a ball on the break about half the time. That's normal, and that's reality.
I've made 7 balls on the break a couple of times. I still don't make 4-5 balls "often," nor do I make a single ball on the break more than half the time. And I'll easily go stretches of 3 or 4 racks without making a ball. I think most knowledgeable people understand why this happens in 8-ball. It's certainly not about hitting them hard.
I'd be interested to know what the percentages were at the IPT Orlando, the Windy City 8-ball, the 2005 BCA Grand Masters 8-ball, and the recent Allen Hopkins pro 8-ball tournament. And, I'd like to know how many balls anyone made.
Fred
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onepocketchump
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Varney Cues said:
You have the 7/8 playing Kelly Fisher and she breaks them like a girl. As a matter of fact, I won't even let her use a specialty break cue when she plays you. I'll tell you what Kevin. You have the breaks and the 7/8. Now how can you lose with that spot?
You break "like a man", you make the most awesomenest break cues on Earth, you can jump anything, you ought to have the DEAD NUTS. Care to post the cash and play Kelly when she returns from San Diego?
I will be more than happy to have a jump contest with you today. I am bored and need some easy action. $500 on me and my off the rack Fury against you and your spectacular, revolutionary Varney jump king.
Results posted here - the loser quits the board for a month.
John Barton
P.S. For those that don't know - Kevin Varney lives here in Charlotte as do I and Kelly FIsher. Kevin does very good tip work and his cues are nice. His claims of performance are a bit overrated though and he won't ever do a side by side to verify them. So take them with a grain of salt, just as with all the other sellers of "wonder" cues who come on here to claim they are the best.
Anyone who claims to be the best can just send their product to Fred Agnir for a well reasoned and unbiased test. I nominate Fred to be the official product tester (he gets to keep the samples). Up for it Fred?
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onepocketchump
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Timberly said:I've played on them quite a bit since there really isn't anything else in the area. I played on a tap league for 2 or 3 seasons and then we switched to a scotch doubles league. My team consisted of 5 guys and 2 girls....
I've got a pretty decent break "for a girl"
Yeah, "for a girl" you have a pretty decent game all around.
Quit trying to sneak up on people....My ex-wife Jayne, had a damn good break as well, she used to have her Master Player friends asking her to break for them and she always got to break when they played scotch doubles.
I have come to believe that the break is more a question of timing and accuracy than how hard you hit the balls. Cheyenne Pete Trujillo looks as if he barely hits the rack when he breaks and yet the balls always spread well and he usually makes a ball or two and runs out. Those that know him will back this up.
I spent 15 minutes on the Break Rak in Valley Forge and immediately learned something that has helped my break more than anything else in the last 20 years of other instruction. I was not focusing on the cueball and hitting it higher than I thought I was. After fifteen minutes with the immediate feedback provided I was able to improve my cueball control and hit the head ball squarely every time.
The result is that my break is at least a ball to two balls better than before. Has ZERO to do with any break cue or special tip and everything to do with timing and technique. I have always been skeptical of the "magical" breaking properties of phenolic tipped break cues. I think that there are too many variables to the break to be able to claim that a particular cue produces a better break every time.
With a jump cue the results are obvious and repeatable over a wide range of conditions. In other words, change the conditions and the cue works the same. Not true for break cues. Perhaps a dedicated, hard-tipped break cue in the hands of someone with good timing and technique is an awesome combination, but I wouldn't say that it is so much more awesome than just a good cue coupled with good timing and technique. (and I sell nice Break/Jump cues-shameless plug)
Gonna miss you in Vegas Timberly. :-( We'll be DCC buds again.
John
In Orlando, breakers were getting about 40% to 60% ball of their breaks, from some of the data I collected. So I guess the better breakers were around 60%, but like if you toss 50 coins, someone's gonna toss 70% heads sometimes.Cornerman said:
As for multiple balls on a break, I'm only guessing, but I figure less than 40% of the times one ball is made, more balls go in.
I have seen generous tables where making 2 or 3 off the snap happens often, and other tables where you can spread the balls real well and end up dry 8 times straight. And then some girl will get on the table with a roll through 12mph break and make one
Would be good to know more detailed breaking stats, that's for sure.
APA7 said:
Well obviously playing 9-ball on a 9 ft. table, I am an "E"! (Worse than a "D"). It is like I am a day one beginner again. I don't "see" the cut shots. I think I use the short rail as a gauge for aiming or something? My cut shots are not "automatic" like they are on a 7 ft. table. (On a 7 ft. table I would say C player with elements of B though.)
To give the whole picture... I did win 4 games of 8-ball on a 7 ft. table against an "A" player yesterday practicing. And I won 1st place in an easier local 8-ball tournament [7 ft.] a couple of weeks ago, then 3rd a week ago. BUT I found a very tough 8-ball tournament with very good players and I went two and out in that tournament. So depending on the table I am used to and the competition, I can do well or do lousy. (I'm having a lot of fun lately playing the better players, but of course I am losing a lot of games. Really helping me though.)
Secaucus Fats
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Cornerman said:
This got me to thinking,,what if a group of us kept track of breaks and results of same? We could limit participation in the survey to amateur members so as not to skew the results and avoid controversy. The participants would be grouped by say..league skill level, with the results tracked on a spread sheet (Excel). Perhaps someone would be kind enough to host the data.
Anyway what say ye readers?
BTW, I too would love to see the pertinent data on the pros.
Secaucus Fats said:
Well for a bar box game of 8-ball break, what is a good break?
To me it does not matter how many balls I make on the break. I am happy with just one ball. And playing BCA rules, the group does not matter since it is open after the break.
What does matter to me the most is that I make at least one ball, all the balls are spread out, no clusters, and cue ball is left in central area of table leaving me with a choice of shots. That I have the option to shoot the best group.
What is bad to me is not making a ball. Or making a ball, and not having a shot - or the only shot being the worst group. Or no ball made, one group has impossible clusters, and opponent has shot at the other group.
I really like it when I can break and one group is blocking the 8, and I can then make a shot on that group and then take my sweet time. Shoot in the blocking balls last.
dogginda9 said:...I think my record is something like 8 or 9 in a row without making a ball on the break. I hope you and your buddies don't accidentally chew your whole face off hearing that statistic !!!!!!
For getting the most out of this forum, I feel it is best to be honest about your shooting. (And of course ask for tips on improving.)
Most people here are quite helpful. The tips I have received have helped my game quite a bit. I think most people are here to improve their playing.
BTW: I have gone all night playing not making one ball. Note that I am doing a lot of breaking though!
Secaucus Fats
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Billy_Bob said:
I agree with you completely. Sure it's impressive to make a lot of balls on the break, but making just one and not winding up snookered is the prime objective.
The absolute worst thing for me is when I'm playing and I don't pocket anything and leave a wide open table for my opponent to run. When that happens.. I may appear calm and collected, but in my mind I am committing Sepukko with my cue, while simultaneously jumping out the window into traffic screaming like a primal ape.
Secaucus Fats said:...The absolute worst thing for me is when I'm playing and I don't pocket anything and leave a wide open table for my opponent to run. When that happens.. I may appear calm and collected, but in my mind I am committing Sepukko with my cue, while simultaneously jumping out the window into traffic screaming like a primal ape.
Yes that is the worst! Especially when I am playing the very good players I have been lately. I am a done cookie. With some of these players, the lag or coin flip determines who will win.
Billy_Bob said:
That's the point behind the ratings chart, it's based on a 9 foot table. Every body's game gets better on a barbox. If UR a C player on the barbox than UR weak A players are Pros. By the way, how do U know the player U were playing was an "A"?
Brian
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APA7 said:
I don't agree with that. Bar tables are usually not the best maintained things around. Even when they are, the materials used are most often of a lesser quality. The rolloff can be major at times, the cloth is usually a nappy thing, and do we need to talk about magnetic cue balls.