BCA Hall of Fame discussion

Who do you think?

  • David Howard

    Votes: 6 16.2%
  • Jimmy Mataya

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Jimmy Reid

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • Keith MCcready

    Votes: 8 21.6%
  • Jack Breit

    Votes: 4 10.8%
  • Mieko Harada

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • John Fitzpatrick

    Votes: 1 2.7%
  • CJ Wiley

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • Grady Mathews

    Votes: 12 32.4%
  • Wade Crane

    Votes: 1 2.7%

  • Total voters
    37
I've been extensively looking through the National Billiard News archives, these players have caught my eye for being some notable great players. Are these players worthy of the recognition or not? Any other past players I have not listed?
I know you’ve closed your poll, and we can see the difficulty of having to vote on the Hall of Fame.

I know I mentioned CJ, but that was to a specific question in short term dominance. The Veteran category is only for 60 yrs old and up. CJ will have to wait til the next cycle.

The one name I dont see up there that hasnt been mentioned (and maybe there are others that i’ll get reminded of) is Allen Gilbert, who had been on the Veterans ballot for the last couple of iterations.
 
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I know you’ve closed your poll, and we can see the difficulty of having to vote on the Hall of Fame.

I know I mentioned CJ, but that was to a specific question in short term dominance. The Veteran category is only for 60 yrs old and up. CJ will have to wait til the next cycle.

The one name I dont see up there that hasnt been mentioned (and maybe there are others that i’ll get reminded of) is Allen Gilbert, who had been on the Veterans ballot for the last couple of iterations.
Yes very difficult! Allen Gilbert would be a good consideration, many titles and played for a long time.
Here's the National champions-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite...tion#USBA_National_Three-Cushion_Championship
 
Seems like Pedro Piedrabuena would be a clearer selection today and when he reaches 60. And he’s won internationally. I don’t have a clue about him.
Me neither, but he is close to equalling Sang Lee's record of 12 USBA National Three-Cushion Championship titles.
 
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Interesting thread. Well, I guess as Keith McCready's other half, I will weigh in on this poll and the subject matter at hand.

First, Keith and I both are so very grateful to Steve Booth for having a category that fit Keith to a tee in the One Pocket Hall of Fame, which is the Lifetime of Pool in Action award. If anybody is deserving of this category, it is Keith McCready.

Keith has never been a tournament soldier as are most, if not all, of the other BCA Hall of Fame pool players. The tournament venues for Keith most times were a gathering place. He was more in tune with the after-hours activities than the tournament itself. That was his bailiwick. When he was competing in a tournament, he was known for comedically interacting with the audience during his matches. The more involved the audience was, the better Keith would play. But make no mistake about it, no one in the tournament wanted to draw Keith's name on the charts because one didn't know which Keith would show up for the match, the Keith that wants to entertain the railbirds with his gift of gab and could run six-packs or the Keith who had been up all night gambling and had no sleep.

There are two kinds of pool people in our pool world, the pool purists and the action enthusiasts. Keith's style of play does not fall into the category of pool purists, which I think the majority of BCA Hall of Fame contenders do fall into. Keith was not liked by pool purists because of his antics and his lifestyle, which has been compared to poker star Stu Unger, yet when there was a big tournament, even the pool players themselves would come to watch Keith compete because he was fun to watch. At the 2003 U.S. Open, Efren Reyes and Francisco Bustamante's match on the live stream table had to stop because everyone in the audience was watching Keith v. Alex Pagulayan on a side table, even Efren and Bustie. Nobody knows what's going to fly out of his mouth, which makes him entertaining. Unlike Stu Unger, Keith survived his early years, thank goodness, and I know he would not be alive today if we had not met.

One of Keith's largest contributions to pool, as most know, was his role as Grady Seasons in "The Color of Money." To this day, even in 2023, he still gets asked to repeat his famous line, "It's like a nightmare, isn't it?" It was the perfect role for a pool player of Keith's ilk to play, and he did it to a tee, even ad-libbing a few lines which were kept in the movie by Martin Scorsese.

I could add a lot more to The Keith McCready Story, but I'll end it here to say Keith most definitely contributed to the legacy American pool in its golden years. His legacy is more akin to the style of Minnesota Fats. Today is a new era in pool, of course, and we'll see where Matchroom, Predator, and CSI take it. It won't be robotic tournament soldiers playing mum pool, and it won't be the road warriors and action players. I do look forward to see where it goes and hope I'm still alive to watch it grow.

If you all have read my post up to this point, I'd like to nominate Jeremy Jones to the list. He's, I think, 51 years old today. I'm not sure what the BCA Hall of Fame qualifications are, but if age is not a requirement, Jeremy would be a great candidate for consideration to the BCA's Hall of Fame.

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Very, very well stated and illustrates the dichotomy in the contributions to our genre.
Another Allstar player falling into this situation is Don Willis,
a gentleman I knew for years when I lived in Canton, Ohio.…..
one of the world’s best for years, but likely never to even be a candidate.

Will Prout
 
Me neither, but he is close to equalling if not surpassing Sang Lee's record.
Two different levels of play. Pedro Piedrabuena was always a rock-solid player and typically played to a 1.3 or 1.4 grand average. He was typically ranked about 10-15th in the world at his best. Sang Lee had a grand average closer to 1.7 and was a world three cushion champion.

Both Pedro and Sang played out of New York City for years and I was lucky to get to see them up close on many occasions.
 
Tom Jennings won the US Open 14.1 back to back in the late 70’s. Did he seem dominant in those two years.? He slipped off the radar long before I followed pool. Every US Open 14.1 winner up until 2000 is in the HoF except for Jennings.
Tom Jennings, as you suggest, is a special case, but his two titles were viewed as "tainted" by many.

The reason is that these two titles occurred during the rift between the pro tour and the upstart PPPA tour, which debuted in 1976. The PPPA players boycotted the US Open 14.1 during the rift years. Among the founding members of the PPPA were Steve Mizerak, Mike Sigel, Irving Crane, Pete Margo, Allen Hopkins, Ray Martin, Pat Fleming, and Jim Rempe, as well as some other greats.

Hence, the fields were greatly watered down at the 1976 and 1977 US Open 14.1 events. Jennings was a nice player, but would not likely have been a threat to win the title at the 1976 or 1977 PPPA World Championship.

PS Jennings was a college math professor in New Jersey. Mizerak was a grade school English teacher in New Jersey. The running joke back then was that one should beware of gambling at pool with New Jersey educators.
 
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Two different levels of play. Pedro Piedrabuena was always a rock-solid player and typically played to a 1.3 or 1.4 grand average. He was typically ranked about 10-15th in the world at his best. Sang Lee had a grand average closer to 1.7 and was a world three cushion champion.

Both Pedro and Sang played out of New York City for years and I was lucky to get to see them up close on many occasions.
Good point, Sang Lee's average was almost about world championship level if not above average some years, during his prime, while he was playing nationally in America, hence why he was undefeated for over a decade.
 
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The current requirement is 15 years. How to verify that is the challenge.
I was wrong and right about this. The USBMA and the Press Releases in the recent past say 10 years. The BCA site says 20 years. Wiki says 15.

So right now, it’s 10 years, in addition to being 41 in the voting year and having significant titles. In the future, the consideration is to look at specific championships weighing more than other championships with some kind of metrics in order to justify nomination. If we get to that point, that means the direction that professional pool has been going has definitely been a success.
 
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