BCAPL: The Official Final Phenolic Tip Ruling

realkingcobra said:
I fail to understand the "cry" over the banning of phenolic tips on break cues, as players don't break any harder today than in all the years I've been playing pool. If a player thinks having a phenolic tip on their break cue give them some kind of advantage on winning a game from the break, then ALL players would be running out after the break...and they're NOT! The only difference between a phenolic tip and a leather tip is the mushrooming effect some leather tips have from breaking with them so often....so what! Geez people....play pool, it's the game you REALLY play AFTER the break!

Glen

PS. If I had MY way, I'd ban all jump cues as well, and if you make a jump shot...it would have to be with the cue you shot with LAST!
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Wonder how the People at Tiger Products, a big support of BCAPL, feel have their Ice Breaker Brwak/Jump Cues, and Ice Breaker TIPS BANNED?:confused:
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
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Wonder how the People at Tiger Products, a big support of BCAPL, feel have their Ice Breaker Brwak/Jump Cues, and Ice Breaker TIPS BANNED?:confused:
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Why don't you call them and ask them? The tips can still be used on jump cues.

BVal
 
Recently, one of the top players in the world brought me his break cue to have me replace the phenolic tip with a hard leather tip. Before doing so, I asked him if he liked using a little english on the break shot, and was that his reason for getting away from the phenolic tip? He answered "Yes,"...I changed the tip.

Now here was a world-class player who was willing to sacrifice maybe a little bit of speed in order to gain a little more control. It didn't bother him in the least to make a change when he thought it was best for his game.

After an absence of several years from the BCAPL tournament in Vegas, I have joined a team that will be going back there next year. I currently have a phenolic tip on my break cue, but I will soon be changing it out to a leather tip so that I will be in compliance with the BCAPL's new rule. They have every right to institute the rules for their league, and it's no big deal with me. :thumbup:

Roger
 
XxMerlinxX said:
So what should they have done instead? What if Aramith simply can't come up with a harder set of cueballs? Phenolic tips gain their hardness from the fact that they're made up of fibers, normally comprised of carbon, which are set in a resin that again adds to the strength of the final product. What if they can't produce a set of balls at that same level of hardness?
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I don't know if they could or couldn't produce harder balls, but I think it a pretty good assumption that harder balls would play differently. Maybe we'd be very displeased with harder balls.
 
Celtic said:
That is just brutal. I cannot believe that people could get together to decide a rule and be so shortsighted that they cannot see how this is going to be something they are going to be dealing with like crazy for the years to come before they finally do what they should have done today and simply banned all tips that are non-leather from pool.

Rest assured, people using 3/4 length jump cues for longer jump shots pounding the cueball into the table with a powerful break stroke are going to cause as much damage to the cueball on those shots, many jumps require almost vertical cues to jump a ball and basic physics of the cueballs motion being impeded from the table imparts more energy from the jump cue then a break shot where the forward motion of the cue ball is not impeded by the table.

If I ever win the lottery things are going to change in this bloody sport and I will show people how it can be done right.
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First of all it only effects BCAPL sanctioned events. Secondly, even if they could magically effect all pool games everywhere, what difference would it make as long as both players were required to use a leather tip. If I can't break as hard as another person with a leather tip, it pretty likely that I can't break as hard as him with a phenolic tip either. Also if I can't break as hard as somebody else, well, he should have an advantage.
The argument that jumps effect the cue ball as much as breaks do is only an argument that phenolic tipped jump cues should be banned as well. I think that would be great as well even though I would probably never jump successfully again.
If I ever win the lottery I'll be satisfied opening a decent room around here without worrying about making money. :smile:
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
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Wonder how the People at Tiger Products, a big support of BCAPL, feel have their Ice Breaker Brwak/Jump Cues, and Ice Breaker TIPS BANNED?:confused:
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So what's next, laser sights for the mental midgets of the game? That's a change isn't it? How about mirror that you can place on the rails so you can see that perfect angle when banking balls...after all, the mirror don't make the shot for you, as you still need to shoot it, but that's a change isn't it? I can just see it now, guy pulls a fold up mirror out of his case, sets it up on the rail to get the perfect reflection of the bank shot...then fires the ball in the pocket...picks up the mirror...just like he would a bridge cue and puts it back, and gets ready for his next shot.

hmmmm....pool has come so far in the last 15 years or so.

Glen
 
filluptieu said:
sucks for all the x breaker owners, not to mention the PB owners as well and BK2s
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Not all BK2's have phenolic tips on them. In fact, quite a few of them were ordered with leather tips already. IMO, the tip is not what makes a good break cue break well.

BVal
 
Just curious... How can you tell the difference between leather and phenolic tips? Are they going to inspect every break cue's tip?
 
Sweet Marissa said:
Just curious... How can you tell the difference between leather and phenolic tips? Are they going to inspect every break cue's tip?
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A while back Bill S stated that all refs will be trained to notice phenolic tips. I would think between the sound and look of them (if they have the ferrule/tip combo) they will be able to tell. I'm sure I'll get asked to look at my cue as I'll be using a phenolic ferrule with a thin leather tip on it (OK per Bill S).
 
Sweet Marissa said:
Just curious... How can you tell the difference between leather and phenolic tips? Are they going to inspect every break cue's tip?
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Just like jump cues have to be a certain length, it is up to the opponent to have it checked if they feel it is an issue.

My question to Holly/Bill is -

You have stated the rule.

What is the penalty for using a phenolic tip?
 
catscradle said:
First of all it only effects BCAPL sanctioned events. Secondly, even if they could magically effect all pool games everywhere, what difference would it make as long as both players were required to use a leather tip. If I can't break as hard as another person with a leather tip, it pretty likely that I can't break as hard as him with a phenolic tip either. Also if I can't break as hard as somebody else, well, he should have an advantage.
The argument that jumps effect the cue ball as much as breaks do is only an argument that phenolic tipped jump cues should be banned as well. I think that would be great as well even though I would probably never jump successfully again.
If I ever win the lottery I'll be satisfied opening a decent room around here without worrying about making money. :smile:
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http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=1876887#post1876887
 
realkingcobra said:
So what's next, laser sights for the mental midgets of the game? That's a change isn't it? How about mirror that you can place on the rails so you can see that perfect angle when banking balls...after all, the mirror don't make the shot for you, as you still need to shoot it, but that's a change isn't it? I can just see it now, guy pulls a fold up mirror out of his case, sets it up on the rail to get the perfect reflection of the bank shot...then fires the ball in the pocket...picks up the mirror...just like he would a bridge cue and puts it back, and gets ready for his next shot.
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Don't doubt for a second that someone is not working out a way to build those as we speak.

http://www.jump-buddy.com/

Exists and was being sold at the BCAPL event at a booth in Vegas this year, the thing made me want to puke.
 
suprnva said:
A while back Bill S stated that all refs will be trained to notice phenolic tips. I would think between the sound and look of them (if they have the ferrule/tip combo) they will be able to tell. I'm sure I'll get asked to look at my cue as I'll be using a phenolic ferrule with a thin leather tip on it (OK per Bill S).
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Seems to me like a solution to a problem, and maybe a way to beat the rule.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Seems to me like a solution to a problem, and maybe a way to beat the rule.
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It's a solution that I'm very please with to be honest. I've always been able to break fairly hard (around 25 mph) and with the new tip/ferrule combo I don't feel that I'm losing any speed but I'm gaining control. Jumping is easy too (except within like 6 inches, which I've never been great at). I don't know if it's a way to "beat" the rule, but Bill S said it was fine as long as the phenolic doesn't connect with the cue ball, and it doesn't.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Seems to me like a solution to a problem, and maybe a way to beat the rule.
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Are you suggesting that people should cheat? Is that how you roll? A man with class and integrity would follow the rules. Let me know where you stand.

Thanks,

BVal
 
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