BCAPL
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Don't sweat it. "Winning" a handicapped event is kinda like drinking a 12 pack of non-alcoholic beer. You end up feeling bloated, but without the benefits.
You are that depressed from reading my story?:smile:
It's hard to do that sort of thing without lots of griping... I can hear it now.
"The rule is about known players but the LO doesn't know them. He can't just go by what other people people say, maybe they've got an agenda and are lying. Maybe the LO has an agenda so he went easy on them (or shafted them). Our team lost points because he called these guys 9's when they're really 7's. The guy who recommended their rankings doesn't know what he's talking about, he's just easily impressed"
..and so on.
If everyone starts at the same level, it's just hard facts and math deciding the outcome rather than someone's opinion, so it covers their asses more to just do things this way. Who knows, maybe in the long run it's more fair. Maybe the guys on your team got their own 'free ride' back when they first signed up.
"The rule is about known players but the LO doesn't know them. He can't just go by what other people people say, maybe they've got an agenda and are lying. Maybe the LO has an agenda so he went easy on them (or shafted them). Our team lost points because he called these guys 9's when they're really 7's. The guy who recommended their rankings doesn't know what he's talking about, he's just easily impressed"
..and so on.
If everyone starts at the same level, it's just hard facts and math deciding the outcome rather than someone's opinion, so it covers their asses more to just do things this way. Who knows, maybe in the long run it's more fair. Maybe the guys on your team got their own 'free ride' back when they first signed up.
I joined a handicapped book club. They have to spot me the first 3 chapters.
LMAO...that's awesome where is their national yearly reading held at and what percentage do they pay out
BCAPL league
Luxury,
All handicap rules and regs are local issues with the BCAPL, because we do not have a handicap system on a national level.
Your league operator has the ability (and the duty) to protect the league itself from bringing in known players at a low rating.
Maybe bring this 'abuse' to their attention.
Remember, the BCAPL is a sanctioning body. At our nationals, we play scratch.
FYI - USAPL, which is a sister league to BCAPL, has a national handicap system.
Mark Griffin
Luxury,
All handicap rules and regs are local issues with the BCAPL, because we do not have a handicap system on a national level.
Your league operator has the ability (and the duty) to protect the league itself from bringing in known players at a low rating.
Maybe bring this 'abuse' to their attention.
Remember, the BCAPL is a sanctioning body. At our nationals, we play scratch.
FYI - USAPL, which is a sister league to BCAPL, has a national handicap system.
Mark Griffin
We had something similar happen. Almost,,,,maybe,,,,,, close??
Our rivals played the same team we just played,,,the next week of the league,,,every week.
So we would beat this team badly,,,and then they had to play them with way lower handicaps and spot them a ton of balls. It was not good for them.
Of course it did not last the whole way through,,but it went on for several weeks this way.
Our rivals played the same team we just played,,,the next week of the league,,,every week.
So we would beat this team badly,,,and then they had to play them with way lower handicaps and spot them a ton of balls. It was not good for them.
Of course it did not last the whole way through,,but it went on for several weeks this way.
It's the nature of the beast when new players are handicapped based on that first one or two weeks performance. You essentially are giving them back whatever you beat them by.
It would probably be better if the results were delayed until each new player has played 4-8 weeks. Then based on that handicap all the previous weeks results are posted. Of course that makes it difficult for the standings to mean anything during those weeks.
It would probably be better if the results were delayed until each new player has played 4-8 weeks. Then based on that handicap all the previous weeks results are posted. Of course that makes it difficult for the standings to mean anything during those weeks.
In our BCA league any new female comes in as a 6...Males come in as 8's...We have on a few occasions had someone come in as a 9 based on the player was known......After 3 weeks the new player now comes in as what he or she established in 3 weeks of play...
I know exactly what you mean.I can even guess at the players involved.We had the same nightmare playing in Tacoma under the same LO.
Although 3 of us where known to be Tacoma 8s and Bremerton 9s none of us had played in T-Town for a few years since we had been playing in Bremerton.I was stunned when DS started our ratings all new again.It is well known how 3 of us play and we had 1 new player who would be like a 4-5 in APA.What a nightmare:First I was a 10 for 2 weeks then J.R. played as a 10 and then James.By the time we played a good team (the first place team) we had to play them even and we were playing with a novice player on our team.
The BCAPL rating system is very good for league play and the Regional and National events are not handicapped witch is also good IMO.I am pretty much done with leagues myself and will only play just enough to qualify.I used to really enjoy the BCA travelling league.
I recently had a long phone discussion with DS over a league match(he called me) in witch he fed me so much BS that I decided there is no point in playing BCA under his charter.
Although 3 of us where known to be Tacoma 8s and Bremerton 9s none of us had played in T-Town for a few years since we had been playing in Bremerton.I was stunned when DS started our ratings all new again.It is well known how 3 of us play and we had 1 new player who would be like a 4-5 in APA.What a nightmare:First I was a 10 for 2 weeks then J.R. played as a 10 and then James.By the time we played a good team (the first place team) we had to play them even and we were playing with a novice player on our team.
The BCAPL rating system is very good for league play and the Regional and National events are not handicapped witch is also good IMO.I am pretty much done with leagues myself and will only play just enough to qualify.I used to really enjoy the BCA travelling league.
I recently had a long phone discussion with DS over a league match(he called me) in witch he fed me so much BS that I decided there is no point in playing BCA under his charter.
The BCAPL does look at known ability when it comes to placing peeps in the right division for tournament play.I do think it makes sence to pre-rate some players before there first league match.
I also think,and this is just my opinion that the L.O. in question here is attempting to patronize the novice player and drive away the more advanced league players.I cannot say I blame him for his approach but for me it kills the enjoyment in a league that I once loved to play in.
USAPL starts new players as 50's until established. Isn't this exactly the same as the OP described for his local league?
Ken
Handicapped tournament...
I'm not sure if the person with the handicap spot would agree, but I know for sure that the person winning without the handicap would be pleased and rightfully proud.
Donny L
PBIA/ACS Instructor
I'm not sure if the person with the handicap spot would agree, but I know for sure that the person winning without the handicap would be pleased and rightfully proud.
Donny L
PBIA/ACS Instructor
BCAPL and handicapping
I don't think it is the same.
The National BCAPL system does NOT have a HC in place. This league uses one (probably the 10 point).
The BCAPL is usually a round robin format and is completely different statistically speaking.
The USAPL is a National system that DOES have a HC system (and you are right that the players start at 50) but it is match play and you get a LOT more info so a person can be accurately rated.
It takes a few weeks to even get "close" to a person's speed. It really does not mature for 12 plays or so.
Also one of the things that distorts things is that most USAPL leagues are fairly new and it is harder to zero in on true speed when most of the players have not matured out as players. There is still a lot of movement in new players.
Mark Griffin
I don't think it is the same.
The National BCAPL system does NOT have a HC in place. This league uses one (probably the 10 point).
The BCAPL is usually a round robin format and is completely different statistically speaking.
The USAPL is a National system that DOES have a HC system (and you are right that the players start at 50) but it is match play and you get a LOT more info so a person can be accurately rated.
It takes a few weeks to even get "close" to a person's speed. It really does not mature for 12 plays or so.
Also one of the things that distorts things is that most USAPL leagues are fairly new and it is harder to zero in on true speed when most of the players have not matured out as players. There is still a lot of movement in new players.
Mark Griffin