Benefits of a hard tip

The benefit of a hard tip is that it gets everything into the hole easier =)
 
Zphix said:
The benefit of a hard tip is that it gets everything into the hole easier =)
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buckshotshoey said:
I seen an article where Minnesota Fats would carry his spare tips around in his pocket. He would put his hand in his pocket and handle them for a month or longer before he would install them on his cue. He was tanning the leather with skin oil. Thats where i got the idea (at least I hope thats what he was doing in his pocket!)

Then i thought about the American Indian would infuse saliva to leather. The enzymes in the saliva would alter (harden) the leather without making it brittle. A good player in my area uses saliva on the side of the tip, then burnishes it. He said it holds its shape better.

When I started doing the palm oil trick, I noticed that chalk would adhere better, and would continue to do so.
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Very interesting. For years I've used saliva on the sides of my tip, then burnish it with a new $20 Bill. I do this at least once every time I go out to play. I learned it from an older player named Tommy Newkirk back when I was a teenager. It became a habit.

Tip wise, I like medium hard because it retains its shape and remains very consistent, as far as feel and playability. Plus it lasts much longer for me.
 
I like the way soft tips play but I use a mild dud which is hard because it doesn't require much maintenance and it provides a consistent hit.

They only thing I do once in a while is use a tip pick on it maybe once a month.
 
dr_dave said:
FYI, a list of hard-tip benefits can be found here:

cue tip hardness effects

Enjoy,
Dave
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Thanks Dave. Interesting reading. I tend to disagree that a softer tip will hold chalk better...... based on personal experience. I never played with a soft, but my hard tip holds chalk as good as any medium I have ever played with. BETTER then a glazed over medium for sure.

Refer to my pics in post # 27. When I installed the tip, I shaped it between a nickel and a dime. I guess penny shape would explain it. After a week of play, I shaped again, then haven't touched it since. It's been on the cue for two years +, and I don't pick it.

I really do think my skin oil conditioning before storage is the reason it holds chalk so well. And i think is why i get no glazing. But THAT might be the quality of the leather. It does look shiny after I do it, but it dulls somewhat 7after storing and holds chalk like crazy.

I have no scientific reasoning as to why. Maybe you can do that. I will add, I never tried this with medium tips. This was something I started doing the last couple of years. For some reason, it works with a hard tip though.
 
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buckshotshoey said:
Thanks Dave. Interesting reading. I tend to disagree that a softer tip will hold chalk better...... based on personal experience. I never played with a soft, but my hard tip holds chalk as good as any medium I have ever played with. BETTER then a glazed over medium for sure.

Refer to my pics in post # 27. When I installed the tip, I shaped it between a nickel and a dime. I guess penny shape would explain it. After a week of play, I shaped again, then haven't touched it since. It's been on the cue for two years +, and I don't pick it.

I really do think my skin oil conditioning before storage is the reason it holds chalk so well. And i think is why i get no glazing. But that might be the quality of the leather. And it won't glaze. It does look shiny after I do it, but it holds chalk like crazy.

I have no scientific reasoning as to why. Maybe you can do that. I will add, I never tried this with medium tips. This was something I started doing the last couple of years. For some reason, it works with a hard tip though.
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what kind of oil do you use ??
can you sent link ? thank you !
 
tabunnn said:
what kind of oil do you use ??
can you sent link ? thank you !
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Oil from my skin. Before I put the cue away, I wipe the chalk off, and rub the tip briskly with the palm of my hand until you feel heat building up.

Why I started doing It is explained on post #10.
 
buckshotshoey said:
Thanks Dave. Interesting reading. I tend to disagree that a softer tip will hold chalk better...... based on personal experience. I never played with a soft, but my hard tip holds chalk as good as any medium I have ever played with. BETTER then a glazed over medium for sure.

Refer to my pics in post # 27. When I installed the tip, I shaped it between a nickel and a dime. I guess penny shape would explain it. After a week of play, I shaped again, then haven't touched it since. It's been on the cue for two years +, and I don't pick it.

I really do think my skin oil conditioning before storage is the reason it holds chalk so well. And i think is why i get no glazing. But THAT might be the quality of the leather. It does look shiny after I do it, but it dulls somewhat 7after storing and holds chalk like crazy.

I have no scientific reasoning as to why. Maybe you can do that. I will add, I never tried this with medium tips. This was something I started doing the last couple of years. For some reason, it works with a hard tip though.
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Look at the problem more broadly is not only holding the chalk but also the degree of
compression and decompression in milliseconds, contact time (not onnly chalk do this),hardnesses,elasticity etc...
for example i can make from triangle any hardnesses from
80 to 95-98 units by Shore D scale ------- unfortunatelly this does not improve the quality of tip..... This applies to Daves theory....
Dennis Searing makes a measuring device for measuring the charateristics of tips. Soon the device will be available at the exhibition Billexpo......In your case - deal in the specific tip that you use - good Moori....No manufacacturer can repeat the Moori tip for 15 years.. i try dozens -- all bad.... hard tip with many spin on long shot only Moori...believe me i know what iam talking about...Balls for our game weight 280 grams - we need a strong spin and strong shot, and the shot technique is much more complicated...I can say that this applies to the pool..
 
This is my completely unscientific experience:

I'm usually a Soft to Medium tip guy. But a few months ago I bought a batch of new tips that were advertised as Mediums. I finally got around to installing one about a week ago and discovered they're much more like a Hard. Flash forward: I'm playing a match and twice, maybe three times, I play a safety at medium distance, slow speed, that required me to hit the OB thinly. I whiffed the OB, completely missed it, once *by a lot*. I do not normally do this, even on my worst days.

Back home I took a look at the tip and saw that it was closer to a dime shape than a nickel, so I sanded it down and have not experienced a reoccurrence. My theory is that the harder tip, with a dime shape, shot the CB off sideways.

Like I said, no science, just what happened as I saw it.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
This is my completely unscientific experience:

I'm usually a Soft to Medium tip guy. But a few months ago I bought a batch of new tips that were advertised as Mediums. I finally got around to installing one about a week ago and discovered they're much more like a Hard. Flash forward: I'm playing a match and twice, maybe three times, I play a safety at medium distance, slow speed, that required me to hit the OB thinly. I whiffed the OB, completely missed it, once *by a lot*. I do not normally do this, even on my worst days.

Back home I took a look at the tip and saw that it was closer to a dime shape than a nickel, so I sanded it down and have not experienced a reoccurrence. My theory is that the harder tip, with a dime shape, shot the CB off sideways.

Like I said, no science, just what happened as I saw it.

Lou Figueroa
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I'd guess it's likely a mini-miscue, maybe due to needed "texture maintenance" rather than to tip shape - reshaping it also scuffed it, I imagine.

pj
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