Berhmans letter American Pro Pool

Barry's article helps to start a discussion about the direction of the professional billiards players and the direction professional billiard organizers.

If there is ever a conflict between players and organizers (a class struggle) it is resolved by the players looking the other way and waiting for the organizers to deliver what they advertised.

It is obvious that organizers put up money and know the machinery about getting spectators, how long promotions take and getting all the equipment into an arena. It is even more obvious that organizers have no real relationships to players whether Johnny Archer shows up or Efren Reyes plays in a tournament, all that matters is the field is full. I have heard rumors about special circumstances but what past is past.

Players have different concerns because they are free contractors. They have their own families, their own expenses and their own responsibilities (like practicing pool). How much do organizers rely on players? Some might say without organizers players would have no careers. How much do players rely on organizers? The argument is the same only in the reverse direction. The two need each other.

Are organizers going to spend time and look out for the needs of their players when they are not playing in their tournament? So far I haven't seen much interest other than telling players when an event is and what the rules they should follow are. Players have gone on without anyone helping them or their external pool tournament needs and external tournament responsibilities addressed, so far organizers haven't burdened themselves with that concern.

What has changed now that Barry is interested in talking about that problem? I won't speculate about his situation. Some of the players have a situation, they were clear about their concerns (http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidePOOLmag#p/search/0/GUs5PlM1inU). And now they want to do something about it. And they were specific what about can be done in the short term and long term.

Barry's letter had fewer details and more ideas that are worth thinking about adapting to billiards in America. All he had was a long winded promotion for his new organization.
 
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I've known Barry for over 30 years now. We worked together at the Caesars Atlantic City event put on by Richie Florence in 1985 (Sigel won - 15K!). And I first attended the Open the following year in 1986, spending time with Martin Scorcese and Tom Cruise there. So we go back a long ways.

The truth of the matter is that Barry and I have had our conflicts over the years and always managed to work them out somehow, as friends will do. This is my second stint as his TD, the first being in the 90's. Again I don't always agree with Barry on everything, but there is a reason I keep coming back to Norfolk and the Open. It remains the most important pool tournament in America!

If we had twelve Barry Behrman's in this country there would be a pro pool tour. Enough said!

What happens when there are zero Barry Behrmans? Seriously, he is not getting any younger. How many more US Opens does he even want to produce? Eventually, he may want to retire his spurs. When that happens, who will step up? There must not be many itching to take the reins, as we have been witness to the many recent tourney flops: IPT, Galveston, Annigoni's recent debacle and many others.

Really big-time tournaments are getting scarce, and they were not plentiful to begin with. Pool seems to be on the ropes. Barry's concerns should be taken seriously. US players have difficulty traveling to overseas events, so if they dry up here for good, then what is left????
 
Suggestion

Look at the video of the Australian fat kid who had to slam down the little bully punk. Do you know of a way to get that kid playing pool? He does not want to be in an adversarial place, he would rather play. I used to be him, and I had to body slam a bully about 8 times because it was on dirt so he didn't get the message immediately. I had never fought back, but I got picked on in front of my sis and I wasn't gonna have her shamed. The kid was bigger than me and he had a pal too. My point? A lot of us like the cool aspects of gambling, we LOOOVED The Hustler. BUT, that fat kid doesn't even want to be approached by someone looking to set up a situation for a stronger kid/player to rub in his face by beating him at a game that he played for fun. Trust me, when he wants to gamble, he will find the gamblers. So I suggest the following:

LET'S MAKE IT UNIVERSALLY BAD ETIQUETTE AND UNCOOL TO ASK A STRANGER TO GAMBLE UNLESS THERE IS A TOURNAMENT GOING ON, BECAUSE PEOPLE AT TOURNAMENTS HAVE COME TO SHOW THEIR CUE PROWESS AND THEY SHOULDN'T SHY AWAY FROM BACKING THAT UP. But on a Saturday morning that fat kid might get bored of Nintendo and want to come in. Go ahead and jump on me for this suggestion but you know it's true. I'm following the Scott/Dippy match just like you are. I can guarantee you the fat kid is not.
 
Look at the video of the Australian fat kid who had to slam down the little bully punk. Do you know of a way to get that kid playing pool? He does not want to be in an adversarial place, he would rather play. I used to be him, and I had to body slam a bully about 8 times because it was on dirt so he didn't get the message immediately. I had never fought back, but I got picked on in front of my sis and I wasn't gonna have her shamed. The kid was bigger than me and he had a pal too. My point? A lot of us like the cool aspects of gambling, we LOOOVED The Hustler. BUT, that fat kid doesn't even want to be approached by someone looking to set up a situation for a stronger kid/player to rub in his face by beating him at a game that he played for fun. Trust me, when he wants to gamble, he will find the gamblers. So I suggest the following:

LET'S MAKE IT UNIVERSALLY BAD ETIQUETTE AND UNCOOL TO ASK A STRANGER TO GAMBLE UNLESS THERE IS A TOURNAMENT GOING ON, BECAUSE PEOPLE AT TOURNAMENTS HAVE COME TO SHOW THEIR CUE PROWESS AND THEY SHOULDN'T SHY AWAY FROM BACKING THAT UP. But on a Saturday morning that fat kid might get bored of Nintendo and want to come in. Go ahead and jump on me for this suggestion but you know it's true. I'm following the Scott/Dippy match just like you are. I can guarantee you the fat kid is not.

What the heck did you just say?
 
Barry says some interesting things in his letter, however all these "problems" are well known & the age-old solution is the need of heavy sponsorship dollars. Here's the thing, you know what attracts sponsors the most: FANS!

Fans pay the gate, buy the products being pimped, attract more sponsors. So the real question is: How do we get more fans to show up? IMHO, pool needs more emotion & attitude. When I watch streams of events, I see the pros move around a table, run out, & act like freaking robots. What pool/billiards needs is someone to do what Pete Weber did for bowling or Tiger did for golf (fist pump, anyone?). Show some emotion when you nail that 85 degree cut, make the 2-rail kick shot, or lock up that great safe. Get the crowd into it, give them a reason to be there. This is what pool is missing, we fix this & everything else will fall in line.
 
Thanks Mike, from Sir Billiards in Tulsa.......circa 1988

Linda was the blonde running the place and her boyfriend Mike was a hustler. Instead of asking me to gamble, he saw my black eye and asked if I had ever played with a nice cue. Whatever it was, it looked like a Balabushka with notched diamonds and veneered points. He handed it to me and said "be careful with it, it cost $2000." Thanks for giving the fat kid a reason to come back to the pool room Mike, whoever you were.... but to the other Mike in Wichita, thanks for the intimidation right off the bat dude... saved me some money.
 
I spoke to Barry a couple times this week, he made lots of valid points. Its a mess was probably his strongest and most correct assertion. And I happen to agree with him. Its pretty clear he is right. There are regional tours that are good for pool. Some leagues are good for pool-others cater to drunks.

Instead of looking at the problems(we all know what they are-if your hip to pool that is); Looking for solutions is where the action is.


Barry and I talked about what they did for bowling-Get Netflix for $9.95/mo and watch the documentary on your computer, it streams just fine. Three retired microsoft computer geeks put up $5M total and reformatted it so it wasnt dry with Chris Schencle whispering into the microphone "He needs this spare to win the Akron open". They jazzed it up. All it took was $$$.


KT had it right he posted up $$$, but he lost his income side of his plan with the UIGEA law. See in Every business there are 2 sides income and expenses. And pool events are nothing more than businesses. Think the Derby isnt a 9 day long business every year? It sure as hell aint charity or because Greg is board. He busts his ass to put together 9/365 days to make a buck, nothing wrong with that. KT needed online gaming advertising $$$ to be the income side of the business. When he lost that, we all lost.


I'm not in the spot I was 3 years ago, so I cant go out there with 5 million to start up something. But at the end of the day $$$ is the only solution, the rest is hot air and bullshit.


Best
Eric

You hit the nail on the head when you said it is all about money.

In my opinion to get that money and keep the money coming in, you need to build a partnership with the grass roots players ie. league players. We are sitting here with the APA and BCAPL with a combined close to 400,000 members. Why hasn't someone levereged that fan base yet.

There can be no succesful and sustainable pro tour without a fan base who will be willing to watch it (and pay a small amount at that). In order to grow that fan base you need to have the pro players that are willing to work to get a pro tour off the ground.

The person that develops a plan to have the APA and BCAPL work together to fund the startup of a tour will be the winner. Maybe I am dreaming but I would think that the more exposure the game gets, the better the leagues do. Imagine if once a year every League Operator that had over 50 teams in their league (both APA and BCAPL) had the ability once a year to have a touring pro do demonstrations and sign autographs. That would help the leagues, which would in turn help the pro players make a living.

Just some thoughts.


Leagueguy
 
what I said is that there is good reason pool's down...

What the heck did you just say?

People don't like intimidating unsafe places. But gambling ain't going away, so give it its place; at tournaments for all to see so new players don't feel like someone is sneaking up on 'em. That's why pool's not organized.
New blood=energy for pool. Intimidated kids=no new blood. And the world is far more dangerous than when I was a kid. I first played at age 7 and played only that one time until I was 18. I just explained the reason.
 
Barry says some interesting things in his letter, however all these "problems" are well known & the age-old solution is the need of heavy sponsorship dollars. Here's the thing, you know what attracts sponsors the most: FANS!

Fans pay the gate, buy the products being pimped, attract more sponsors. So the real question is: How do we get more fans to show up? IMHO, pool needs more emotion & attitude. When I watch streams of events, I see the pros move around a table, run out, & act like freaking robots. What pool/billiards needs is someone to do what Pete Weber did for bowling or Tiger did for golf (fist pump, anyone?). Show some emotion when you nail that 85 degree cut, make the 2-rail kick shot, or lock up that great safe. Get the crowd into it, give them a reason to be there. This is what pool is missing, we fix this & everything else will fall in line.

You hit the nail on the head when you said it is all about money.

In my opinion to get that money and keep the money coming in, you need to build a partnership with the grass roots players ie. league players. We are sitting here with the APA and BCAPL with a combined close to 400,000 members. Why hasn't someone levereged that fan base yet.

There can be no succesful and sustainable pro tour without a fan base who will be willing to watch it (and pay a small amount at that). In order to grow that fan base you need to have the pro players that are willing to work to get a pro tour off the ground.

The person that develops a plan to have the APA and BCAPL work together to fund the startup of a tour will be the winner. Maybe I am dreaming but I would think that the more exposure the game gets, the better the leagues do. Imagine if once a year every League Operator that had over 50 teams in their league (both APA and BCAPL) had the ability once a year to have a touring pro do demonstrations and sign autographs. That would help the leagues, which would in turn help the pro players make a living.

Just some thoughts.


Leagueguy

OMG! LeagueGuy, mark this date in history! WE AGREE!!! It's about the fans!
 
What about exposure? When Rounders came out that was the exposure needed to revive poker, and look at it now? At almost any time of day you can find poker on a cable channel. It was a beautiful accident, wasn't it? Poker is likely a boring game to watch for newcomers in its entirety, but the cable channels show the highlights, and the big tourneys, which makes it very interesting even to newcomers.

What would it take to get ESPN to show highlights of the US Open? Wouldn't this exposure sell more DVDs of particular matches, more tickets next year, etc?

What are the chances of "the big time players" (Diamond, Bruswick, Allen Hopkins Productions?, whoever else) to form a partnership and run a Cue Sports TV cable channel? I have no idea what it costs so I'm just asking questions, not proposing anything that "should" be done.
 
You hit the nail on the head when you said it is all about money.

In my opinion to get that money and keep the money coming in, you need to build a partnership with the grass roots players ie. league players. We are sitting here with the APA and BCAPL with a combined close to 400,000 members. Why hasn't someone levereged that fan base yet.

There can be no succesful and sustainable pro tour without a fan base who will be willing to watch it (and pay a small amount at that). In order to grow that fan base you need to have the pro players that are willing to work to get a pro tour off the ground.

The person that develops a plan to have the APA and BCAPL work together to fund the startup of a tour will be the winner. Maybe I am dreaming but I would think that the more exposure the game gets, the better the leagues do. Imagine if once a year every League Operator that had over 50 teams in their league (both APA and BCAPL) had the ability once a year to have a touring pro do demonstrations and sign autographs. That would help the leagues, which would in turn help the pro players make a living.

Just some thoughts.


Leagueguy

Home run! :thumbup:

Trick is, getting folks to agree to participate, in order to grow for the future. That foresight is the missing piece to the puzzle.

I hope someone can make it happen.
 
From the king of sports promotion.

"
Is there a sport he hasn't promoted that he would like to dabble with? "Yeah, table tennis. But different table tennis. I'd like to take it back to when it was an exciting sport. This foam bat has killed it because it is so spin-orientated and it doesn't lend itself to TV. I'm all about what looks good on the box. I want to go back to the old bat, which was just a lump of wood with a bobble on. You smacked it and it made that lovely noise. You could have rallies where you would stand 16 feet behind the table and smash it. That's when you had people watching." But wouldn't he have to get approval from the international federation? He leans back in his chair, laughs and sticks his middle finger in the air. "That's what I say to international federations. What's the first prize in a major table tennis competition? $10,000? Give them a quarter of a million and they'll find out where they want to play. That's all it's about. I say, 'If you want to be in my competition, these are the rules – my rules – and if you don't, bugger off'."

complete article here.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...weet-for-the-alan-sugar-of-sport-1667458.html
 
Just a thought!

With ever expanding international participation in cue sports it would seem that an attempt to gain olympic recognition would be an enormous first step. I'm sure this is not an original idea, and perhaps the logistics involved are far too daunting for a handfull of folks to overcome. With the emergence of China as a force to be reckoned with in the cue sports arena...perhaps another try with a successful outcome is in the wind....Comments???
 
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Mark...What made poker on tv "exciting" to watch, was the introduction of "hole card cameras". That was long after Rounders came out. What made poker on tv impressive was when Moneymaker won the WSOP, as an amateur. People watching poker can actually visualize themselves sitting in that seat, at the final table. People watching pool cannot do the same. There is some element of luck in poker. Not so with top level pool. Either you make the shot, or you don't. :grin:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

What about exposure? When Rounders came out that was the exposure needed to revive poker, and look at it now? At almost any time of day you can find poker on a cable channel. It was a beautiful accident, wasn't it? Poker is likely a boring game to watch for newcomers in its entirety, but the cable channels show the highlights, and the big tourneys, which makes it very interesting even to newcomers.

What would it take to get ESPN to show highlights of the US Open? Wouldn't this exposure sell more DVDs of particular matches, more tickets next year, etc?

What are the chances of "the big time players" (Diamond, Bruswick, Allen Hopkins Productions?, whoever else) to form a partnership and run a Cue Sports TV cable channel? I have no idea what it costs so I'm just asking questions, not proposing anything that "should" be done.
 
Mark...What made poker on tv "exciting" to watch, was the introduction of "hole card cameras". That was long after Rounders came out. What made poker on tv impressive was when Moneymaker won the WSOP, as an amateur. People watching poker can actually visualize themselves sitting in that seat, at the final table. People watching pool cannot do the same. There is some element of luck in poker. Not so with top level pool. Either you make the shot, or you don't. :grin:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Don't forget the money, it too made it..............................
 
And the personalities.... another reason poker is successful on TV. There is interaction between the players, and it's not just "sit there, shut up and play." (translated from pool, "hit your shot, go sit in your chair and be quiet")

And the money. :D
 
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