Best GOAT moment of all time

There are a few players who completely change the game during their time. For 3-cushion, Raymond Ceulemans is the most notable living player. He raised the standard and was not surpassed for decades. From the middle part of his career:

In 1978 the World 3-Cushion Championship was held in Las Vegas. The US got 4 out of 12 spots in the round robin as the host country. One of the US representatives was Boston Shorty (Larry Johnson). At that time we had heard about the European style that favored offense and position play rather than more defensive style that was common in the US. Before the tournament Shorty had bragged that the Europeans weren't going like playing from his safeties and they wouldn't be averaging over 1.000 against him, no matter what they did back home.

The first round matched Shorty with Ceulemans, playing to 60 points. By one report, Shorty asked Raymond if he would like to bet a little something on the match, and Raymond, amazed and startled, declined the offer.

Ceulemans won the lag, made five from the break, and continued to score at a fast clip. Shorty, on the other hand, found blessed little to shoot at when he came to the table. Raymond got to 60 in the 26th inning, for a 2.308 average. Shorty had 8 points. Because his opponent had the advantage of the first shot, Shorty now got a chance to tie from an opening break shot. He came to the table needing 52 to tie. He made 2, and ended up with 10 and a 0.384 average.

We had also heard that the Europeans always played on heated, modern tables, but the tables in the tournament were 1930s-vintage unheated Brunswick tables. Ceulemans set the new record grand average for World Championships on those old tables of 1.680.
 
raphcleary said:
If Allison Fisher had won the 2022 World 9-Ball Final it would have been a record between a player winning their first world title and last, in pocket cue sports (1985-2022), the record is held by Irving Crane, 30 years between world titles (1942-1972).
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I think Alfredo de Oro has a far more impressive resume than either of those two:

Career titles​

As for his GOAT moment, here is how he beat Welker Cochran in the 1936 World 3-C championship -- well past his prime -- according to Cochran as told in Robert Byrne's "McGoorty":

I knew the old man would have to take six piss breaks during the game. I couldn’t complain about it because of his age, and I wasn’t going to let it bother me if he took a lot of time. Halfway through the game he hadn’t asked for permission to leave the table and I started worrying about him. Started worrying about his bladder. After all, he still hadn’t gone to the can. Was he alright? Was he going to go in his pants? Was he in pain trying to hold it back? I got so worried about his bladder I couldn’t concentrate on what I was doing. That old man did not take one piss the entire game, and that’s what beat me.​
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think Alfredo de Oro has a far more impressive resume than either of those two:

Career titles​

As for his GOAT moment, here is how he beat Welker Cochran in the 1936 World 3-C championship -- well past his prime -- according to Cochran as told in Robert Byrne's "McGoorty":

I knew the old man would have to take six piss breaks during the game. I couldn’t complain about it because of his age, and I wasn’t going to let it bother me if he took a lot of time. Halfway through the game he hadn’t asked for permission to leave the table and I started worrying about him. Started worrying about his bladder. After all, he still hadn’t gone to the can. Was he alright? Was he going to go in his pants? Was he in pain trying to hold it back? I got so worried about his bladder I couldn’t concentrate on what I was doing. That old man did not take one piss the entire game, and that’s what beat me.​
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Many of AD's Championships were by winning, 'Challenge matches' against that current Champion and not in a True 'World' field of players.
 
The_JV said:
First I've heard of this... Link?
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no-one beat ronnie's time, maybe on a practice table... ronnie did it on the biggest tournament ( world championships ) live on TV.

his fastest 147... during a WC... will never be broken.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think Alfredo de Oro has a far more impressive resume than either of those two:

Career titles​

As for his GOAT moment, here is how he beat Welker Cochran in the 1936 World 3-C championship -- well past his prime -- according to Cochran as told in Robert Byrne's "McGoorty":

I knew the old man would have to take six piss breaks during the game. I couldn’t complain about it because of his age, and I wasn’t going to let it bother me if he took a lot of time. Halfway through the game he hadn’t asked for permission to leave the table and I started worrying about him. Started worrying about his bladder. After all, he still hadn’t gone to the can. Was he alright? Was he going to go in his pants? Was he in pain trying to hold it back? I got so worried about his bladder I couldn’t concentrate on what I was doing. That old man did not take one piss the entire game, and that’s what beat me.​
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Although everyone of De Ore's World Championship wins were before an official sanctioning body, so should these count?
 
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Banger said:
Not quite accurate, according to this 1993 interview. He was playing full rack banks. He also explains why it is so difficult to do. And that is, because often, balls are tied up, or hanging in a pocket, which simply makes them impossible to bank.

As far as someone breaking this record, I'm sure there are many players today, who have the bank skills to do it. The problem is actually having a layout on the table that will allow you to do it. And that part involves quite a bit of luck, especially with full rack banks.

Here is the interview, about that accomplishment. 39:10 to around 42:15.

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Banger thx for clearing that up. It was a tough time in my life then but he did tell me one on one about the 37, the video clip is much appreciated. Like he said, banking a full rack is extremely difficult.
 
Island Drive said:
Banger thx for clearing that up. It was a tough time in my life then but he did tell me one on one about the 37, the video clip is much appreciated. Like he said, banking a full rack is extremely difficult.
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Every time I watch that video, I find it amazing just how easy Eddie Taylor makes it look. I also think that record will be around for some time. Banks are what I enjoy most, and are about 90% of my table time, these days. I have a table at home, so I just roll the balls out and start shooting. For some reason, I get much more satisfaction from banks, than any other form of pool.
 
garczar said:
For me personally it was watching Efren beat Busti, Parica, and then Cliff back-to-back-to-back to win DCC 1p in '07. Surreal display of pool. He beat(iirc) Busti 3-0(24balls to nada), Parica 3-0(24 to -1) and then Cliff 3 games to one. Insane.
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got interested in watching this run from Efren because of your post and have to correct: was 24:5 against Busti. (He was on his way for 24-0 and missed 2 easy balls needing two to finish his 3. game.)

Astonishing performance nevertheless winning that many Derby City One Pocket divisions. (And match against Parica was last 24 while Busti was SF so there were matches in between (not back-to-back-to-back))
 
kanzzo said:
got interested in watching this run from Efren because of your post and have to correct: was 24:5 against Busti. (He was on his way for 24-0 and missed 2 easy balls needing two to finish his 3. game.)

Astonishing performance nevertheless winning that many Derby City One Pocket divisions. (And match against Parica was last 24 while Busti was SF so there were matches in between (not back-to-back-to-back))
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Ok. I was hittin the bourbon pretty good at that event. I was ringside when Pickle beat Efren in the 9ball and when Buddy beat him too with a full-table length masse to get out. Good times.
 
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