memikey said:All things considered, being 55 and not having taken up golf til I was 47.....
Holy Shiite, that's extraordinary! Way to go!
memikey said:All things considered, being 55 and not having taken up golf til I was 47.....
memikey said:That's great and doesn't surprise me at all, just jesting.....my own putter shaft needs some tender loving care after an encounter with a buggy cart path![]()
Blackjack said:I remember Johnny Archer shooting a 79 from the tips at TPC Sawgrass a few years back. That's a strong score for a PGA player, never mind a professional pool player. IIRC, I believe John Schmidt was there that day - and - in his words (not mine) - "putting like a blind man."
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trustyrusty said:I've played the stadium course right after the TPC tourney (have a buddy that volunteers there, and gets free passes). First time I played it was not pretty (86), but after playing it a few times since....I have broken 80 a few times on it (tourney conditions, and from all the way back). I agree with whoever said the courses are ridiculously tough for the BIG tourneys (Masters, TPC, US Open, PGA, etc.). The last time I played it I was a 3.6 handi, and shot 78. I ended the year last year at a 2.4, and I find in most cases most alledged SCRATCH golfers aren't quite as good as they claim.....what I call a VANITY CAP. Love those guys![]()
john schmidt said:archer and i went and played sawgrass 3 years ago from the tips.played it down.95 degrees with a slight breeze.johnny doubled the second hole and shot 76 .it was his first time on course.i made a 10 on the last hole to shoot 85.
john schmidt said:archer and i went and played sawgrass 3 years ago from the tips.played it down.95 degrees with a slight breeze.johnny doubled the second hole and shot 76 .it was his first time on course.i made a 10 on the last hole to shoot 85.
corvette1340 said:why in the world anyone wants a vanity cap is beyond me. I'm the exact opposite. I like my handicap nice and plump for all the big tournaments. If anyone asks, I am a 10.![]()
john schmidt said:archer and i went and played sawgrass 3 years ago from the tips.played it down.95 degrees with a slight breeze.johnny doubled the second hole and shot 76 .it was his first time on course.i made a 10 on the last hole to shoot 85.
corvette1340 said:why in the world anyone wants a vanity cap is beyond me. I'm the exact opposite. I like my handicap nice and plump for all the big tournaments. If anyone asks, I am a 10.![]()
Fore Rail said:Look em up - a good place to start would be http://www.ghin.com/lookup.shtml
BRKNRUN said:You are on the money regarding practice time for a club pro...One way to limit the amount of actual play is to become a golf professional.
BTW...I WAS a club pro...It is a LONG story that I won't go into, but acutally I type this from the Golf course I still work at on Sunday's only.
I was in the PGA program (only so I could play section events).
Typically the club pros that qualify for PGA events will struggle to even make the cut...If as you say above the average score as above par...The club pros end up on the higher end of that list...Usually over the average score mark...Acutally they are partially responsible for raising the mark......A PGA set up course is just a different world.
I actually was considered a scratch golfer...I had the opportunity to play the TPC a couple weeks before the Phoenix Open (back when it was still called the Phoenix open)...It was already layed out for the event...(even had the famous #16 bleachers and everything)...The only difference was that the greens had not been scalped yet were already very firm and fast...I manged to shoot 72 that day... If I had taken that as a two day score for the upcomming event I would have missed the cut by about 8 strokes...Had I actually played on the same days...my score probably would have been 6-8 stokes higher (right were the "club pros" that qualified ended up shooting)
Also...There are courses that are rated "over par"....on those courses that you manage to shoot even par..you would be considered a + handicapp.
The average score you pose above would fall into that catagory of course.
Heck...honestly I would be happy to shoot an 85 at Agusta under the conditions they will be playing it....
Most people just have no concept of how hard these courses actually are.
Am I being unfair...I don't think so...I don't know of any "club pros" that would not trade in that job to start playing on the tourn if they could shoot the scores.....(Are there some that are...sure...they end up with tour cards)
Blackjack said:I remember Johnny Archer shooting a 79 from the tips at TPC Sawgrass a few years back. That's a strong score for a PGA player, never mind a professional pool player. IIRC, I believe John Schmidt was there that day - and - in his words (not mine) - "putting like a blind man."
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BRKNRUN said:The only way you would find out is to hold a 4 round tournament where they all played the same course.
Frankly....and no disrespect to any of them as they all sound like well above average golfers, but I take very little stock in any handicap.
Although the handicap system is supposed to take into account the course difficulty etc. etc. the fact is that hardly any course represents anything close to what a PGA pro is going to play on.
Even Club Professionals that are listed as scratch or +1 that play mini tour events are not really scratch when you see thier scores poste on a PGA set up course.
In pool you can play on the exact same equipment that the PROs play on...(you can even have one in your house)....In golf very few actually get to test thier skills on the same course (conditions) that a PGA professional would play on......You can (say) you play on the same course...but you are not really...
I would have to bet against any of them breaking 80 if they were to tee off with the PGA pros at Agusta....Heck there are probably quite a few +1 handicaps (on paper) out in the world that would have a tough time just legally finishing a round at Agusta....![]()
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Worminator said:No disrespect, but I don't believe there are too many PGA players that would be happy with a 79 on any course...I am assuming you are speaking of a PGA Tour player.
masonh said:so it sounds like Shawn is saying that Johnny and John are + handicaps,which is better tha i had heard about johnny at least.there aren't too many true + handicap golfers in the world.
junksecret said:Well, I assume some of you are familiar with Tiger's comments regarding a 10 handicap on a US open track which lead to the Golf Digest contest... "In light of a Tiger Woods comment that a 10-handicap could never break 100 at a U.S. Open venue, Golf Digest is running a contest for those amateurs out there who think they could do just that. Consequently, one lucky hacker will win the opportunity to play Torrey Pines outside San Diego the day before the U.S. Open week commences."
Basically Tiger said he didn't think there were ANY golfers with a true 10 handicap who had a prayer to break 100 at a US open venue set up for the open.
I'll take the over if someone sets up a Vbookie deal.....
Joe