Beware of Billy Burke!!!

I agree. After reading the texts (unless there was more communication either verbally or written that was not shared), Billy did not follow his end of the agreement. Even now, when he is discussing it, his attitude is one of (paraphrasing) "no skin off my back, I just made a deal for 2K with someone else". He does not even acknowledge that he was wrong in not shipping when agreed upon, or at the minimum, speaking up about it instead of radio silence for several days.

Billy now says no harm, no foul, and lets move on. But, he caused the OP to spend $60 and all the hassle of packing and shipping a cue internationally. Of course, there was no harm to Billy, but he caused plenty of aggravation to the OP.

If I was a judge, based on what was presented thus far, I'd make Billy reimburse the OP the 60 for the international shipping.

As an AZ'r, I'd be very weary of making any buy/sell/trade/action room bets with Billy. These are my two cents:)
 
I think there is a valuable take-away lesson here and it is this:

If you are going to use a very reputable person's name (like Eraj) as someone who can vouch for you like what happened here in this case, then you really should carry through to the letter with what your agreed terms are.

IMO, I believe both Mark and Billy are good guys who can be trusted but Billy did misstep by not shipping his package the same day and that is what blew this deal up.

It would seem fair for Billy to take care of the expense Mark incurred trying to ship his package or even better would be if these two guys could salvage their deal.

What do you guys say?

Maybe you can show us that it can be turned around. :smile:

best,
brian kc
 
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I tried to salvage thr deal... this guy is just really stubborn. It's over and done with now. Hope you guys had fun babbling about nonsense for 3 days....
 
Your reputation is ruined Mr Billy. I don't know you and I will never do business with you. Thanks to the OP from Australia.

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Marky Mark said:
Now I'm out about $60 (charge to experience) for shipping both ways and brokerage fees as the item is going back to Vancouver, Canada. It could have been worse but it is what it is now. Thanks for your time in reading and sorry about the long post.
-Mark
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1) Thanks for the warning. Guy is a tool.

2) If you feel so inclined, you can probably appeal the brokerage fees here:

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/import/postal-postale/dispute-contestation-eng.html

but if you have already paid the amount, it may be too late.
 
uwate said:
I know Billy Burke and I think you might have jumped the gun on the whole beware thing.

Sounds like both parties didnt trust each other much here, which after all the I got screwed over by so and so on AZ nowadays, who can blame either party for getting anxious over the other.

Just wanted to also add in that Billy has been playing in tournaments and action all around florida for a few years now and ive never heard of him screwing anyone. He also has the reputation as someone whose got some gamble and will send it in on a game of pool. Something that alot of people talk about here on AZ but fewer actually do in real life.
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Yea right I suppose u want to vouch for him so I suppose u will cover all the people he has stiffed for money bets
 
They were talking carefully and simultaneously but not loud enough:eek:
When it came to the action,he has just jumped the gun:eek::smile:
After that everything has gone south:cool:
 
iusedtoberich said:
I agree. After reading the texts (unless there was more communication either verbally or written that was not shared), Billy did not follow his end of the agreement. Even now, when he is discussing it, his attitude is one of (paraphrasing) "no skin off my back, I just made a deal for 2K with someone else". He does not even acknowledge that he was wrong in not shipping when agreed upon, or at the minimum, speaking up about it instead of radio silence for several days.

Billy now says no harm, no foul, and lets move on. But, he caused the OP to spend $60 and all the hassle of packing and shipping a cue internationally. Of course, there was no harm to Billy, but he caused plenty of aggravation to the OP.

If I was a judge, based on what was presented thus far, I'd make Billy reimburse the OP the 60 for the international shipping.

As an AZ'r, I'd be very weary of making any buy/sell/trade/action room bets with Billy. These are my two cents:)
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Well said and agree 100%

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I just wanted to say "Thank you!" to the people for the support that I received in the last few days considering I don't know you guys & vice versa. This didn't surprise me though because I've seen similar threads before and I know that a ton of people people in this community value what is good or right more than anything else and that people will stand up for it anytime it is necessary. 99% of the posts are just spot on or even better with regards to how I felt in general and/or how I would have replied. Again, I can't say thank you enough to each of you for your time & input.
 
I usually don't butt into things like this but after reading the texts I do not see it the OP's way. Read this exchange again. The only mention of terms in these texts are where the OP says he will ship first and upon receipt of the cue this other guy will ship the case. It says nowhere in these texts that they will ship at the same time. I have no affiliation with either of these people. I take warnings on this site very seriously and would hate to have a reputation ruined over a misunderstanding.
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This is the only conversation you have supplied as evidence. I saw you had edited several of your posts, unless you removed other parts of the conversation where this guy says he will ship at the same time I just don't see that said anywhere here.
 
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erhino41 said:
I usually don't butt into things like this but after reading the texts I do not see it the OP's way. Read this exchange again. The only mention of terms in these texts are where the OP says he will ship first and upon receipt of the cue this other guy will ship the case. It says nowhere in these texts that they will ship at the same time. I have no affiliation with either of these people. I take warnings on this site very seriously and would hate to have a reputation ruined over a misunderstanding.
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This is the only conversation you have supplied as evidence. I saw you had edited several of your posts, unless you removed other parts of the conversation where this guy says he will ship at the same time I just don't see that said anywhere here.
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caff3in3 said:
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Thanks caff3in3!

Let me break it down for you erhino41 since you are having a hard time following...

My proposal as noted on page 2 in the form of a question: "will u be OK to ship to me first?"

Billy then counters & says "no offence but definitely not. I have a good rep. WE CAN SHIP AT THE SAME TIME blah blah blah". He then follows it up with "I know people who can vouch etc."

I then countered with another proposal (this is the section of my text that you keep posting and obsessing about) when I said "No offence taken. The only this works is if you pay then I ship & vice versa".

Billy again counters & says "just ask Geovani...I'm good people. I wouldn't ruin my rep over a jumper...etc"

I then said "OK let me ask Eraj & I'll let you know by tom. or 2nyt" - at this point I'm already considering his proposal which was to ship at the same time. After about 20 mins I got back to him & said "OK, we are on send me your info etc."

Are we on the same page now as everyone is or has been for the last few days?
You also pointed out that I edited some of the posts. True! But it's because I was advised by another member to block out my address which I posted initially when I started sharing the texts. If u were paying attention you would have caught that.

Since you also think that I HAVE BEEN WRONG the whole time let me ask you this, "Between Billy & I, what we have in common in this thread are claims. Why is it that he can't seem to back it up like I did with the texts to prove his claims since he's implying that I am lying?" The simple answer is, he's lying! If you make a claim & can't back it up then it's a lie.
 
He didn't ship when he said he would to scam or because he was afraid of getting scammed.

If he was going to scam.....shame on him.

If he was afraid of getting scammed there are ways to protect yourself. Getting someone to vouch for you and then pulling this sketchy shit isn't one of them.

Nobody will ever know his true intentions and I wouldn't put my money or stuff on the line to find out.

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ideologist said:
Yes, use an escrow service!
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Even an Escrow is not completely safe, because you have to rely on USPS, FED EX, UPS, or whoever to safely get the items to their destination, and safely. Also, in trade deals, it is very difficult to get an insurance claim on an item that you did not pay for, so how to prove what the item is worth? I hear that it is almost impossible to get a claim through USPS, if you have no way to prove what the item is worth. Trading is not safe through the mail (no matter who you are dealing with), and I am usually more worried about the item getting to the receiver safely then anything else. I think that Billy Burke was very wrong about the way he handled this. If the agreement was to ship out at the same time, then that it what should have happened. Once, Billy what given proof that the shipment was on its way, then he should have at least shipped the item out the next day (and even this would not be doing what he should have done, and shipped on the same day). If he did not trust the OP, then he should have made sure that the OP knew that he would not ship the item out until he received the other item from the OP. If the OP did not know his intentions (which seems to be the case), then I think it was very wrong to have left the OP to not know whether or not his item was also on the way to him (which is what seems to be the agreed upon terms of the deal). I think that most people in this world are good, but most of us have this fear to not trust anyone that they do not know, and I can understand why, because you really do not know who you can trust (no matter how small the % of untrustworthy people there are out there). The only safe way to trade is in person, and in a safe public place, with cameras and security to make things feel even more safe (in my opinion). Do not ever trade through the mail, unless you can afford to possibly lose what you are shipping through the mail, because it is a gamble.
 
Marky Mark said:
I just wanted to say "Thank you!" to the people for the support that I received in the last few days considering I don't know you guys & vice versa. This didn't surprise me though because I've seen similar threads before and I know that a ton of people people in this community value what is good or right more than anything else and that people will stand up for it anytime it is necessary. 99% of the posts are just spot on or even better with regards to how I felt in general and/or how I would have replied. Again, I can't say thank you enough to each of you for your time & input.
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Hi Marky, Very sorry to hear about the trade deal going bad. I see that both you and Billy have very low itrader on this forum, so I am very surprised that the agreement was made to ship out at the same time. I see and get the feeling that you did not know that Billy had no intention of shipping the cue out on the same day, and he just lied to you about that, and waited in silence (with no reply to your texts) until he received the item that you sent. I think that he may have (and probably would have) shipped your item out after he received your shipment, but since he did not do what he agreed to do and ignored your texts, then I can understand why you cancelled the shipment (by the way, I never knew it was possible to cancel a shipment after it has been shipped). He was ignoring your texts, and did not do what was agreed upon, so you had even more of a reason not to trust him. If I were you, I would not do any more trades through the mail (unless dealing with members that have a very high itrader from sales and trades). This is just a $60 lesson learned, which is not too bad I do not think. Be thankful that it was not for a lot more money (for example, I got burned out of $900 buying laptops from a seller from a wholesale website in China back in 2008, because I paid him through western union, and never heard back from him again after he picked up the money). Just do deals with highly reputable members, and you should have no more problems. Also, try to get a feel for their attitude by maybe talking with them over the phone. I do not like to deal with anyone if I do not like their attitude (it does not matter how reputable they are), but that is just me. I only like dealing with nice, and friendly (and good hearted) people, that care about customer satisfaction (and it is not just about business to them).
 
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erhino41 said:
I usually don't butt into things like this but after reading the texts I do not see it the OP's way. Read this exchange again. The only mention of terms in these texts are where the OP says he will ship first and upon receipt of the cue this other guy will ship the case. It says nowhere in these texts that they will ship at the same time. I have no affiliation with either of these people. I take warnings on this site very seriously and would hate to have a reputation ruined over a misunderstanding.
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This is the only conversation you have supplied as evidence. I saw you had edited several of your posts, unless you removed other parts of the conversation where this guy says he will ship at the same time I just don't see that said anywhere here.
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You really should read through the entire thread before you reply. If you would have done that, then you would have seen all of the texts that the OP posted. Go to page 2, and read reply #28 of the thread. It looks like BIlly told the OP that he should be shipping the item out on that same day after he got off of work at around 5:30, and then the OP did not hear back from BIlly until the OP cancelled the shipment (which was some days after that?). That is the only part I am confused about. MY point is that is sounds like BIlly did not do what he told the OP he was going to to (proof in reply #28 of page 2). Maybe all of this was just miscommunication. I always like to double check to make sure both me and the other party knows the agreed upon terms. There should have been a double check (if you know what I mean) in this situation, just to make sure both parties knew what the deal was and when to ship the items out.
 
Marky Mark said:
Thanks caff3in3!

Let me break it down for you erhino41 since you are having a hard time following...

My proposal as noted on page 2 in the form of a question: "will u be OK to ship to me first?"

Billy then counters & says "no offence but definitely not. I have a good rep. WE CAN SHIP AT THE SAME TIME blah blah blah". He then follows it up with "I know people who can vouch etc."

I then countered with another proposal (this is the section of my text that you keep posting and obsessing about) when I said "No offence taken. The only this works is if you pay then I ship & vice versa".

Billy again counters & says "just ask Geovani...I'm good people. I wouldn't ruin my rep over a jumper...etc"

I then said "OK let me ask Eraj & I'll let you know by tom. or 2nyt" - at this point I'm already considering his proposal which was to ship at the same time. After about 20 mins I got back to him & said "OK, we are on send me your info etc."

Are we on the same page now as everyone is or has been for the last few days?
You also pointed out that I edited some of the posts. True! But it's because I was advised by another member to block out my address which I posted initially when I started sharing the texts. If u were paying attention you would have caught that.

Since you also think that I HAVE BEEN WRONG the whole time let me ask you this, "Between Billy & I, what we have in common in this thread are claims. Why is it that he can't seem to back it up like I did with the texts to prove his claims since he's implying that I am lying?" The simple answer is, he's lying! If you make a claim & can't back it up then it's a lie.
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I think that maybe you really should have double checked to make sure that Billy was on the same page, and maybe asked him something like "Okay so I am shipping the item out today, and just making sure that you will also be shipping the item out to me on the same day that I ship my item out to you?". It is really a good thing to double check these things, so that there is no confusion or possible miscommunication about the agreement. This way, you can be like "now I double checked with you on the agreement, and you confirmed that you agreed to ship at the same time, and you did not do what you agreed to do". It just makes your case even more solid, and then possibly this bad situation would have never happened. Never hurts to double check with the other person on deals like this, right?
 
caff3in3 said:
He didn't ship when he said he would to scam or because he was afraid of getting scammed.

If he was going to scam.....shame on him.

If he was afraid of getting scammed there are ways to protect yourself. Getting someone to vouch for you and then pulling this sketchy shit isn't one of them.

Nobody will ever know his true intentions and I wouldn't put my money or stuff on the line to find out.

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Yeah, if he did not trust the OP, then he should have made it clear to the OP that he needed to receive the item 1st before he shipped the item out. It is pretty clear to me that the OP did not know his intentions until the OP had already shipped his item off. This is a sad story, and a good lesson learned I think. Sorry for getting involved (was just bored, and seen this thread).
 
Sorry for this non related reply, but I just thought it was funny when I seen the name Billy Burke. I seen the name, and it reminded me of the actor who played in the Twilight movies, lol (and was thinking, the OP could not possibly be talking about the same person that I am thinking of, lol).

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0121605/?ref_=nv_sr_1
 
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justinb386 said:
Sorry for this non related reply, but I just thought it was funny when I seen the name Billy Burke. I seen the name, and it reminded me of the actor who played in the Twilight movies, lol (and was thinking, the OP could not possibly be talking about the same person that I am thinking of, lol).

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0121605/?ref_=nv_sr_1
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Yeah, I googled the name and no pool player game up, just that actor. He stated he made his living playing pool but no Interwebs search results game up with the big bambino's name. I believe he is one of those "off the radar" road players that has fooled the world! Buyer beware, and keep on keeping on Billy!
 
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