Beware of Royce827

justinb386 said:
Okay, so if a person is no good, and just plain bad (and I am not saying that about the OP, because I do not know him or his dealings), it makes it okay to be dishonest to that person, and hold onto their money for knows how long (maybe a few days in this case?)? I am still trying to figure out exactly how long the seller had the OP's money in his paypal account. Has this been verified on here yet? Did I miss the facts somewhere? We know the exact time and date that the seller refunded the OP, but we do not know exactly when the OP sent the paypal payment.

I assume that you think that the OP is lying about his entire side of the story, right?

This thread should not be about the type of person the OP is, or about his previous dealings.

It should be about the facts of the single deal that the OP was originally talking about.

If the OP's side of the story is true, then the seller is very much in the wrong in this situation.

One thing that we do know for a fact is that someone was very rude and nasty about pointing out the fact that the refund was given.

Now I would like to know exactly how long the seller had the OP's money. Any facts to prove this?

We seen a screen shot of the refund. so what about a screen shot of exactly when the payment was made?

This will tell me if the OP's side of the story may have been true.

The only thing that should matter is the final agreed upon amount of money for the cue. If an agreement was not made, then the seller would not have given the OP his paypal email. The seller would have told the OP exactly how much to send the OP, or exactly how much to add for the shipping costs. This is the most confusing part of the story.
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Bro, why do YOU even care so much??? You're already known as bad business, do you think this somehow will absolve you? Lololol??? ( MOST ) of us here; and in life in general , know how to conduct themselves as well as their business. When once in awhile some twat comes along he is usually quickly outted and that's that.
 
justinb386 said:
Okay, so if a person is no good, and just plain bad (and I am not saying that about the OP, because I do not know him or his dealings), it makes it okay to be dishonest to that person, and hold onto their money for knows how long (maybe a few days in this case?)? I am still trying to figure out exactly how long the seller had the OP's money in his paypal account. Has this been verified on here yet? Did I miss the facts somewhere? We know the exact time and date that the seller refunded the OP, but we do not know exactly when the OP sent the paypal payment.

I assume that you think that the OP is lying about his entire side of the story, right?

This thread should not be about the type of person the OP is, or about his previous dealings.

It should be about the facts of the single deal that the OP was originally talking about.

If the OP's side of the story is true, then the seller is very much in the wrong in this situation.

One thing that we do know for a fact is that someone was very rude and nasty about pointing out the fact that the refund was given.

Now I would like to know exactly how long the seller had the OP's money. Any facts to prove this?

We seen a screen shot of the refund. so what about a screen shot of exactly when the payment was made?

This will tell me if the OP's side of the story may have been true.

The only thing that should matter is the final agreed upon amount of money for the cue. If an agreement was not made, then the seller would not have given the OP his paypal email. The seller would have told the OP exactly how much to send the OP, or exactly how much to add for the shipping costs. This is the most confusing part of the story.
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Why are you getting so riled up about this?
 
BmoreMoney said:
No offense but it's no big surprise you don't understand. From what I've read so far, the op badgered the seller into a lower price. That by itself why ,a be not cool is ok. No one forced the seller to accept nor deal with this guy. So a deal is finally made. The op THEN not only shorts him 25 cents ( which is really no big deal but definitely a duck move ), but also does not pay the shipping as agreed. That's ot, deal over. Took a few days to get a refund...... have you ever dealt with a bank in regards to getting a refund or credit lolol. Not to mention; and this is just my opinion , I would not have faulted the seller if he deducted $25 or $50 as a " restocking fee " ( more so a you wasted too much of my time fee ) and if there were a problem I would have offered to resolve it in in person negotiations. With your track record Justin it's not surprising whom you are taking up for. But the rest of us in three real world KNOW that's not how you do business and often there's consequences when you try to operate like that.
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If the seller was not okay with the deal that both partied agreed upon, then the seller would not have given the OP his paypal email. Also, if the seller told the OP that he needed to add the shipping costs (not to mention the paypal fees) to the $400, then the seller would have stated exactly how much the shipping costs would be, and also would have stated the exact and total amount that the OP needed to send to him, before giving his paypal email. Maybe it was just confusion on the side of the OP. Maybe since the seller did not specify an amount for the shipping costs, then the OP thought that he only needed to pay the paypal fee (2.9% times 4, plus $0.30 does come to just under $12, which seems to be right, in the OP's calculation). So, it seems that the OP did get the amount of the fee correct. If the seller did not state the amount that he needed to add for the shipping costs, then why would the OP not assume that he only needed to add the amount for the paypal fee? This is all very confusing to me. Why would the seller have not told the OP the exact amount to send before giving the OP his paypal email?
 
BmoreMoney said:
Bro, why do YOU even care so much??? You're already known as bad business, do you think this somehow will absolve you? Lololol??? ( MOST ) of us here; and in life in general , know how to conduct themselves as well as their business. When once in awhile some twat comes along he is usually quickly outted and that's that.
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Again, you are going off topic. Can you please stay on topic? This is not about me, and should not be about the OP's previous dealings. This should be about right and wrong. It is not right to hold onto a persons money, lie to them about shipping an item out, and continue to sell an item (that has already been paid for). Not to mention being very rude and nasty about giving the refund (which was given possibly days later?).
 
justinb386 said:
If the seller was not okay with the deal that both partied agreed upon, then the seller would not have given the OP his paypal email. Also, if the seller told the OP that he needed to add the shipping costs (not to mention the paypal fees) to the $400, then the seller would have stated exactly how much the shipping costs would be, and also would have stated the exact and total amount that the OP needed to send to him, before giving his paypal email. Maybe it was just confusion on the side of the OP. Maybe since the seller did not specify an amount for the shipping costs, then the OP thought that he only needed to pay the paypal fee (2.9% times 4, plus $0.30 does come to just under $12, which seems to be right, in the OP's calculation). So, it seems that the OP did get the amount of the fee correct. If the seller did not state the amount that he needed to add for the shipping costs, then why would the OP not assume that he only needed to add the amount for the paypal fee? This is all very confusing to me. Why would the seller have not told the OP the exact amount to send before giving the OP his paypal email?
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US " normal folks " have a few words that describe the types of persons that conduct business this way. One is NIT. a couple others begin with J, and N. Just don't do it lol, if you can help yourself.
 
justinb386 said:
Again, you are going off topic. Can you please stay on topic? This is not about me, and should not be about the OP's previous dealings. This should be about right and wrong. It is not right to hold onto a persons money, lie to them about shipping an item out, and continue to sell an item (that has already been paid for). Not to mention being very rude and nasty about giving the refund (which was given possibly days later?).
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We already know you're " sensitive ", so beyond that did you read and understand the whole deal??
 
skip100 said:
Why are you getting so riled up about this?
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It just makes me really angry. People are attacking the OP, about stuff that is off topic, when they should be staying on topic, and getting to the bottom of why the OP created the thread in the 1st place.

Get the facts straight about the story. Collect all evidence needed, and then we will know for a fact who is lying and who is not. We will then know who was in the wrong in this situation.

But people who have an issue with the OP just have to chime in, and sway the thread into a completely different direction.

I see that this always happens on this forum.

Will things ever change here?

Will people ever stay on topic?
 
justinb386 said:
It just makes me really angry. People are attacking the OP, about stuff that is off topic, when they should be staying on topic, and getting to the bottom of why the OP created the thread in the 1st place.

Get the facts straight about the story. Collect all evidence needed, and then we will know for a fact who is lying and who is not. We will then know who was in the wrong in this situation.

But people who have an issue with the OP just have to chime in, and sway the thread into a completely different direction.

I see that this always happens on this forum.

Will things ever change here?

Will people ever stay on topic?
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Your inability to grasp the concept of "perception" is astounding here. Michael has been shady all over the place, that is topical to his complaint. If I come in ranting about someone in an act to deflect from my own misgivings, that should certainly be factored in.

Did you know in criminal trials, you get to use perception to shape your case?

You're a broken record screeching because people aren't limited to your narrow lens, the vast majority of the people in this conversation understand "nuance" and "information". It is all of a piece.
 
BmoreMoney said:
We already know you're " sensitive ", so beyond that did you read and understand the whole deal??
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Yes, I understood the negotiating part of the deal, but all of that does not matter. The fact is that they came to a final deal (which is the confusing part). It was either $400 plus shipping, $400 plus paypal fee, or $400 plus shipping and paypal fee. The seller should have never given the OP his paypal email until an exact amount was known to the buyer about the exact amount to send to the seller. "Okay, so you are to pay me exactly xxxx amount of money", and if we are in agreement, then I will give you my paypal email. Was the exact amount of the shipping costs ever mentioned by the seller before giving the paypal email? If not, then I can see why the agreed upon amount of money to be sent may have been confused. As far as the OP knew (if the amount of the shipping costs were not specified), then the OP may have thought only the paypal fee needed to be added.

And also, if the seller was not okay with the deal agreed upon, then he should not have giving the OP his paypal email.

Has anyone figured out exactly how long the seller had the OP's $412? Was it hours, or days? You all love screen shots, so where is the screen shots from the buyer and seller to prove all of this?
 
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ideologist said:
Your inability to grasp the concept of "perception" is astounding here. Michael has been shady all over the place, that is topical to his complaint. If I come in ranting about someone in an act to deflect from my own misgivings, that should certainly be factored in.

Did you know in criminal trials, you get to use perception to shape your case?

You're a broken record screeching because people aren't limited to your narrow lens, the vast majority of the people in this conversation understand "nuance" and "information". It is all of a piece.
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I am sorry, yeah, it is true, I do not understand many of the words that you just said.

This thread should not be about the OP though. This thread should be about getting down to the facts about what happened in the deal that the OP created this thread about.

If the seller did in fact hold onto the OP's money for days, lie about shipping the cue, and continue to try to get better offers for the cue, then that is just not right (no matter what type of person he was doing that to).

Can we at least agree on that last part?

Thanks.
 
justinb386 said:
Yes, I understood the negotiating part of the deal, but all of that does not matter. The fact is that they came to a final deal (which is the confusing part). It was either $400 plus shipping, $400 plus paypal fee, or $400 plus shipping and paypal fee. The seller should have never given the OP his paypal email until an exact amount was known to the buyer about the exact amount to send to the seller. "Okay, so you are to pay me exactly xxxx amount of money", and if we are in agreement, then I will give you my paypal email. Was the exact amount of the shipping costs ever mentioned by the seller before giving the paypal email? If not, then I can see why the agreed upon amount of money to be sent may have been confused. As far as the OP knew (if the amount of the shipping costs were not specified), then the OP may have thought only the paypal fee needed to be added.

And also, if the seller was not okay with the deal agreed upon, then he should not have giving the OP his paypal email.

Has anyone figured out exactly how long the seller had the OP's $412? Was it hours, or days? You all love screen shots, so where is the screen shots from the buyer and seller to prove all of this?
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Justin,
He shorted him 25 cents and then decided he had had enough. It was 400 shipped and he sent him 399.75 so he issued a refund. All you have to do is go back through the thread and see when he was issued a refund, it's right there in this thread.
 
for the nuance-challenged:

say Charles Manson posted here complaining that for the last 3 days in a row he found a dead bug in his cafeteria food.

Normally, I would be appaulled; I might even try to intervene on old Charlie's behalf because that just doesn't seem right.

But then it occurs to me, hey wait a minute, didn't Charlie take part in the butchering of a lot of innocent people? Why yes he did.

Then I think, fvvk Charlie, he can eat bugs.

best,
brian kc
 
justinb386 said:
I am sorry, yeah, it is true, I do not understand many of the words that you just said.

This thread should not be about the OP though. This thread should be about getting down to the facts about what happened in the deal that the OP created this thread about.

If the seller did in fact hold onto the OP's money for days, lie about shipping the cue, and continue to try to get better offers for the cue, then that is just not right (no matter what type of person he was doing that to).

Can we at least agree on that last part?

Thanks.
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By your ridiculous logic, I could come on here and post anything and people should just stay on topic of what I said. Regardless if true or not, and without any context.

I can’t figure out if you’re the worlds best internet troll or just stupid.
 
Rusty Melton said:
Justin,
He shorted him 25 cents and then decided he had had enough. It was 400 shipped and he sent him 399.75 so he issued a refund. All you have to do is go back through the thread and see when he was issued a refund, it's right there in this thread.
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Is there no possibility that if the seller did only receive $399.75, that it was an honest mistake by the OP? The math does not seem to add up to over $12 for the fees though, as the OP stated. Paypal only adds 30 cents after the 2.9% of the $400, so how does that add up to over $12?

Yes, I see when the refund was issued, but when exactly was the payment made? How long did the seller have the OP's money before he sent the refund? Did I miss the screen shot of this somewhere?
 
Kickin' Chicken said:
for the nuance-challenged:

say Charles Manson posted here complaining that for the last 3 days in a row he found a dead bug in his cafeteria food.

Normally, I would be appaulled; I might even try to intervene on old Charlie's behalf because that just doesn't seem right.

But then it occurs to me, hey wait a minute, didn't Charlie take part in the butchering of a lot of innocent people? Why yes he did.

Then I think, fvvk Charlie, he can eat bugs.

best,
brian kc
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Lol, that is a horrible example. If the OP was that bad of a person (and that dishonest), then it would show in his iTrader feedback.
 
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