Beware Of This Ebay Seller

Number 1. I'm not speaking of whether or not the buyer waited too long or not. I'm not even talking about this or any other buyer. I'm talking about the seller's methods. Period. Maybe the buyer is an idiot, thats a different thread.

Number 2. If I want a cue case with my cue, I'll expect to look it up separately. Menus are clearly listed as either Dinners or Ala Carte and they are choices not subversions.

The logic is consistent. How do the people at Stop and Shop pay their help? Doesn't that store need to make a profit? When you checkout your can of corn you don't have to worry about the cost of their handling being added above and beyond the listed cost of the product.


You guys are obviously stretching here to attempt justify what is clearly, an added step by the seller to confuse what could be made simpler.

Figure out how much you have to make to sell the @%$# thing and list it. What the hell, are they embarrassed to just show the full price?

What about the hundreds of sellers who don't pad the shipping and handling on Ebay? Don't they have to make a profit also? What makes them different besides honesty and integrity?

Give me a break.
 
3andstop said:
Number 1. I'm not speaking of whether or not the buyer waited too long or not. I'm not even talking about this or any other buyer. I'm talking about the seller's methods. Period. Maybe the buyer is an idiot, thats a different thread.

Number 2. If I want a cue case with my cue, I'll expect to look it up separately. Menus are clearly listed as either Dinners or Ala Carte and they are choices not subversions.

The logic is consistent. How do the people at Stop and Shop pay their help? Doesn't that store need to make a profit? When you checkout your can of corn you don't have to worry about the cost of their handling being added above and beyond the listed cost of the product.


You guys are obviously stretching here to attempt justify what is clearly, an added step by the seller to confuse what could be made simpler.

Figure out how much you have to make to sell the @%$# thing and list it. What the hell, are they embarrassed to just show the full price?

What about the hundreds of sellers who don't pad the shipping and handling on Ebay? Don't they have to make a profit also? What makes them different besides honesty and integrity?

Give me a break.
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Since you are the only one confused about a legitimate practice,I will give you a break and quit chopping your arguments up with common sense. The big hint that the guy was right all along is the fact that the O/P has long since vamoosed and is cutting his embarassments. This thread and the other he started in the W/FS have been repuiated by most here. Yours is the lone voice trying to defend the indefenseable.
 
hangemhigh said:
Since you are the only one confused about a legitimate practice,I will give you a break and quit chopping your arguments up with common sense. The big hint that the guy was right all along is the fact that the O/P has long since vamoosed and is cutting his embarassments. This thread and the other he started in the W/FS have been repuiated by most here. Yours is the lone voice trying to defend the indefenseable.
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Thank you. I do wish however you would "chop my arguments" with an answer.

What about the hundreds of sellers who don't pad the shipping and handling on Ebay? Don't they have to make a profit also? What makes them different besides honesty and integrity?
 That was not a rhetorical question. How is it that all these business folks are able to make a profit without padding the price?
 
This is actually done by many resturants. They ask if you would want items that do not come with the meal. They ask in a manner as if giving you a choice of which one you want not telling you the items are extra.

hangemhigh said:
Likewise,you don't wait a couple of months to complain to the Chef about it either.
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selling widgets

I am not currently marketing widgets however if there is a demand I will do so. I did put together some fairly realistic numbers for a widget business, among other things showing how easily $29.05 could be far from padding shipping and handling.

Hu


I sell widgets. I sell one thousand widgets a month. I order the components for my widgets, assemble them, warehouse them, and ship them out.

The components to make each widget cost $66.30 delivered.

It costs me $1500 a month for my small warehouse.

I employ two workers. The real cost of employing these workers including insurance, SS, and wages is $5200 a month.

The real cost of the packaging and shipping each widget is $22 each, $22000 a month.

I wish to net $5000 a month, a modest 5% profit on 1000 of my $100 widgets.

I have to get $100 each for my widgets including shipping and handling.

Here are some of my options:

A. Offer free shipping and handling to entice customers and let them pay an e-bay commission on the total price including shipping and handling. (what they don't see can't hurt me!)

B. Charge a reduced artificial flat rate for shipping, again to entice customers.

C. Charge only shipping.

D. Charge shipping and a small handling fee, less than actual costs but it keeps customers happy.

E. Calculate the real cost of handling the components that come into my shop, warehousing them, and packaging them for shipping and charge this actual cost plus shipping.

F. Charge $25 for my widgets and $75 shipping and handling to cheat e-bay out of some of their commission.

Which of these options is most fair to all concerned?

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
I am not currently marketing widgets however if there is a demand I will do so. I did put together some fairly realistic numbers for a widget business, among other things showing how easily $29.05 could be far from padding shipping and handling.

Hu


I sell widgets. I sell one thousand widgets a month. I order the components for my widgets, assemble them, warehouse them, and ship them out.

The components to make each widget cost $66.30 delivered.

It costs me $1500 a month for my small warehouse.

I employ two workers. The real cost of employing these workers including insurance, SS, and wages is $5200 a month.

The real cost of the packaging and shipping each widget is $22 each, $22000 a month.

I wish to net $5000 a month, a modest 5% profit on 1000 of my $100 widgets.

I have to get $100 each for my widgets including shipping and handling.

Here are some of my options:

A. Offer free shipping and handling to entice customers and let them pay an e-bay commission on the total price including shipping and handling. (what they don't see can't hurt me!)

B. Charge a reduced artificial flat rate for shipping, again to entice customers.

C. Charge only shipping.

D. Charge shipping and a small handling fee, less than actual costs but it keeps customers happy.

E. Calculate the real cost of handling the components that come into my shop, warehousing them, and packaging them for shipping and charge this actual cost plus shipping.

F. Charge $25 for my widgets and $75 shipping and handling to cheat e-bay out of some of their commission.

Which of these options is most fair to all concerned?

Hu
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Well written, and a very simple question to answer.

Fact #1 You will ultimately have to charge what you have to charge to make your living no matter how you mix the numbers. The bottom line is the bottom line.

Fact #2 You have two ways to present your product. (a) By a means that appears to to be cheaper than your competitors at first glance, but really isn't, but may fool a few sleepers if you're lucky, or (b) in the simplest, plainest, most straight forward way for your customers to understand their final cost. (which as we all know is already established in the sales quotient.) Keeping in mind, when you choose, that in the past others have questioned your S&H fees.

The answer ... Your business ethics, or lack there of, will determine between choice (a) or (b). :)
 
ShootingArts said:
I am not currently marketing widgets however if there is a demand I will do so. I did put together some fairly realistic numbers for a widget business, among other things showing how easily $29.05 could be far from padding shipping and handling.

Hu


I sell widgets. I sell one thousand widgets a month. I order the components for my widgets, assemble them, warehouse them, and ship them out.

The components to make each widget cost $66.30 delivered.

It costs me $1500 a month for my small warehouse.

I employ two workers. The real cost of employing these workers including insurance, SS, and wages is $5200 a month.

The real cost of the packaging and shipping each widget is $22 each, $22000 a month.

I wish to net $5000 a month, a modest 5% profit on 1000 of my $100 widgets.

I have to get $100 each for my widgets including shipping and handling.

Here are some of my options:

A. Offer free shipping and handling to entice customers and let them pay an e-bay commission on the total price including shipping and handling. (what they don't see can't hurt me!)

B. Charge a reduced artificial flat rate for shipping, again to entice customers.

C. Charge only shipping.

D. Charge shipping and a small handling fee, less than actual costs but it keeps customers happy.

E. Calculate the real cost of handling the components that come into my shop, warehousing them, and packaging them for shipping and charge this actual cost plus shipping.

F. Charge $25 for my widgets and $75 shipping and handling to cheat e-bay out of some of their commission.

Which of these options is most fair to all concerned?

Hu
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Hu,
If you do not at some point work for free,I know some people will think you are a decieving scumbag theif! LOL
 
hangemhigh said:
Hu,
If you do not at some point work for free,I know some people will think you are a decieving scumbag theif! LOL
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Hangemhigh, you answered this post but neglected to answer my question. BTW, I never used the words deceiving or thief, did you think those up on your own? :D
 
kaznj said:
When the Sardo racks first came out they were selling for something like $150. I saw one on ebay for $10. No reserve, just $10. I knew this could not be real. I looked and looked at the add just to see what I was missing. It took me a while to finally see that s/h was $150.
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You're right, that was quite an "add" wasn't it? :D
 
I'm sure that listing was made in the true spirit of ethical advertising. I mean, if you lived near by I'm sure you could have walked over and picked it up for 10 bucks. :)
 
what is written is "LAW", no matter how absurb it maybe. if you dont agree with it, then hire yourself a good lawyer who thinks and believes that he can win you the case. anyway, whether you win or lose, the lawyer is grateful for your donation.
 
There is another guy on ebay who charges about twice what the actual shipping is/would be.

$24.30 to ship a 2x2 case priority??

http://cgi.ebay.com/2x2-CUE-CASE-cu...k-billiard-BK_W0QQitemZ320218590876QQihZ011QQ

BUT he is doing this as a business, so you have to figure in boxes, packing material, tape, and the time/labor to box it. I am pretty sure he doesn't have to take anything to the post office though.

Is he ripping people off, NO

He is just trying to make a living

Bottom line, it is up to YOU, as a thinking consumer, to look at ALL the costs before bidding/buying to see if what you are about to pay is a good deal or not.
 
I do business and deal with business people. I don't expect to just earn 1 dollar but try to maximize my profit as high as I can and as long as the consumer would buy my product. I sometimes give some stuff for free of charge and sometimes charge. it's not personal but business. true, it's not a pretty sight. you are not here to make friends, you are here to do business.


from my experience, I do get overcharged whether it is from my credit card bills or from black market stuffs which have no fix value. I don't complain unless it is necessary, like if the product is defective or were out of the terms of the agreement. if the seller sold me a stuff and later found out there is someone else selling it for a very much cheaper price, I don't go on and complain to the guy or sourgrape about it. the guy needs to feed himself and his family. just be happy for what you bought. it's only a one time offer.

I'll be glad that I found another person who sells at a much lower price to deal with the next time around. that's how you learn and treat business. finding the right person to deal.
 
This might be the dumbest thread I've ever seen on here. For all that are saying the seller did something wrong, you must be on crack. Everything was clearly in front of the buyer. If you want lower shipping then buy from another seller. I can't stand people that say "your shipping is too high". Well don't buy the item! How hard is that?
 
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