Beware Of This Ebay Seller

3andstop said:
I don't care if its cue sticks, clothing, furniture, golf balls or any other damned thing. IMO, scumbags like this feed on folks who innocently assume honesty in sales practice. If you can't sell something competitively by listing the price and including whatever profit margin you need, then sell something else.

Sure it said ground, sure he should have seen that, and sure, sure, sure, for all the lame excuses for anyone selling anything and resorting to these tactics.

You have a stick that you can purchase from your supplier and sell at a competitive price, then do it. You need to make money for handling in order to stay in business? No problem, do it. In the price of the merchandise. Not by baiting buyers who are less than totally observant.

Ebay is loaded with unscrupulous sellers who will do whatever it takes to get their item sold. One of the most common practices is just this. Lower your price to get attention and then pad it on the other end.

If some don't see this as an unethical practice, then they are simply dancing to the beat of a different moral standard than I.

One doesn't even need to go to the page where an item is listed to find out how much the shipping to a particular zip code will be, it's right on the freaking listing page for all the items that come up after a search.

Gimme a break...
 
3andstop said:
I don't care if its cue sticks, clothing, furniture, golf balls or any other damned thing. IMO, scumbags like this feed on folks who innocently assume honesty in sales practice. If you can't sell something competitively by listing the price and including whatever profit margin you need, then sell something else.

Sure it said ground, sure he should have seen that, and sure, sure, sure, for all the lame excuses for anyone selling anything and resorting to these tactics.

You have a stick that you can purchase from your supplier and sell at a competitive price, then do it. You need to make money for handling in order to stay in business? No problem, do it. In the price of the merchandise. Not by baiting buyers who are less than totally observant.

Ebay is loaded with unscrupulous sellers who will do whatever it takes to get their item sold. One of the most common practices is just this. Lower your price to get attention and then pad it on the other end.

If some don't see this as an unethical practice, then they are simply dancing to the beat of a different moral standard than I.

Some have Moral standards that say dancing is wrong. The whole point is lost when he complains about being wronged by the seller,when he is the one who let himself down by not paying attention. If he takes the position of no culpability because of an assumption,then he further proves his disregard for his own wellbeing.
 
hangemhigh said:
Some have Moral standards that say dancing is wrong. The whole point is lost when he complains about being wronged by the seller,when he is the one who let himself down by not paying attention. If he takes the position of no culpability because of an assumption,then he further proves his disregard for his own wellbeing.


The post was not intended to prove the buyers lack of attention was either acceptable or not acceptable.

Regardless, bottom line is these kinds of sellers are intentionally attempting to fool buyers. Whether the buyer was negligent in his reading of the auction or not, has nothing to do with the point. Two wrongs don't make a right, and that is the point of the sellers actions. They are wrong and unscrupulous regardless.
 
You gotta be sure of your total costs before you pull the trigger.

I can't count the #of cds I have bought off flea-bay, paid $3+ for shipping and the item arrives with a couple of stamps on it. Seems SOP for s/h charges to be used to make the $.
 
3andstop said:
The post was not intended to prove the buyers lack of attention was either acceptable or not acceptable.

Regardless, bottom line is these kinds of sellers are intentionally attempting to fool buyers. Whether the buyer was negligent in his reading of the auction or not, has nothing to do with the point. Two wrongs don't make a right, and that is the point of the sellers actions. They are wrong and unscrupulous regardless.

You are only fooling yourself. He CLEARLY states all costs up front. There is no deception on his part. If he feels he should charge something more for handling and states this CLEARLY in his auction,he is being honest and upfront.
 
daniel said:
When I bought the cue last year he didn't specify ground. Only stated fed ex shipping..Even so, 29.95 for Fed Ex ground is beyond acceptable business practice.

you should have inquired further. the first time I joined and bought at eBay, the first thing I did was to know the total costs and terms of the deal and shipment charges. my inquiry also included how long would it take for my shipment to arrive.

I may say that what you did was a buyer's error. probably due to inexperience from such business dealings.welcome to the real world buddy ! ;) ;) ;)
 
price of a flight

gobrian77 said:
I get cues shipped to me in Thailand for only a few bucks more than that.

A nephew is in Starkville Mississippi. To come to New Orleans it will cost him $450 to fly; VIA Atlanta of course. To fly to Atlanta would have cost him $448. I told him to hitchhike to Atlanta and I'd cover the two dollar flight here! :D :D :D

The point being that the price of shipping sometimes makes as much sense. Also, just because someone lumps handling into the purchase price of an item doesn't mean that the buyer isn't paying it, he just doesn't see it. Fairer in my mind to break handling out, pay it up front, and not pay a commission on it.

Hu
 
Klopek said:
The practice is called "Ebay Fee Circumvention". Ebay doesn't charge user fees on shipping costs, so in order to re-coop some of the money lost to listing & closing fees, the seller boosts his shipping costs. In the end, if you knew the shipping cost going in, don't cry about it later. Seller was just making sure he didn't have to dig into his own pocket to ship to you.

QFT.

I bought some poker chips on ebay - tons of different prices. some High with Low S/H, and some Low with S/H. All were the same number of chips w/case. All the same weight. Ended up getting a set considered to be Low Price with High S/H because it was the best deal. Am I going to complain about how the S/H was high. Absolutely not. Why? because I read the S/H , agreed to it, and understand that the guy needs to make a buck too. If he needs to shelter his profit by circumventing the EBay fee, so be it. I got a good set of chips at a fair price and the seller makes a sale.

"Reading is Fundamental" folks. Who would of thunk it?
 
I wonder if we should have a NEW separate Form call E-bay Crook of the week.
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Al there E-bay warnings makes one want to not shop e-bay.
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3andstop said:
The post was not intended to prove the buyers lack of attention was either acceptable or not acceptable.

Regardless, bottom line is these kinds of sellers are intentionally attempting to fool buyers. Whether the buyer was negligent in his reading of the auction or not, has nothing to do with the point. Two wrongs don't make a right, and that is the point of the sellers actions. They are wrong and unscrupulous regardless.

Having looked very carefully at the web page in question, I don't see any telltale signs of attempting to fool anybody.

If a listing is misleading, then raising a stink with eBay is the way to go...

And of course, leaving scathing negative feedback about the seller may well be called for, too.

Flex
 
When the Sardo racks first came out they were selling for something like $150. I saw one on ebay for $10. No reserve, just $10. I knew this could not be real. I looked and looked at the add just to see what I was missing. It took me a while to finally see that s/h was $150.
 
kaznj said:
When the Sardo racks first came out they were selling for something like $150. I saw one on ebay for $10. No reserve, just $10. I knew this could not be real. I looked and looked at the add just to see what I was missing. It took me a while to finally see that s/h was $150.

This is exactly my point. This has always been one of my pet peeves about Ebay sellers and it pisses me off, so I have to say this.

If the thread was asking an opinion of whether or not the buyer was foolish to not pay attention to the simple math required to determine the total cost, then absolutely I'd have to agree that he was.

The penalty for walking by a building and inadvertently flicking your smoked cigarette on the ground nearby and causing a fire, carries a different penalty than walking up to the building with a can of gasoline and a book of matches and intentionally lighting the building on fire.

Lets just say you would call the buyer unconsciously negligent and ignorant. Keyword unconsciously.

On the other hand, in every one of these type sales, the seller is very consciously aware that splitting the cost up can be, and is, at the VERY LEAST more confusing and misleading than NOT splitting it. This is clearly evidenced by kaznj's post, which I quoted, explaining how he also had to look deeper for what should have been a simply expressed total price.

In the spirit of that thought alone, why would anyone take the extra measure to add some degree of confusion to their sale? What, to save an extra 20 cents in ebay fees. No, it's the conscious motive behind the act that makes it unethical. Not the fact that it's easy to see.

I think one poster called it "a move". It doesn't matter if its a good move, an effective move, or an obvious no count move, its a move.

If you're not good enough to step up and simply play the game, and you have to resort to moves to make a winner, then in my book you're a scumbag and I hope to hell this seller and everyone like him reads this thread to boot!

Ya know, before a seller actually posts these inflated shipping and handling fees, they actually have to have the mindset to think of doing it. That, in and of itself, is something an ethical person wouldn't even consider.
 
3andstop said:
This is exactly my point. This has always been one of my pet peeves about Ebay sellers and it pisses me off, so I have to say this.

If the thread was asking an opinion of whether or not the buyer was foolish to not pay attention to the simple math required to determine the total cost, then absolutely I'd have to agree that he was.

The penalty for walking by a building and inadvertently flicking your smoked cigarette on the ground nearby and causing a fire, carries a different penalty than walking up to the building with a can of gasoline and a book of matches and intentionally lighting the building on fire.

Lets just say you would call the buyer unconsciously negligent and ignorant. Keyword unconsciously.

On the other hand, in every one of these type sales, the seller is very consciously aware that splitting the cost up can be, and is, at the VERY LEAST more confusing and misleading than NOT splitting it. This is clearly evidenced by kaznj's post, which I quoted, explaining how he also had to look deeper for what should have been a simply expressed total price.

In the spirit of that thought alone, why would anyone take the extra measure to add some degree of confusion to their sale? What, to save an extra 20 cents in ebay fees. No, it's the conscious motive behind the act that makes it unethical. Not the fact that it's easy to see.

I think one poster called it "a move". It doesn't matter if its a good move, an effective move, or an obvious no count move, its a move.

If you're not good enough to step up and simply play the game, and you have to resort to moves to make a winner, then in my book you're a scumbag and I hope to hell this seller and everyone like him reads this thread to boot!

Ya know, before a seller actually posts these inflated shipping and handling fees, they actually have to have the mindset to think of doing it. That, in and of itself, is something an ethical person wouldn't even consider.


You keep saying the Seller in the original post did something wrong. He did not. He charged the buyer to PACK and ship his cue. He stated it before hand and there was absolutly no deception. I do not work for free,and it is completely legitimate for the seller to charge for shipping and HANDLING what he deems necessary. He is not a scumbag,theif,or any other slanderous name you may call him. The original poster did a hit piece on a legitimate seller,something that is happening too many times here.

You go from Morals to Ethics,all the while you have failed to understand that some people do not work for free. You display a complete lack of both by bashing this person for no reason.
 
When you go to a restaurant to buy a steak dinner and the cost is 25 bucks, you don't have to hunt around the damned menu to see if they charge for cooking it.
 
3andstop said:
When you go to a restaurant to buy a steak dinner and the cost is 25 bucks, you don't have to hunt around the damned menu to see if they charge for cooking it.

Likewise,you don't wait a couple of months to complain to the Chef about it either.
 
3andstop said:
When you go to a restaurant to buy a steak dinner and the cost is 25 bucks, you don't have to hunt around the damned menu to see if they charge for cooking it.

True, but you might want to check the fine print to see if the baked potato, soup and salad are included.
 
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