BHQ Brunswick conversion

Bishop said:
I don't agree with his practice of business. I feel compelled to help you understand my side of the story because I think there is a lot more to it than "he beat you to it".
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Thats going to happen a lot. Its a freedom in America last I heard. Its along the lines of "if you dont like the way I do business then get the heck out of my bar". It might not be the way you do business but its still allowed.

He might not have liked the way you offered him a low offer. TO ME that might be construed as offensive. Personally I would rather sell a cue to someone I liked rather than someone who offended me trying to low-ball or nickel and dime me causing more work in counteroffers and counters to the counter offer etc.

Vic
 
ridewiththewind said:
Like I said, I am not picking on anyone here. However, as a scenario:

I list a cue for sale, and I get an offer from JoeBlow NewGuy that I do not recognize for the amount asked for, and then I get an offer from say, Jazz (as an example) for a few dollars less....I am going to make the deal with Jazz. Why? Because he is a long time member, with an outstanding reputation, and I feel a bit more comfortable doing a deal with him, than someone I know nothing about.

We have so many new members here, and listing cues for sale, and a LOT more deals going south. The entire purpose of this forum was as a safe/comfortable haven from eBay. But, unfortunately, there seems to be more and more of the eBay mentality pervading this forum...which is a shame. It is making ME less and less inclined to deal with secondary market cues......preferring, instead, to just put the money in the cuemakers' pockets from the get-go.

I have no inside knowledge of how this particular deal was handled, and I am not going to speculate. It may have been handled well, or not so well...I do not know. I am just addressing the issue of 'entitlement' in general. After seeing this happen a few times, I just happened to pick this thread to sound off in, is all.

I will apologize for hi-jacking John's thread...and perhaps should have addressed this in a separate thread. Perhaps I will.

Lisa
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I totally agree with what you are saying but thats not how it went down.

You said in your example

"I list a cue for sale, and I get an offer from JoeBlow NewGuy that I do not recognize for the amount asked for, and then I get an offer from say, Jazz (as an example) for a few dollars less....I am going to make the deal with Jazz."

Now its fine to not recognize JoeBlow NewGuy but surely you wouldn't make an offer to him and not follow through. Because he simply didn't look me over he made me an offer knowing I had funds waiting and then after I accepted his offer he told me no and its not like I waited to respond to his offer I took within 12 minutes. I don't agree with that. Certainly its his right to do so but I don't agree with it. If you don't intend to follow through on your offers don't make them.
 
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vicdotcom said:
Thats going to happen a lot. Its a freedom in America last I heard. Its along the lines of "if you dont like the way I do business then get the heck out of my bar". It might not be the way you do business but its still allowed.

He might not have liked the way you offered him a low offer. TO ME that might be construed as offensive. Personally I would rather sell a cue to someone I liked rather than someone who offended me trying to low-ball or nickel and dime me causing more work in counteroffers and counters to the counter offer etc.

Vic
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I won't argue that. I'm wrong you are right. Do business how you please I will avoid this in the future. A mans word truely means nothing because hey its America and if you don't like me going back on my word or my offer then get the hell out of my bar. No problem.

I'll make this very clear right now. If I ever make someone an offer I will never go back on it. I don't do business any way I please I'll do it with integrity and honesty.
 
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I understand what you are saying. And I do not think that my point is any more or less valid than yours. Bottom line is, however, until the funds are accepted and the cue is in a packing container with a buyer's name addressed on it...the seller controls all the strings. Just the way it is.

I look at it this way.....if I miss out on a cue deal, for whatever reason, then I see it as it just was not meant to be, for me. Sometimes that works out to be a good thing. Often, there are forces in motion that keep us from being our own worst enemy...lol.

Lisa -----------> who has been VERY fortunate.
 
Well I'm glad that you understand what I'm saying. Because I never said he was forced to do something he didn't want to do with the cue. He can stick it up his *ss and its none of my business but what I was putting into question was his integrity and honesty in doin business...his character. We shouldn't say something if we don't have any intention of following through just because we can say it without reprocussion.

I realize that there is no standard of decency left in this world and words don't mean what they once meant. Its not so much the cue as this has progressed but the fact that so many people have come to accept that doing people wrong is just the stroke of the brush rather than be offended by it.
 
I'll make this very clear right now. If I ever make someone an offer I will never go back on it. I don't do business any way I please I'll do it with integrity and honesty.
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You are so honest and full of integrity that you tried to get John to back out of selling the cue to me(after i paid him for it) and sell it you behind my back as long as it was kept between you and him.You even offered him more money to do so.It seems like John may be the one with the integrity and not you.
 
Character

I agree and disagree with alot of things that have been said. I will say, that when I give an offer to someone and someone else sends me an offer after that, I let them know that I have someone that has the first shot at it. However, I may make the offer to more than one person, but it would be along the lines of "I will sell it for X amount, but I do have someone else that has first shot and if they pass on it, you are next in line."

Now, I don't know if that's smart or not, but it hasn't caused any problems with the deals I have done. I will say that I think everyone is getting too heated over the matter. We all understand that someone thought they were supposed to get it, yet found out that it had already been sold. In all reality, this seems to be a simple miscommunication and has shown up as a difference in business ethics.

I don't have opinions as to who is right/wrong. I am just saying that I understand both sides, but there is always that factor where people don't see things the same way. It is definitely a luxury to have the cuemaker of this particular cue on this forum in order to have a cue similar or even better made to your own specifications. That may not have been the ideal answer, but hey....at least it can be resolved for an even better option with everyone getting a cue they like and everyone getting money for the cue they sell. This can easily turn into a win-win situation.
 
masonh said:
You are so honest and full of integrity that you tried to get John to back out of selling the cue to me(after i paid him for it) and sell it you behind my back as long as it was kept between you and him.You even offered him more money to do so.It seems like John may be the one with the integrity and not you.
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Jesus Christ. I already told you that I did not intend to steal the cue from someone but because I figured he screwed me over even though I responded first so he could make a little extra on someone else. Pretty easy assumption to make. By keeping it quite it keeps him from looking like a liar while I cover his difference so he isn't out the money since he said he really needed money bad.

It looked to me like I had responded first and he sold to someone later to make a little more. I was just giving him a chance to make it right if that was true.
 
Might work and it might not. I don't mind arguing this weeks on end. I find it entertaining during the slow times here at work.
 
thanks guys
nothing quite like free publicity :)
next time i get one of those old brunswicks ,
just might be a price hike :eek: ​
 
BHQ said:
thanks guys
nothing quite like free publicity :)
next time i get one of those old brunswicks ,
just might be a price hike :eek: ​
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$375 for that cue, one shaft.
 
only $175.that other sneaky i got from you plays great by the way.like the buckhorn ferrule you put on that Purpleheart valley.
 
masonh said:
only $175.that other sneaky i got from you plays great by the way.like the buckhorn ferrule you put on that Purpleheart valley.
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thanks mason,
i thought you would like it also.
sometimes i hate giving a cue up ,
but, ain't much point in me keeping them.
hell, i'm playing less now than ever and i'm STILL behind schedules ​
 
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