BHQ Brunswick conversion

What I'm saying is that you said and I quote "With shipping best i can do is $175. Hope thats good enough for you. Thank you".

Then I replied within 12 minutes and I quote "Good enough for me. Send me your paypal addy and I'll send funds right away. What method of shipping will you use and how quickly can you ship for me? I prefer USPS but whatever you decide is fine with me. Thanks."

Then within those twelve minutes of your counter and my reply its magically sold to someone else and for the same price you offered me. All I'm saying is that I want to know who bought it since you said it wasn't Jazz who replied after I did. Not to mention I contacted you initially around 2pm in the afternoon and waited all afternoon for your response. I still want the cue so whoever it is thats getting it man up and I'll make an offer on it.

I'm not entirely looking for a fight here I'm looking to purchase the stick.
 
i bough the cue.i just looked at the times of the posts and PM's and i actaully beat you by 2 minutes not 1.it is the truth.
 
Sounds glorious, just out of curiosity how do you know you beat me by 2 minutes since you have no clue when I PM'd him.

I also posted on here at around 4:30 that I had paypal waiting. So if I had money waiting at 4:30 which I actually had much sooner as I initially contacted him at around 2pm and you beat me by one minute at 6:30 how exactly do you do the math on that?

Would you be interested in selling for a quick buck?
 
his post at 7:18 said cue still for sale.so i don't understand how you bought the cue at 2:00 or 4:30 if the cue is still for sale at 7:18.your next post of funds ready at 7:29 was 2 minutes after i bought the cue.maybe he didn't sell to you at 2:00 or 4:30 b/c you didn't meet the price or b/c you are such a nice guy.you do the math.
 
He posted that after he made me an offer but before I could ever respond to it.

Timeline for you

Around 2PM my initial contact

4:30PM I post that I have paypal waiting to please get back to me

7:16PM he responds "With shipping best i can do is $175. Hope thats good enough for you. Thank you"

7:18PM he posts here that he responded to my PM and cue was available....obviously I didn't respond in two minutes and no one else had picked it up.

7:28PM I sent him a response to his offer "Good enough for me. Send me your paypal addy and I'll send funds right away."

So did I not respond quick enough....why make me the offer knowing I have paypal waiting since the afternoon and then sell the cue inbetween the time he made a counter offer and I respond taking his offer.

Its not like I didn't get right back with him. He could have at least made you the offer stating he was still waiting for my response. An hour 30 minutes something. I didn't dick this guy around he gave me bottom dollar price and I responded within 12 minutes. Don't make an offer unless you are willing to honor it. He made the offer I responded very quickly.
 
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And further more I didn't buy the cue at 4:30 but I did say I had money waiting, I needed him to respond. Had he responded anytime sooner he would have had his money long before you showed up.

He shouldn't have made the offer to me and then sell the cue without waiting for my response or at the very least give me a half an hour or something.
 
mr. bishop if you wanted the cue so bad you should have met the price posted in the first place and not make low offers. i PM'd the lowered price to all who inquired in the order they inquired. masonh was the first to respond and yes he did beat you by a minute.

masonh, he wants the cue real bad. even offered me extra to retract my sale to you as long as i keep it between me and him. nice guy.

anyhow, cue is sold to masonh. it'll ship in before noon today. thank you.
 
I offered you extra money and to keep it quiet because I felt you were lying to me and I didn't want you to be embarrassed or feel you couldn't make things right. I assumed you made me an offer and them someone chimmed in with the asking 185 and you took it without waiting for my response. I also assumed when you make someone an offer you stand by it. I still don't entirely agree with your approach to business reguardless of how this went down. Nothing unethical or immoral about it. I wanted to make sure you got your money and I got the cue you offered to me rather than have you sell it out from under me over a few bucks. You did state that you were in need of money and then retracted you offer to me in less than 10 minutes of me accepting it. How does that not sound fishy? You're a real gem John.

I wish you both good luck. In the future you shouldn't make legitimate counter offers without having the ability to stand by them that in itself is unethical.

masonh enjoy your cue if ever wish to sell it him me up. I really liked it.
 
i only paid $175.that i show you know he didn't sell it out from under you for a few bucks.you were just 1-2 minutes late.i know you can't seem to grasp the concept but it is true.then you try to offer him more money to sell it to you under the table and cut me out.and now you want me to sell you the cue.wow.what a guy.
 
Did you not read what I wrote? I was giving him an out not trying to screw anyone over. What he was telling me didn't add up. The simple fact is that you don't send out legit counter offers to bunches of people and wait to see who shows up. Its not good business. He didn't say thats what he did he just said someone beat me to it which I found kinda silly because I had responded so quickly to what I felt was a legit offer. I had no idea he was making offers to bunches of people without having the ability to follow through. Who the hell does business like that?

I'm over it buddy. Glad you beat me to it and good luck. No hard feeling ok. I really hope other people don't find it acceptable to do business in that fashion.
 
masonh said:
i only paid $175.that i show you know he didn't sell it out from under you for a few bucks.you were just 1-2 minutes late.i know you can't seem to grasp the concept but it is true.then you try to offer him more money to sell it to you under the table and cut me out.and now you want me to sell you the cue.wow.what a guy.
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mason, ship the cue over to me when you're done ... don't give to this whiner here ... jeez.
 
Ok Kids :D
Settle Down
Everybody Is Getting A Cue
I've Got One In The Works For Bishop
Jazz Man, Talk To Me Whenever You Get A Chance.
I Always Have Something Around :)
 
Jazz,

i was going to post that exact same thing but i didn't want te get to harsh.i will definitely send it your way when i get ready.
 
Jazz said:
mason, ship the cue over to me when you're done ... don't give to this whiner here ... jeez.
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I'm whining because this dude sent out a bunch of offers to people with no intention of backing any of them up but one? Are you comfortable with that way of business?

I'm glad you objectively looked at this from all angles. More importantly I'm glad you chimmed in because this had everything to do with you. I'm sorry to have gotten in your way. You are an interweb God and I bow before your powers of getting this cue when the Free Mason is done. What was I thinking. I'll never do it again. Please don't hurt me or my little dog too.

Looking forward to the cue Brent.
 
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masonh said:
Jazz,

i was going to post that exact same thing but i didn't want te get to harsh.i will definitely send it your way when i get ready.
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My heart is broken you have the death of my heart on you hands.
 
I am not trying to pick on anyone here.....but am just confused, as to lately, where this sense of 'entitlement' is coming from?! :confused:

Until the seller decides to whom he wishes to do a deal with, the cue is his to dispose of as he wishes.

If I post a cue for sale here, I AM NOT OBLIGATED TO SELL TO THE FIRST OFFER/BIDDER! Freakin' hell, it's my cue, and I will sell to whom I feel the most comfortable dealing with....and it may not even be the best offer I get. Peace of mind is worth a lot to me too.

In my case, my cues are ALWAYS as described, or better. No hidden BS or games. Always well packed, and shipped in a timely manner, and I keep the lines of communication open, and provide ALL applicable shipping info to the buyer. I ask a fair dollar amount, and am willing to take less, to see it go to whom I deem will enjoy it at least as much as I have, within reason. I have had to date...NO dissatified buyers. I keep ALL offers silent, and never reveal who is first, second, etc. This avoids hurt feelings all the way around, should there be that much interest. I try to be very fair, and easy to work with....and always pleasant.

Until recently, I thought that was how it was generally done. I can tell you, that in my case, the minute someone places a demand upon me, making me feel obligated to sell to them, for whatever reason....I'm gonna dig my heels in like a mule, and they are just plain not gonna get themselves a cue from me.

Sorry if I ruffle any feathers here.....but it has gotten a bit ridiculous as of late, from what I can see. Just MY observations.

Lisa ----------> If I would have had the cash available, I would have made an immediate offer to purchase, at the price posted, as I felt that it was more than fair...and wouldn't have been willing to 'kill the deal' over a few dollars......sheesh.
 
Bishop said:
I'm whining because this dude sent out a bunch of offers to people with no intention of backing any of them up but one? Are you comfortable with that way of business?

I'm glad you objectively looked at this from all angles. More importantly I'm glad you chimmed in because this had everything to do with you. I'm sorry to have gotten in your way. You are an interweb God and I bow before your powers of getting this cue when the Free Mason is done. What was I thinking. I'll never do it again. Please don't hurt me or my little dog too.

Looking forward to the cue Brent.
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What happened to

"I'm over it buddy. Glad you beat me to it and good luck. No hard feeling ok"
 
Ok thanks for your opinion. If he wanted or expected to do business with someone else then why make me an offer, why bother? You're saying it was wrong to expect someone to stand behind an offer, at that point am I not to assume if I take his offer that we do business? And that makes sense to everyone here?

I will never make the mistake again thanks for the clarification.
 
Jazz said:
What happened to

"I'm over it buddy. Glad you beat me to it and good luck. No hard feeling ok"
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I already told you that you're the best what else do you need. You opened up your mouth about so I responded.

It would have been different had the guy posted "first 175 takes it" he made an offer directly to me and went a different way. I wasn't raised to do business like that, I found it offensive. I don't see why anyone else wouldn't. You don't make an offer to someone and not stand by it. If I did that to a customer of mine you could potentially be sued for false advertising. I don't agree with his practice of business. I feel compelled to help you understand my side of the story because I think there is a lot more to it than "he beat you to it".
 
Like I said, I am not picking on anyone here. However, as a scenario:

I list a cue for sale, and I get an offer from JoeBlow NewGuy that I do not recognize for the amount asked for, and then I get an offer from say, Jazz (as an example) for a few dollars less....I am going to make the deal with Jazz. Why? Because he is a long time member, with an outstanding reputation, and I feel a bit more comfortable doing a deal with him, than someone I know nothing about.

We have so many new members here, and listing cues for sale, and a LOT more deals going south. The entire purpose of this forum was as a safe/comfortable haven from eBay. But, unfortunately, there seems to be more and more of the eBay mentality pervading this forum...which is a shame. It is making ME less and less inclined to deal with secondary market cues......preferring, instead, to just put the money in the cuemakers' pockets from the get-go.

I have no inside knowledge of how this particular deal was handled, and I am not going to speculate. It may have been handled well, or not so well...I do not know. I am just addressing the issue of 'entitlement' in general. After seeing this happen a few times, I just happened to pick this thread to sound off in, is all.

I will apologize for hi-jacking John's thread...and perhaps should have addressed this in a separate thread. Perhaps I will.

Lisa
 
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