bid to make two matching cues

while ur post was informative and insightful i would like to point out again that he is not rushing anyone to make the cue. he wants to make a decision of who he should buy the cue from in a month. that is he wants to find his cuemaker by oct. he doesnt want the cue to be done by oct.
 
magix said:
the cue market is slow.there are a lot of great cue makers on this forum.here is my purposal.i will take bids for someone to build me two matching cues.the bidding will include price of both cues+ shipping and when the cue will be finished.this will serve as a tie breaker.on 9-22 the bidding will end,if there is a tie in price,i will let the bidders have two more days,if still tied on 10-1.the time to get me the cue will be the tie breaker.if still tied i will pick a name out of a hat.really.i will post the lowest bid each night,around 8 o'clock, just the bid and finished date.when i get the low bid that cue maker will receive the full amount on 10-2 by paypal.i want to buy the cue on 10-1 as that is my birthday.any help in keeping the post fresh will help. 1st cue-29in solid bacota,2 in ivory like butt cap.8 ivory like dashes 1/2 in up from the cap.1/2in long ivory capped flat faced joint with a 3/8-10 alumimum pin.8 ivory like dash rings 1/2 in below the joint.29in 13mm shaft with the best pro taper the cue maker likes.1/2in ivory shaft collar with 8 ivory like dashes 1/2 in above the collar.1/2in ivory ferrul with pad and a pressed triangle tip.the ivory joint will total 1in. 2nd cue-29in solid bacota with a 2in ivory like butt cap.a 1/2in ivory like joint with a stainless steel sleve,flat faced,3/8-10 stainless steel pin.the best break taper the cue maker likes.1/2in ivory like ferrul with a barringer break tip that i will provide,unless the maker has one.the shaft size to be 13.50mm.as close to 19oz as can be for both cues.as close to 4oz shafts as can be.when i receive the wining bid i will post the amount and the cuemaker,if he or she wants,upon receiving the cues i will give a report.all bids are to be sent to my pm box.i'm sure i forgot something.i'll use what i forgot to bump it up.sounds good to me.let the bidding begin.any? george
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Actually the cue market is not slow, regardless of what some may say. Im well ahead of last year and slightly ahead of the year before.

Im not interested in bidding for making your cues but a little advice if you care to read. If not, feel free to ignore.

1. You include "when the cue will be finished" as part of the bid. You're asking for trouble.
2. You say you will pay the "full amount" when you select the sucessful bidder. You're asking for trouble again.
3. "when i receive the wining bid i will post the amount and the cuemaker". If I was involved in the bidding I would be pretty PO'ed if you posted my bid. That information should stay between the buyer & the cuemaker.
4. A cuemaker that has been around for any time (if he has any common sense) will question several of the items you mention. You are not ready (with those specs) to accept bids.
5. From your post it seems your biggest concern is time & money. Does workmanship, reputation, or "on time" repoutation not mean anything?

Like I said, read or ignore. Just offering some advice.
 
Detlev Rackow said:
Hm, to each his own.

However, to me, waiting for the cue is something like looking forward to Christmas - having your own custom build is part of the fun, and rushing the maker would somehow reduce the custom's status to that of a production cue.

If price and availability are more a concern than having a word in the ongoing build process, then buying a Dominiak or even a regular production cue might be a better option. When I chose my cuemaker, I read a lot about the reputation of the "affordable" cuemakers and about their work. I have then contacted two cuemakers and found that their pricing scheme is not that far apart. However, dealing with them was entirely different: While one of them was too busy to answer my mails in a timely fashion, the other responded extremely fast. We fixed the general design (wood, number of points, number of inlays etc.) in one day and he was able to give me a price in one day. However, his backlog is 8-10 months, and the cue will be finished in November or later. That's fine with me, as the timespan gave him and me lots of opportunity to contemplate the design of the inlays. I gave him some samples of what I would like in the inlays, and he came up with his own design which fits my taste extremely well. The inlays were done as a prototype in a mock-up-butt, and as he found that the choice of colours left room for improvement, he interchanged the wood-selection for butt-sleeve and inlays, showing me both prototypes for approval.

After going through these experiences, I would never ever base my decision on the ETA, and (within reasonable limits) also not on the price.

Fwiw, I as a european customer, can't imaging going through this process with an american cuemaker without the benefit of e-mail. This design-process would not be possible without fast communication. Sending letters over the Atlantic to exchange ideas and pictures would simply not happen.

I may be wrong, and am - as always - trapped in my own opinions, but it would be interesting to learn other's opinions on this.

Regards,

Detlev
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No, you're not wrong at all. In fact you're right on target. Gotta give you a rep point for it too.
 
I see. Paid in Oct but completion date is part of the bid. I get it.

I do not have an issues, like I said, in bidding on the work but if the quotes/bids get made public, then there are problems. Silent bids are ok.

This is no different than if he wanted the roof on his house reshingled. Get a few quotes, find out the completion date and go with the "best" choice.
 
thanks again guys.the time it takes to make the cue is the tie breaker.i buy it on 10-1,pay on 10-2,wait for my cues.whats so hard?we do it on here every day just a diferent way.why wouldn't a cue maker want people to know what the price of these two cues are?to those concerned about my best interest,thanks.however i will buy two cues from a cuemaker on this forum for his or hers lowest price.i'm not rushing anyone.i will post the bid so everything is on the up and up.thats a good thing.i'm trying to get two cues made like i want and give some cuemaker some money.that don't sound bad to me.
 
making the bids known lets all cuemakers know if they want to get involved.i have one bid already.i will post it tonight.just the bid price,not the maker unless he or she wants me to, if it is the lowest
 
ratcues-what problems?if you have the low bid and other makers can't make it cheaper they know not to bid.again we on the forum do it every day.
 
TellsItLikeItIs said:
Actually the cue market is not slow, regardless of what some may say. Im well ahead of last year and slightly ahead of the year before.

Im not interested in bidding for making your cues but a little advice if you care to read. If not, feel free to ignore.

1. You include "when the cue will be finished" as part of the bid. You're asking for trouble.
2. You say you will pay the "full amount" when you select the sucessful bidder. You're asking for trouble again.
3. "when i receive the wining bid i will post the amount and the cuemaker". If I was involved in the bidding I would be pretty PO'ed if you posted my bid. That information should stay between the buyer & the cuemaker.
4. A cuemaker that has been around for any time (if he has any common sense) will question several of the items you mention. You are not ready (with those specs) to accept bids.
5. From your post it seems your biggest concern is time & money. Does workmanship, reputation, or "on time" repoutation not mean anything?

Like I said, read or ignore. Just offering some advice.
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This post is well thought out and excellent advice.

I would like to add, the custom cue making process should require interaction and counseling if you and your game are to get the most from it.

Chris
 
justabreak,whatever the cue maker gives.chris,yes no offense taken.rayjay,thanks.mike,thanks.joey.what do you think?why would he not want to sign it?varney,i have a cue coming from you,have i pressured you ?i set a date you said yes.i hope its on time.detlev and tellitlikeitis,thats how you should buy your cues.chris,thanks for your imput.and to danktrees you get it.i'm going to a tourny on the 21,22,23 of this month.i may not be able to post the low bid.
 
sorry that should be tate and detlev.tellitlikeitis,do you know any cue makers on here that don't have workmanship,and a good reputation.and yes time and money are importent,to me anyway.
 
magix said:
the cue market is slow.there are a lot of great cue makers on this forum.here is my purposal.i will take bids for someone to build me two matching cues.the bidding will include price of both cues+ shipping and when the cue will be finished.this will serve as a tie breaker.on 9-22 the bidding will end,if there is a tie in price,i will let the bidders have two more days,if still tied on 10-1.the time to get me the cue will be the tie breaker.if still tied i will pick a name out of a hat.really.i will post the lowest bid each night,around 8 o'clock, just the bid and finished date.when i get the low bid that cue maker will receive the full amount on 10-2 by paypal.i want to buy the cue on 10-1 as that is my birthday.any help in keeping the post fresh will help. 1st cue-29in solid bacota,2 in ivory like butt cap.8 ivory like dashes 1/2 in up from the cap.1/2in long ivory capped flat faced joint with a 3/8-10 alumimum pin.8 ivory like dash rings 1/2 in below the joint.29in 13mm shaft with the best pro taper the cue maker likes.1/2in ivory shaft collar with 8 ivory like dashes 1/2 in above the collar.1/2in ivory ferrul with pad and a pressed triangle tip.the ivory joint will total 1in. 2nd cue-29in solid bacota with a 2in ivory like butt cap.a 1/2in ivory like joint with a stainless steel sleve,flat faced,3/8-10 stainless steel pin.the best break taper the cue maker likes.1/2in ivory like ferrul with a barringer break tip that i will provide,unless the maker has one.the shaft size to be 13.50mm.as close to 19oz as can be for both cues.as close to 4oz shafts as can be.when i receive the wining bid i will post the amount and the cuemaker,if he or she wants,upon receiving the cues i will give a report.all bids are to be sent to my pm box.i'm sure i forgot something.i'll use what i forgot to bump it up.sounds good to me.let the bidding begin.any? george
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This was one of the hardest to read posts I have ever seen on this forum. Try breaking up different points or options on different lines, it would be much easier to read.

For example:

Wanted 2 Custom built pool cues.
1st Cue:
59" Length
2 - 13.5mm shafts, 4oz. or more
Leather wrap
etc...

2nd Cue:
58" Length, 20 oz.
2 - 13mm shafts, 4oz. or more
Linen wrap
etc...


I think the way you are going about this process, your are very likely to be disappointed in your cues. You are basing your determination on who is going to make your cues on price first and how quickly they can deliver second. This is a recipe for disaster, what stops an unknown guy from giving you the lowest bid, and two junk cues? I think this sounds like you might get someone who wants to learn how to make cues use you are a Guinea pig.

Then to top it all off you are offering the full payment before they even start making the cues, all cue makers that I have ever dealt with don't take any money until the cue is done. I could see sending them a deposit so that they know you will buy the cue when it is finished, but it doesn't make any sense to me to send them the entire amount upfront.

Good Luck, I hope everything goes well for you!
 
This makes me smile

Hey Mars Man,

Thank you, this post does bring a smile to my face :D
 
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