No offense intended but can you list the 15 world championships.... I'm not trying to be a knocker in any way but "world championship" is pretty strong mojo and I know it was a subjective term used by many as a promo strategy....
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No offense intended but can you list the 15 world championships.... I'm not trying to be a knocker in any way but "world championship" is pretty strong mojo and I know it was a subjective term used by many as a promo strategy....
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It's like the World Series being called a World Championship even though it's only contested among North American teams.
Back in the day many tournaments were considered defacto world championships because the whole world was "not barred".
As well a lot of Mosconi's "world titles" were actually challenge matches for the title like boxing.
So yes, things were much looser back then, prior to 1991 and the rise of the World Pool Association and their "official" World Championships.
In fact I think even now those who win the One Pocket and Banks at DCC consider themselves to be World Champions because there is no higher level event for those two disciplines.
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Locknload might be biased towards Buddy,but for good reason. I ran the 84 (worldnineballopen). We advertised for 4 mo. in The Billiard News and other media for everyone to come. I do not have a complete players list in front of me but a few players i remember were Buddy Hall ,Mike Sigel,Louie Roberts,Dave Matlock,Allen Hopkins,Keith McKready,Jimmy Reid,Daved Howard,Danny Medina,Richie Ambrose,Joe VILLIPPANDO,Dan Louie,Rich GIELER,Tom Spencer,Howard Vickery,Dallas West,Larry Hubbart Terry Bell,Dave Yager,Jeff Carter Benny Conway,Jon Shupet cant remember all 64 off the top off my head. BUT SOME SAID IT WASNT A MAJOR .But 63 others would have called it one .Just saying
Locknload might be biased towards Buddy,but for good reason. I ran the 84 (worldnineballopen). We advertised for 4 mo. in The Billiard News and other media for everyone to come. I do not have a complete players list in front of me but a few players i remember were Buddy Hall ,Mike Sigel,Louie Roberts,Dave Matlock,Allen Hopkins,Keith McKready,Jimmy Reid,Daved Howard,Danny Medina,Richie Ambrose,Joe VILLIPPANDO,Dan Louie,Rich GIELER,Tom Spencer,Howard Vickery,Dallas West,Larry Hubbart Terry Bell,Dave Yager,Jeff Carter Benny Conway,Jon Shupet cant remember all 64 off the top off my head. BUT SOME SAID IT WASNT A MAJOR .But 63 others would have called it one .Just saying
Lock seems to be quoting a guest called Billy Spann.
I would be very surprised if Willie ever went to Johnston City....
...he didn't approve of the pool hustler's convention.
Jimmy is my hero
I saw Jimmy bust some great players many times, their's also a very funny story about Jimmy in my book,, The Green Felt Jungle, while Jimmy was playing Scotty Townsend at my pool room in New Orleans "Racketeers ". God Bless you Jimmy, you will ALWAYS be one of my heroes ! Humphrey
I saw Jimmy bust some great players many times, their's also a very funny story about Jimmy in my book,, The Green Felt Jungle, while Jimmy was playing Scotty Townsend at my pool room in New Orleans "Racketeers ". God Bless you Jimmy, you will ALWAYS be one of my heroes ! Humphrey
Jimmy my friend
Jimmy my friend all politicians are whores! You were the best and you are the best. That can't be taken away from you.
Jimmy my friend all politicians are whores! You were the best and you are the best. That can't be taken away from you.
Yeah, Mosconi came to Johnston City. He brought his date with him, Queen Elizabeth.
Nikita Krushchev cancelled out at the last minute.
Beard
Nikita lost his nerve to gamble...from trying to out-stare my avatar.
:smile:
You think I might be biased a little bit! Maybe just a tiny bit..... I like Jimmy Reid too. How about that!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
Pt,
You really do have a great Avatar. And a great Lock Society name.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
Hey Jimmy,tell us how you really feel.....lol. Seriously though, I think you were always confident with your ability and if some saw it as cocky, then so be it, JMO. I remember my dad telling me that he ran in to you one time in West Palm Beach and I think the Tahoe tournament was coming up. He said that he asked you who was gonna win it and your answer was,,,, "me". Dad always told that story with a chuckle and it made me laugh,too.Nothing wrong with an "I'll take on all comers" attitude as far as we're concerned. He said he played a 6 ball ring game with you and someone else on a snooker table, the place may have been called 'The Cue Room'. This was maybe in the late seventies or early eighties. I also wanted you to know that I owned the " No Time for Negative" videos on VHS back in the early nineties. I let someone borrow them and never got them back, of course. I'll be prayin' for you Jimmy and I'll keep reading your threads, because they're very interesting.
How to determine who's best - HOF, $, What?
It seems to me that until pool rises above the disorganized fray, discussion about how good any given player was/is remains mired in too much subjectivity to resolve anything. So, questions:
- If $ won is to determine superiority, how can anyone ever know? I ask this because I've been around gambers as a profession and I can assure you that each and every one of them claim to be lifetime winners, despite substantive evidence (read poverty) to the contrary. Put simply, they have a tendency to remember winners and forget losers. Are we to rely on the fading memory of others?
- If tourney wins are to determine superiority, how can we know that either? There is no consistency with tourneys over time. The legends who won at Johnston City have no comparison - that tourney ended decades ago. As did the Stardust. As did many other. As will the US Open...:frown:. Other sports don't have this problem. The superbowl happens every year, as does the world series. The victors of those events are chronicled in the annals of history. Winners of pool tourneys are recorded...uh, where...the BCA? Wait, aren't they a trade organization now anyway???
And what of the women? I can't seem to see that they have a tour at all. Or a website either according to page 1 of a google search.
What is a pool fan to do? I can go to ONE event in Tunica, which is 8 hours away or so ONCE a year.. oh yeah, and the Derby...there is that at least. Pool on TV...nah. Pool at the pool rooom...they are dying out and the remaining one in my area is shitty, so I elect to stay at home.
All in all, pool can get kinda hard on anyone involved, whether at the "Pro" level or even as a hobby.
Well...lunch break is over, time to do some crediting of this, debiting of that...nice ramble, huh????
It seems to me that until pool rises above the disorganized fray, discussion about how good any given player was/is remains mired in too much subjectivity to resolve anything. So, questions:
- If $ won is to determine superiority, how can anyone ever know? I ask this because I've been around gambers as a profession and I can assure you that each and every one of them claim to be lifetime winners, despite substantive evidence (read poverty) to the contrary. Put simply, they have a tendency to remember winners and forget losers. Are we to rely on the fading memory of others?
- If tourney wins are to determine superiority, how can we know that either? There is no consistency with tourneys over time. The legends who won at Johnston City have no comparison - that tourney ended decades ago. As did the Stardust. As did many other. As will the US Open...:frown:. Other sports don't have this problem. The superbowl happens every year, as does the world series. The victors of those events are chronicled in the annals of history. Winners of pool tourneys are recorded...uh, where...the BCA? Wait, aren't they a trade organization now anyway???
And what of the women? I can't seem to see that they have a tour at all. Or a website either according to page 1 of a google search.
What is a pool fan to do? I can go to ONE event in Tunica, which is 8 hours away or so ONCE a year.. oh yeah, and the Derby...there is that at least. Pool on TV...nah. Pool at the pool rooom...they are dying out and the remaining one in my area is shitty, so I elect to stay at home.
All in all, pool can get kinda hard on anyone involved, whether at the "Pro" level or even as a hobby.
Well...lunch break is over, time to do some crediting of this, debiting of that...nice ramble, huh????
Well this isnt going to be popular but its the truth.
To be in the hall of fame you need to have a promoter.
For example;
Artie B had Freddy. Artie may have been a great one pocket player but I would venture that a huge pool population never heard of him. Freddy was tireless in promoting him and he got in.
I have spoken to alot of folks and if they knew him they said he would only play on one table in Chicago. This includes a World Champion that Freddy has stated that Artie robbed.
I get on One-Pocket.org and sometime I think Artie said he played all over the country, but nobody knows about it, but he beat everyone and they never knew....Ok..
So, IMO, it isnt about what you have done, its about promoting yourself to the right folks.
JMO,
Ken
To be in the hall of fame you need to have a promoter.
For example;
Artie B had Freddy. Artie may have been a great one pocket player but I would venture that a huge pool population never heard of him. Freddy was tireless in promoting him and he got in.
I have spoken to alot of folks and if they knew him they said he would only play on one table in Chicago. This includes a World Champion that Freddy has stated that Artie robbed.
I get on One-Pocket.org and sometime I think Artie said he played all over the country, but nobody knows about it, but he beat everyone and they never knew....Ok..
So, IMO, it isnt about what you have done, its about promoting yourself to the right folks.
JMO,
Ken
When i was around 53 or so i met this attractive 22 y.o. girl in a pool room. We were both on the road. She is kinda lookin at me like she is interested. She wanted to get a drink but i said to myself im not wasting my time with a 22 y.o. who ill never get anywhere with. I ran into her about a year later and she had become Jimmy's GF. JR has a year or two on me. Live and learn.
Well this isnt going to be popular but its the truth.
To be in the hall of fame you need to have a promoter.
For example;
Artie B had Freddy. Artie may have been a great one pocket player but I would venture that a huge pool population never heard of him. Freddy was tireless in promoting him and he got in.
I have spoken to alot of folks and if they knew him they said he would only play on one table in Chicago. This includes a World Champion that Freddy has stated that Artie robbed.
I get on One-Pocket.org and sometime I think Artie said he played all over the country, but nobody knows about it, but he beat everyone and they never knew....Ok..
So, IMO, it isnt about what you have done, its about promoting yourself to the right folks.
JMO,
Ken
No Ken, it still is about what you have done. All the top players knew who Artie was, including the subject of this thread, Jimmy Reid. He also got murdered playing Artie one-pocket. His comment after the match was that he had never seen anybody move like that, including Ronnie Allen. That is why Buddy Hall asked Artie for 10 to 8, and Allen Hopkins asked him for 8 to 7, and Jack Cooney asked for 10 to 8. Do I need to go on?
All those players are alive today, and available if they want to dispute me over what I just said.
Beard
And finally, Jimmy's other brags are pretty much well-founded.
Ken, if you think about it, then that means Artie was good. There's a lot of unsung heroes in pool who flew under the radar, by their own choice.
Vern Elliot might be one player. Geese (Michael Gerace) is another. Patcheye guarded his identity. It was kind of hard to clock these players at one time. :grin-square:
I met a player in Georgia in the '70s era called "Rocky Creek" when we were on the road. Not many people heard of him, but when you came to his pool room, he was the high-stakes gambler. I saw him send many a road agent to Western Union or back home with empty pockets. :embarrassed2:
I don't know Artie, just from what I have read on pool forums, but it does not surprise me that at one time, he had game and speed.
After the advent of the Internet, though, it's kind of like we all know who's who today. It's a knockers pool world in 2013, much different than the glorious road warrior years, what most term as pool's "golden years."
The only way for an action man to fly under the radar today is to play pool with a bag over his head. :thumbup:
