Billy Thorpe gone wild!

ExilePreacher said:
You’d be surprised, I’d probably rush there immediately. My favorite restaurant years ago was Rude Dog’s where the hostess and waitresses would cuss you out. They’d take your order by asking what the hell you want to eat?

I’m a Southern American middle aged male. I make no apologies. If you’re an asshole I’m a bigger one. Nice guys end up dead with their asses bleeding as a parting prize.

You Canadians are in my opinion very neutered to begin with. I doubt a Southern Bell would consider you males frankly. However when I was in Alberta years ago folks were very nice.

Lastly I have enough guns to supply a small army so we will just have to part ways there. There’s nothing at all wrong with shooting people as long as they earn it. You can’t do that without guns so no dice.


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Actually no I'm not...lol. As I was writting billboard example, I kinda had your reply figured out already.

Based on your views expressed thus far, I'm also not surprised you consider Canadians 'neutered'. That's cool... different cultures, different up bringings. I don't speak for my nation as a whole, and I'm also glad that I know you can't speak for yours.

Keep you stick on the ice ;)
 
Get_A_Grip said:
I think what is getting confused are "normal" players in a pool room versus PROFESSIONAL players. There is a difference between the two. In fact, I would say that a top player that is being sponsored, should be held to an even higher standard of behavior. The reasons for this should be obvious, but I think that the differences are being lost by many amateur players and posters in this thread.
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Professionals should be held to a higher standard since they represent a business. The behavior generally comes before the sponsorship. Earl would have been incredibly toxic if he wasn't a winner and fan favorite.

Biloxi Boy said:
Gambling (not pool gambling, but bookmaking and backroom crap and card games) was the financial backbone of the pool halls I came up in. Think blackboards with endless numbers chalked upon them. The "Daily Racing Form" was the most popular reading material. One room actually had tickertape machines. There were no fights in these places because everyone understood whose house they were in.
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Yeah, there used to be a big money nightly card game in one of the businesses owned by the family. No secret to it with the door of the room left open all of the time. The sheriff sat in the game most nights, always figured that was how the money was passed. A friend's brother fired a $2000 air barrel in that game in the eighties. He disappeared. The family had a vending machine business and the bridge over the Mississippi River was only a mile or two away. Long rumored to be a connection between people the family was annoyed with, obsolete juke boxes, and the river.

My friend was in Chicago. When he got back he was upset, needless to say. Nothing particularly against him except he was making too much noise. He got whittled up enough it was touch and go for a month or two and he spent about six months in the hospital. Lost forty or fifty pounds and he wasn't exactly fat when he got cut.

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Saw this on the internets today. As not funny as this all is, it is a little funny.

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ExilePreacher said:
I never said I do any of those things. I’ve never dealt drugs. I don’t steal unless you consider hustling idiots stealing. I don’t cheat. The only violence I’m guilty of has been in self defense. Yelling and shouting? Really? Wow you really are trying to kill pool rooms. You’re butt hurt over shouting? Disturbing other players? Dude I know your type. You’re like the old geezer one pocket players who complain if you shoot too loud playing banks or nine ball (most of whom can’t shoot for shit and are just jealous of those who can though I’m not saying this is true of you for the record). Well I don’t accept your standards. I remember Chicago Billiards and other rooms like it that were disgusting shitholes but were the funnest places ever frequented by mortal men. I’d take Chicago back over 1000 of what you’re advocating. The days when pool thrived in my lifetime there was no SUBTLETY about gambling. Guys would bark and bark and then make a game. A huge crowd would form and it was loud as hell sometimes. And the pool room owners loved it because all those railbirds were buying beer by the bucket. Nobody gave a shit about being subtle when they stacked the bills over the light. I bet you’d piss on Scotty Townsend’s grave if you had a chance. No sane person wants violence but no pool player with two intact testicles wants a boring ass gentlemen’s club where all you hear is balls lightly clicking either. You sir are the reason pool is dying. You’ve sucked the life right out of it.


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It's too bad all the gambling dried up in the 90s, yes, those rooms were amazing and I'd do anything to go back to those days.

Unfortunately, that's not the world we live in now.
 
I suppose that I should rest assured that there are so many morally perfect people in the world that I should be ready to publically execute a man that has asked for forgiveness and smoothe0d it over with the man he had an issue with. It's no wonder that everyone is hot to tell me how to speak and how to live or what color I can paint my house with.
 
mnorwood said:
I suppose that I should rest assured that there are so many morally perfect people in the world that I should be ready to publically execute a man that has asked for forgiveness and smoothe0d it over with the man he had an issue with. It's no wonder that everyone is hot to tell me how to speak and how to live or what color I can paint my house with.
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Unfortunately those that will call out every real or imagined sin are in control now. Take a look at the news and gossip rags and you will quickly see that people are losing jobs and careers over something they said or did decades ago or over comments made recently that nobody was really offended by.

Started long ago. The PC crowd got the bit in their teeth at the nuclear power plant where I worked. My brother and I attended Richard Petty's last race, the Hooters five hundred. I don't wear ball caps so have few to choose from if I need one. The only solid cloth cap I had when it was raining came with the promotional package and said "Hooters 500" on it. No racy pictures, nothing more offensive than that. A female coworker claimed to be offended by the cap, never mind that she said far worse on a daily basis. She could have picked up the phone and had me out the gate within minutes and that was in '93. I would have had zero defense.

Odds are few are genuinely upset by what somebody who apparently had been drinking too much said late night. That isn't the point. They only had to pretend to be upset and Billy lost a nice sponsor. If he doesn't shut up he is going to become toxic to all sponsors and the kind of travel needed to be a top tier pro is going to be unaffordable to him.

It is either quit making new waves and do plenty of groveling or see his career disappear. What is worse, this same incident might bite him in the butt years down the road in another career. Today's realities.

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mnorwood said:
I suppose that I should rest assured that there are so many morally perfect people in the world that I should be ready to publically execute a man that has asked for forgiveness and smoothe0d it over with the man he had an issue with. It's no wonder that everyone is hot to tell me how to speak and how to live or what color I can paint my house with.
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No one said anything about painting your house, but since you are trying to discredit people through ridiculousness...

If you paint symbols of hatred on your house, that's a problem. If you paint it yellow, good for you

If you speak with hatred, that's a problem. If you ask for a rerack, good for you.
 
ideologist said:
No one said anything about painting your house, but since you are trying to discredit people through ridiculousness...

If you paint symbols of hatred on your house, that's a problem. If you paint it yellow, good for you

If you speak with hatred, that's a problem. If you ask for a rerack, good for you.
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No reasonable (or intellectually honest for that matter) person would maintain that Billy’s use of certain frowned upon words were meant in hatred toward those groups of people who view them as slurs. In fact some of the critics on this thread have used “trailer trash” and “redneck” in much more intentionally hateful ways than Billy did n—ger and f—got. Saez is neither gay or black. It was clearly euphemistic. Further Billy pronounced the former with an “a” not the “er” which is actually very common among young people. I was shocked myself to learn this but my teenagers have many minority friends and they call each other such names all the time. Not one is ever offended. They consider it using terms of endearment. Unless we get away from this hypersensitivity in our culture we are doomed.


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ShootingArts said:
Naah, Robb owns those for years to come. Committing a felony on video isn't marvelously bright!

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It’d never stick. I agree it was stupid however. If Billy was indeed totally in the wrong, Robb should have whipped his ass. It’s exactly what Billy needs. It would have done much more good than anything promoted by the Pharisees in this forum. An ass whipping is humbling and builds character.


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ExilePreacher said:
KD thanks for airing this out. It needed to be said. Many southerners will remember a gangster named Dean Moore who used to back a number of pool players especially in the Atlanta area. Dean was the devil’s very own. He, on a number of occasions, pulled guns on players who got way ahead on his horses. I know from personal experience (I just drew my own in response). Some on this forum might remember when he slapped Paul Turner hard enough to draw blood for missing a shot “on his money”. Most of us knew better than to have him as a backer and after awhile it got to where nobody would even play anyone staked by him. But there are numerous Dean Moores all over the US and unfortunately for many players they are beholden to them for any chance at a living. Frankly I believe some more very rich honest gamblers backing more players would do more for the sport than Matchroom. For the few we have I am grateful. Such persons developing real relationships with these young guns and not only backing them but taking them under the wing, cultivating character etc. I’m sure I’ll get a lot of criticism for this but I stand by it.


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presumably, US pool players will need both as they are unlikely to cash in much in the matchroom events the way things are looking.

we have brawls in european pool rooms too, probably inevitable with alcohol serving permits. what we don't have is the romanticizing of it seen on here, which to me seems just as pointless and laughable as the stories about facebook-era road hustlers.
 
skogstokig said:
presumably, US pool players will need both as they are unlikely to cash in much in the matchroom events the way things are looking.

we have brawls in european pool rooms too, probably inevitable with alcohol serving permits. what we don't have is the romanticizing of it seen on here, which to me seems just as pointless and laughable as the stories about facebook-era road hustlers.
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I’ll make a deal with you. You stick with the European way of looking at things and I’ll stick with the American one. I’m not criticizing the way you guys do things. If it works for you so be it. But we have a history here and a tradition that goes with it. When you boil it all down, my main point has actually been that trying to make our pool scene like yours is what is killing ours. Most of what I hear from American amateurs is, whether they realize it or not, complaints about how “world pool” has influenced our game. And I believe the same can be said regarding our inability to attract new players. I could take some young person to a tournament and they’d be asleep in an hour. But the same youth can sit for hours hearing road stories of my own experiences or those of other players I’ve known. So just because you don’t care about our hustling history it doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter HERE. Unfortunately the people in charge of things over here seem to care more about what people like you think than what OUR people think. In other words we ought to stop being commies and start being selfish. Do what works for us. Y’all should do the same and stay out of our business.


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jasonlaus said:
It's too bad all the gambling dried up in the 90s, yes, those rooms were amazing and I'd do anything to go back to those days.

Unfortunately, that's not the world we live in now.
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The problem is that we’ve thrown in the towel and assume it’s not possible. I deny that. Certainly things would have to be modified for our current climate but there really is no reason we cannot build something similar to replace it. Gambling is still extremely popular. Men still want to be men. We’ve just castrated ourselves. We’ve listened to the wrong people. The guys who tell us we need Matchroom and Euro bullshit rules and decor and nice clothes and all the other horseshit—all those guys are the ones who got us to where we are now. Some of them have posted in this thread. Why in the hell should we listen to the very people who’ve killed American pool? It’s like we’ve followed the same course in this that we have in government. Also we gotta get rid of the geezers who trade $20 bills weekly playing horrendously bad one pocket while running off all the youth who they think are to loud or whatever. I frequent a place that is filled with college kids. They’re loud, they’re drunk, and frankly they’re just being normal kids. They go because the pool room is the last vestige of freedom in America. You can actually be a f—king American in a poolroom. But I see players on here complaining all the time about their behavior, the music, the drinking and laughter, the sports on tv etc. Instead they should just be glad that such a place can make a living and give us a place to play our game. Adapt. Evolve. Realize that everything changes but the draw of pool still exists. And cultivate these kids. A few weeks ago I had a good night. I got invited to one of their tables and I ended up in dead stroke like I played years ago. I literally did not miss (other than dry breaks) for two and a half hours. These kids were enthralled. I was beating their brains in and they loved it. I had a crowd of about 15. Afterward they asked me a ton of questions for another couple hours. Road stories. Wins. Hustles. Bad beats. I told them the good bad and ugly. They wanted me to write a book. A few ended up joining the local league and are hooked. And the thing is I’m a nobody who was never more than a low A player who could occasionally catch a much higher gear but never maintain it. But they were still hooked. What if some real players took that same time. All I hear is complaining about no money in pool and I’m getting paid now teaching two of these kids. These guys are whining, waiting for Matchroom or somebody else to fix things for them when they should just fix it themselves. They are the talent. They’ve got the goods but they’re too lazy to do the work. So yeah we will likely never see another Chicago or rooms like it but we can build a modern version. And one upside is I guarantee it’ll be cleaner


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ExilePreacher said:
I’ll make a deal with you. You stick with the European way of looking at things and I’ll stick with the American one. I’m not criticizing the way you guys do things. If it works for you so be it. But we have a history here and a tradition that goes with it. When you boil it all down, my main point has actually been that trying to make our pool scene like yours is what is killing ours. Most of what I hear from American amateurs is, whether they realize it or not, complaints about how “world pool” has influenced our game. And I believe the same can be said regarding our inability to attract new players. I could take some young person to a tournament and they’d be asleep in an hour. But the same youth can sit for hours hearing road stories of my own experiences or those of other players I’ve known. So just because you don’t care about our hustling history it doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter HERE. Unfortunately the people in charge of things over here seem to care more about what people like you think than what OUR people think. In other words we ought to stop being commies and start being selfish. Do what works for us. Y’all should do the same and stay out of our business.


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these are some of the most delusional posts i've read on here. if you think anything other than the internet killed pool hustling that's beyond funny.

not bashing history, just questioning the point in reminiscing and romanticizing bad behavior as a vehicle towards better pool. not bashing USA either, certainly not, just the very tiny few with the above mentioned predisposition.

and yes, i too want you to write a book.
 
skogstokig said:
these are some of the most delusional posts i've read on here. if you think anything other than the internet killed pool hustling that's beyond funny.

not bashing history, just questioning the point in reminiscing and romanticizing bad behavior as a vehicle towards better pool. not bashing USA either, certainly not, just the very tiny few with the above mentioned predisposition.

and yes, i too want you to write a book.
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As usual you didn’t read what I wrote. I never said “hustling” was killed I said American pool. It’s overall popularity as experienced during the late 80s through I guess about 2005 or so. Hard to say when the death rattle started but it was really sick LONG BEFORE THE INTERNET existed on a wide scale. I know. I lived it. My home town of 15 thousand people had three rooms in 1994 and they were so full you couldn’t get a table. By the end of the next year only one existed and it made it 10 more years or so. There hasn’t been one since, though one is opening this year. I doubt it’ll make it frankly. I know the guy and he’s a terrible business man. I hope I’m dead wrong. What you don’t understand is that the overwhelming majority of American players don’t give a rats ass about pro pool. And most of them don’t because it’s completely different than 30 years ago. And the “world” rules has a ton to do with that. Every night I go someone mentions how we don’t see the same kind of play like back in our younger days. And it could easily happen frankly because the actual players may actually be much better. The format doesn’t allow it. I would go into detail but you don’t care. You’ll just keep up the uninformed insults. But in my experience if American pool players watch pro pool at all it’s usually the big challenge matches. Doesn’t matter who’s playing. If there is action and it’s close to the format that of the past and how we play ourselves it’s entertaining. If it’s the boring ass WPA crap we don’t even care. I honestly can’t remember anyone in the last 7 years since I went back to playing who’s watched a single match in the WPA WC, the China Open, All Japan, etc. My understanding is that viewership of the US Open is up since Matchroom has taken over but it’s a lot less popular with folks I know. I frequent about 16 rooms over the course of a year in multiple US States. I’ve got lots of pool playing friends. They like the Derby. They like the challenge matches. They could care less about the rest. And for the record most could care less where the players are from. I think Dennis and Alex are more popular than SVB probably. The Philippino matches being streamed are more appealing. This ain’t about hustling sir though yes I miss it. It’s about OUR GAME. We play it differently. And until someone figures that out it’s going to keep dying here. So you are the delusional one because like most Euros you have no clue about America or Americans.


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skogstokig said:
these are some of the most delusional posts i've read on here. if you think anything other than the internet killed pool hustling that's beyond funny.

not bashing history, just questioning the point in reminiscing and romanticizing bad behavior as a vehicle towards better pool. not bashing USA either, certainly not, just the very tiny few with the above mentioned predisposition.

and yes, i too want you to write a book.
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And for the record yes the internet had a lot to do with hustling dying out but it was nowhere near THE ONLY THING as you so stupidly put it. Gas prices. Hotel prices. Poker. There was a lot of elements. Again I know because I lived through it. I saw it first hand. And to be honest it’s not totally dead. There’s still a little going on. And there’s still a good bit of action going on in some places like OKC. As for your bad behavior accusation stick it up your ass. I don’t accept your standards of morality. Or your continent’s.


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ExilePreacher said:
The guys who tell us we need Matchroom and Euro bullshit rules and decor and nice clothes and all the other horseshit—all those guys are the ones who got us to where we are now. Some of them have posted in this thread. Why in the hell should we listen to the very people who’ve killed American pool?
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Epic.... You definitely need to write a book.

Not even a possibility that the evolution of Americans killed "American pool"...? I'm honestly having a hard time following your argument. So Americans don't give a crap about the WPA or the Euro culture applied to the game, but yet it's the thing that's killed the American desire to play pool..?
 
The_JV said:
Epic.... You definitely need to write a book.

Not even a possibility that the evolution of Americans killed "American pool"...? I'm honestly having a hard time following your argument. So Americans don't give a crap about the WPA or the Euro culture applied to the game, but yet it's the thing that's killed the American desire to play pool..?
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What "Americans" are you talking about? North Americans? South Americans?

We really need a "jacking-off" emoji.
 
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