Billy Thorpe gone wild!

Epic.... You definitely need to write a book.

Not even a possibility that the evolution of Americans killed "American pool"...? I'm honestly having a hard time following your argument. So Americans don't give a crap about the WPA or the Euro culture applied to the game, but yet it's the thing that's killed the American desire to play pool..?

Now you’re on to something. You’re finally understanding. You call it the evolution of Americans. I call it the castration of Americans. The pussification would also be accurate. You see there’s a disconnect between the two sides in our country. There are guys like me who love our traditions, history, etc and those who want to become you. Pool has usually historically been the former. Most who play it now are older males who go to the pool room to cuss, stare at woman with tight clothes and loose morals, smoke, drink, and generally be what males have been since the dawn of the human race. Unfortunately the folks who run everything want pool to be a “high class” artsy fartsy shitshow with prim and proper asexual eunuchs. The European influence makes matters worse because y’all are already castrated. Those of us complaining don’t want to be like the folks our country had to save twice in the last century. We want to be like those who did the saving. We know what they were like because they raised us. Now as Euro type shit is increasingly influential in pro pool we find it distasteful. As for why new players aren’t coming in it has many elements but to your point: yes, the allure of pool and pool rooms is usually the fact that it is one of the last vestiges of historic American masculinity. The fact that your mindset against such is becoming more and more the norm in our schools, media et al the less likely it is that the beta-males being created by our institutions will ever come in. Those who reject this and want to keep their balls are pariahs and outcasts. Since we have no distinctly AMERICAN PRO POOL for our own players there is no incentive for young men to dedicate themselves to become excellent pool players anyway. But we just keep catering to the rest of the world anyway.


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What "Americans" are you talking about? North Americans? South Americans?

We really need a "jacking-off" emoji.

There are only Americans. Period. We’ve already had that discussion. And nobody needs an emoji to realize that you can’t get a woman and must resort to masturbation. It is evident from your comments, attitude, femininity and nationality.


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There are only Americans. Period. We’ve already had that discussion. And nobody needs an emoji to realize that you can’t get a woman and must resort to masturbation. It is evident from your comments, attitude, femininity and nationality.


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I think you got me all wrong, bro.
 
I don't want to say anything more about the BT situation specifically, but it brings up an interesting problem. When I play, I like to rack my own. Sometimes, you get people who insist on opponent rack. There could be legitimate reasons for it. Maybe they want to stay in rhytm when they're playing well. I like opponent rack in 14.1 for that reason. They like the "reward" of having the opponent rack or the psychological hit put on the opponent by having to rack. More often than not, however, it's so they can stall your momentum by putting slugs on you. If you're any kind of player and "pool hall psychologist" you know to always check the racks of people like this. However, they don't need to get away with the slug. They can keep slugging you over and over, and rerack again and again to freeze your arm, make you argue with them to get you mad and out of stroke etc. Usually I try not to engage too much, just ask for a rerack and try not to show any emotion or give any indication that they could get to me this way, then never play them again once we're done. Maybe someone has found a better solution?
 
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Epic.... You definitely need to write a book.

Not even a possibility that the evolution of Americans killed "American pool"...? I'm honestly having a hard time following your argument. So Americans don't give a crap about the WPA or the Euro culture applied to the game, but yet it's the thing that's killed the American desire to play pool..?

niels feijen and darren appleton killed pool with their artsy fartsy ways. i think.
 
I don't want to say anything more about the BT situation specifically, but it brings up an interesting problem. When I play, I like to rack my own. Sometimes, you get people who insist on opponent rack. There could be legitimate reasons for it. Maybe they want to stay in rhytm when they're playing well. I like opponent rack in 14.1 for that reason. They like the "reward" of having the opponent rack or the psychological hit put on the opponent by having to rack. More often than not, however, it's so they can stall your momentum by putting slugs on you. If you're any kind of player and "pool hall psychologist" you know to always check the racks of people like this. However, they don't need to get away with the slug. They can keep slugging you over and over, and rerack again and again to freeze your arm, make you argue with them to get you mad and out of stroke etc. Usually I try not to engage too much, just ask for a rerack and try not to show any emotion or give any indication that they could get to me this way, then never play them again once we're done. Maybe someone has found a better solution?

You're absolutely right. When you run out a rack, the opponent should be courteous enough to keep the game running smoothly. Clearly this is a problem for many people...
 
You're absolutely right. When you run out a rack, the opponent should be courteous enough to keep the game running smoothly. Clearly this is a problem for many people...
Screw courtesy, we're American damn it. Back in my day you had to rack your own and walk up hill to it while shooting bandits. ...and we liked it that way.

This thread has gotten so entertaining.
 
Screw courtesy, we're American damn it. Back in my day you had to rack your own and walk up hill to it while shooting bandits. ...and we liked it that way.

This thread has gotten so entertaining.
Back in their days, opponents racked and they sucked it up
 
I’ll make a deal with you. You stick with the European way of looking at things and I’ll stick with the American one. I’m not criticizing the way you guys do things. If it works for you so be it. But we have a history here and a tradition that goes with it.
It's a shame Europeans never had 200 years of history in which to establish traditions.
 
I don't consider it going wild, if the loser doesn't spend time in the hospital. It was just a disagreement. Plus if there isn't a couple of minutes of River dance done on opponents head, it wasn't a real ho down.
 
There have been many posts about protecting our traditional American way. What is truly the most sacred and important American tradition? FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY.

Now, a few think that the judgment of Cuetec, Matchroom, pool players, or society as a whole is infringing on our freedoms. Who are they to tell us what to do? I'll answer that quite simply: THE MAJORITY.

When a private business forms they get to decide how to operate. That is what Cuetec has done. When a group of people get together they get to decide how they want to govern themselves. That is what we've done and what we call the United States. Well, Cuetec has decided as a private company that Billy's behavior is across the line. And our society as a whole has decided the same. That is the voice of the majority.

Now, everyone gets a vote. For those who want to vote to make aggressive behavior socially acceptable, that is your right. I am not suggesting you can't voice your opinion. And while I may disagree with it that doesn't inherently make it wrong.

What is hypocritical, however, is to act like the consensus of the 99% are infringing on the rights of the 1%, when it would be much, much worse for the votes of the 1% to override the 99%. The 99% want to play pool in an environment where drunken violent behavior isn't permitted.

Why shouldn't the majority of pool players be free to set our own rules for how we want to play pool? Which is worse, taking away the 1%'s desired freedom to assault each other or taking away the 99%'s freedom to live peacefully and discourage this behavior? If you believe the 1% should have the rule just because you are in that minority and feel right, then the majority's freedom is being diminished as well as our democracy, and that is as far from the American ideals being cited as can be.

And for those who want to make the case that cancel culture is running away in a crazy direction, that is a different argument. We're not talking about social media censorship or workplace backlash for conservative opinions, all of which are concerns to people of all political viewpoints. It's not all or nothing. We're talking specifically about extreme aggressive and violent behavior. Just because one extreme end of cancel culture or PC culture is too far doesn't mean that it's all part of the same thing. I am for freedom and against cancel culture, I just want to be able to play in pool rooms without feeling threatened. More importantly than my opinion is the vast majority that agrees with me and sets the standards.
 
This brings up a very serious topic! You can win but you can not leave with the money!

Saez was in the zone and winning! He wanted to quit when things got physical! But, was bullied into playing and giving the money back.....

Saez is known to play on his own dime! No backer in the globe would bet another dime after that incident....

Given, Saez previous injuries and age. He was not the aggressor and certainly not looking for trouble!

Billy on the other hand, had a lot to gain from the disruption! It certainly was not going to take him out of the zone and disrupt his rhythm since he never got into one!

A couple choice words and aggressive behavior was worth roughly 7 games at $200 a pop! That was a $1400 stick up with no gun!

He pulled a move on carlo biado with a bad hit during a critical match and gotten a reputation. In my opinion!



Good morning pool fans. After later review on video playback of the match between Carlo Biado and Billy Thorpe from a different angle, there was a bad call made on my part during a jump shot on a 2 ball over the 6. The shot WAS indeed a foul as the cue ball grazed the 6 on its way over still making the 2 ball. Billy Thorpe and Carlo Biado are known to be honest players and no ill intent was intended. The Cue ball totally eclipsed the 6 on its way over perfectly straight at the 2 ball and although the 6 ball, Cue ball and 2 ball were all being monitored, the movement on the six was not seen from that angle. I just want to take ownership of that mistake and sincerely apologize to Mr. Biado for a bad call. Unfortunately, errors are made as we are all human beings. In football, baseball and also basketball, refs occasionally make bad calls and pool is no different. Again, my deepest sincere apologies go out to Carlo Biado/ Carlo -"the black tiger"- Biado/ Carlo Biado (whichever is his REAL profile) and the billiard community as a whole.

Kd

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It's a shame Europeans never had 200 years of history in which to establish traditions.

So because our traditions are younger they’re invalid. Typical Euro arrogance. I hope you’re not American. I’d be willing to bet that the Brits would have a fit if Americans decided that they make all the rules for snooker. I’m sure the Russians would be perfectly fine allowing New York City have the control over pyramid. You seemed to miss where I said if Euro ways work for European players so be it. I’m all for every country doing exactly what is best for themselves.


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