Blue Diamond Chalk

eyesjr said:
And none of the people that use it have said a word about this:
If it really is the ultimate friction chalk, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ITS ON THE CUEBALL AND SKIDS HALF THE BALLS YOU SHOOT. What happens when it gets on the Beloved nineball, and after a perfect rack you throw the nine thick on a cut? YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL ANGLES HERE......

That said, what happens when this space age @#$% CHALK imbeds in the Beautiful 760 on my Gabriels 9ft? All of a sudden, the REPLACE THE BALL shot drill changes - the additional friction will cause the cueball to roll instead of skip spinning backwards until ball contact.

Anyone else believe these points have Validity?
Have the players here played in a tournament environment where the chalk was endorsed, and SEEN REAL WORLD RESULTS, not just"yeah, i sneak my own chalk in...heehee" I mean, that is LIGHT and DAY difference in reality....
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You mean NIGHT and day?
 
eyesjr said:
Ok, Here it is. A thread ONLY for either test results concerning Blue Diamond chalk, or for A players testimony. If You are a full time pool player, etc, hih roller, someone with CREDENTIALS, not a hack, not"Im the best in my pool league"

Everyone here is dying to know if it is superior, and just how much better is it, and here is the place to see. DO NOT CLUTTER THIS THREAD UNLESS YOU ARE A REAL PLAYER. Can you spot an average player the 6 out? Can you give 12-4 to an average local one-pocket player? I want to hear why this chalk is better.

I would also like to know why on the site, it has been worldwide for years upon years, but 'just now discovered in USA.'

Lets not have a 14 page thread with a bunch of hacks here, lets save this for those that know whats going on here. Thank you for your time, JKH
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Dude
Sorry to clutter up your thread, as I am, with out a doubt, unworthy.

But if I was you, I'ld send a pm to travis trotter.

He would know.


Justin Nuder
 
eyesjr said:
Ok, Here it is. A thread ONLY for either test results concerning Blue Diamond chalk, or for A players testimony. If You are a full time pool player, etc, hih roller, someone with CREDENTIALS, not a hack, not"Im the best in my pool league"

Everyone here is dying to know if it is superior, and just how much better is it, and here is the place to see. DO NOT CLUTTER THIS THREAD UNLESS YOU ARE A REAL PLAYER. Can you spot an average player the 6 out? Can you give 12-4 to an average local one-pocket player? I want to hear why this chalk is better.

I would also like to know why on the site, it has been worldwide for years upon years, but 'just now discovered in USA.'

Lets not have a 14 page thread with a bunch of hacks here, lets save this for those that know whats going on here. Thank you for your time, JKH
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I couldn't decide if I'm qualified to reply or not. Please clarify... are you referring to our skill levels when we're playing with Masters or with Blue Diamond? :confused:

I mean, normally I'm only just a run of the mill league hack who plays with ordinary Master chalk but every now I like to step up my game and go on the road taking down some major scores using my secret weapon known as, Blue Diamond. :grin-devilish:

It's like I lead a double life. Please don't tell my league team I've been holding out on them.
 
First, I would like to thank you for your response.
I understand the concept of trying and forming your own opinion, I just wondered if there was any substantiated data, or substantial amount of top notch players using it . The opinion I am tending to form here, is that Master is good enough for any top pro, and if I cant play right it is due to my lack of mental preparation and practice, rather than my chalk.

I just want to ask a top player if there is ONE shot available with this chalk that cannot be used normally with another chalk. Is there ONE thing that may be improved in your game, OTHER THAN PEACE OF MIND.

The very reasons I worded the Orig.Post the way it was.

I have been guilty of misreading the intent of a poster before, and humbly apologize if the reading of this is difficult or whatever. t is all subjective, but hopefully we can see my intent here.

(Though I quoted your post this is not directed towards you):
Whoever a few posts ago made this a woofing contest, take your woofing to a redneck's front porch, and keep it off here.

You woof, I bite. Come to Jackson Tenessee and bring some cash. We will play 10 ahead the game of your choice or go to 300 in straight pool, for a NOT SO NITTY AMOUNT.

deadgearplyr said:
Those that know what's going on huh? You make me laugh. Just to save everyone else the aggravation and just to show you how wrong your line of thinking is shown in your post, I am a full time player in my pool hall. I have been using BD for 3-4 months now. I used what was available on the table which was Master and that was fine for me. I personally would've never though of using something as ridiculous as $4 / cube chalk but I read about it somewhere and just had to see for myself, so I ordered some. It took me about a week or two to really notice any difference in my game. I carry a chalker now and would have it no other way. I won't even touch anything else, and when I pick up a cube of master, I can tell, just by the way it feels going on. It's not a big difference, and it is a subtle difference, and moreover, it is a mental thing more than a physical thing. It is the kind of difference that matters to a person who is able to tell though, and not just on the table, but in life. I'm talking about the kind of player who is able to determine how many tips of english is needed to go one more or one less diamond on a one to three rail position shot. I'm talking about a player who has the sensitivity to lag a long rail kick off his opponent's ball into your opponent's jaws SUCCESSFULLY and with complete confidence. That is also the kind of player who isn't necessarily a top player. I know I'm not, but I'm close enough. How do you compare the hit of a Lambros, supposedly the 'best hitting cue on the planet' as opposed to a Searing or a Southwest? Could you take 10 different people and get the same answer? What about the best cue or even the most expensive cue? That is something that is so totally and ridiculously unimportant, it makes my left ass cheek itch.

IMO, if you can play, you don't need to know about chalk, let alone ask about it 'cause it isn't that big a deal. You can either buy some yourself and form your own opinion, or keep using what you've been using with the confidence that you can still do what you want with that cue ball. If you can't play, the chalk ain't gonna help you one bit. Nothing will, except time spent on the table, and believe me, I know about time spent on the table. Just call Magoo's in Tulsa, OK and ask for the house pro. He'll tell you the one person who spends the most time on the table and even whether or not he would be able to give a worthy opinion of Blue Diamond Chalk to such an experienced player.

You don't have to be an A player to know the difference between the two. It is like the difference between Aquafina or Evian, or like the difference between premium or regular unleaded. Is there a difference? Yes. Is it worth it? It depends on the type of person (not the player) you are. People who pay for premium do so because they can, not because they are a good driver and can sense the difference when they push the pedal. They also do so because they want that level of satisfaction. I myself am the same way. You will have to ask yourself the same question. You will also have to ask yourself who you think you are to exclude the opinions of part of the members of this forum. I personally think that's rude and disrespectful. I am only entertaining you for the sake of all the others who won't respond simply because they feel like it would be a waste of time. I don't feel like it is only in the level of skill that will determine if you will use this chalk or not. The best players in the pool hall probably don't even know what it is. I gave Buddy Hall a cube, and he tried it during his practice session and left it on the table. He does like the pre flag Master, cause he likes what he is familiar with. I believe it is the type of individual like Ralph Souquet who needs his own personal toilet seat covers when he travels, or Tyler Edey who faces his cues and shafts perfectly and the exact same way in his Longoni case. I also believe it is for anyone else who decides to spend the money on it because of the level of satisfaction is gives them knowing that they are getting a quality product. It's kinda like the difference between a Mercedes Benz and a Ford Taurus. I am a 'perfectionist' in everything I do, even in the way I write. You my friend, appear to be the type of person who forms his opinion based on what you read and as well as what other people say, so I assume you will keep on using Master like everyone else since you're too cheap to find out for yourself. That's just my own opinion though.

Why is anything else started in other parts of the world like in the Japan or in Europe? Passion? Ingenuity? Trends have been like that ever since I can remember. Germany and Italy make the most fantastic cars. Japan and Korea make pretty good ones too. What about electronics? I don't think this chalk thing is so different. Are we behind? maybe. We are Americans. We live in a spoiled rotten environment where everything is granted to us instantantously and at the push of a button. Kind of like your expectation for an answer to Blue Diamond from 'someone who would know better' as opposed to a lowly hack. We don't give a rats ass about the 'next level' cause we're too comfortable with the level we're on.

Since you asked, maybe you didn't know that, which means maybe you should take a closer look in the mirror and ask yourself, "Who am I to insult the brotherhood of pool as a whole and respectable members of this forum demanding opinions from only top players and no one else, acting as though I were a top player who was too good to get the opinion of a player lower than myself?"

People ask what is wrong with pool. This is it. Good pool players think they are too good for everyone else. Ask anyone who has been around top players. They think their $hit don't stink when in truth, they're attracting flies the whole time.

Just a suggestion, in this place, I wouldn't talk down to anyone who doesn't deserve it. This is a place for discussion that includes 'ALL MEMBERS' who choose to participate. Including the less skilled.
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BD CHALk

And My intent was not to knock a lower player, nor was it to insult anyone. It was only to assure that AZ MEMBERS COULD READ WHERE THEIR HEROES OR SUPERIORS REPLIED AND HELP FORMULATE THEIR OWN OPINION. This was in an effort to make this a better place.

All I asked for is Blue Diamond to substantiate the claim.

If You are a gourmet chef, and I work at Burger king, do you want me to tell you my french fry recipe? BUT, BUT...If you are at Burger king, and you are the type of person who constantly tries to improve, YOU WOULD LISTEN TO THE CHEF.

This in the long run, would have been a better thread, if I just posted :

Blue Diamond - Please substantiate your claims. And be thorough, dont stop at proving friction is higher. Prove that your chalk doesnt increase ball skid, or make the table play different when lightly dusted by the product(BTW It generally takes an above average player to notice these things).

Please let us know the reason your chalk is so much higher. Is it LACK OF MEANS OF MASS PRODUCTION???? If it is, I can get you mass produced, I dont want a quarter for it. Trust my word, I can make it happen.

If the cost is higher due to raw materials or equipment cost, I know someone who can help you there too.

CaCO3 is the base of any chalk. It is cheaper than cheap, and readily available. industrial chemical binding compounds are also easily obtained.

Im not a trouble maker, I am a problem solver by nature, THEREFORE I am interested in doing what I can.

Blue Diamond, would you like to rival Master and National and make money doing so?

I have a DEAR friend that can help you in many ways, and I will devote time into the venture, IF YOU WILL SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CLAIMS.
 
eyesjr said:
First, I would like to thank you for your response.
I understand the concept of trying and forming your own opinion, I just wondered if there was any substantiated data, or substantial amount of top notch players using it . The opinion I am tending to form here, is that Master is good enough for any top pro, and if I cant play right it is due to my lack of mental preparation and practice, rather than my chalk.

I just want to ask a top player if there is ONE shot available with this chalk that cannot be used normally with another chalk. Is there ONE thing that may be improved in your game, OTHER THAN PEACE OF MIND.

The very reasons I worded the Orig.Post the way it was.

I have been guilty of misreading the intent of a poster before, and humbly apologize if the reading of this is difficult or whatever. t is all subjective, but hopefully we can see my intent here.

(Though I quoted your post this is not directed towards you):
Whoever a few posts ago made this a woofing contest, take your woofing to a redneck's front porch, and keep it off here.

You woof, I bite. Come to Jackson Tenessee and bring some cash. We will play 10 ahead the game of your choice or go to 300 in straight pool, for a NOT SO NITTY AMOUNT.
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Whoever a few posts ago made this a woofing contest, take your woofing to a redneck's front porch, and keep it off here.

You woof, I bite. Come to Jackson Tenessee and bring some cash. We will play 10 ahead the game of your choice or go to 300 in straight pool, for a NOT SO NITTY AMOUNT.[/QUOTE]



You just don't get it, WOOFING CONTEST you started the Woofing Contest when you started this thread.

Next I am not a whoever, my name is Craig W. Rittel the Owner and Operator of Full Splice Billiards located in Lakewood, Washington, WHATS YOUR REAL NAME OR ARE YOU AFRAID TO POST IT:rolleyes: .

I made you a fair offer, are you afraid? You come on this forum and insult the membership:nono: now that is Bull Shit there are too many good people here. Then you talk about being a Real Player, however, Real Players will travel, what are you afraid of.:shrug: :shrug:

My previous offer to you still stands, if you are man enough to take me up on it. Many people on this forum know me personally, there is no woofing going here on my part, I have said what I mean and I mean what I say unlike you.:yeah: :yeah:

Like they say it's all good in the Hood, either Man up or go away because your credibility is in the toilet, more than likely just like your game.:help:

Have a great night, and when you grow a little contact me, you will still be good for a few laughs!!!!!:rotflmao1: :rotflmao1:
 
Well, I have no idea how good or bad BD chalk is. Master's is fine with me.

However, I will state that back when I played in England Blue Diamond tips were THE tips to use. Very good indeed.

Here endeth the waffle.
 
I love AZ

I evade nits with caution. The same way you evaded my offer to come play some. YOU BARKED, so what? Is a BARK. Something myself, in your observed"LACK OF CLASS" Don't do. Why? because I don't , thats why.

If you EVER come through Jackson TN, PM me for my phone number, and we will stop the Barking, and get to Biting. END OF IT.


OK Big Mister Pool Player, since you is so bad and know so much, I will send you a Bus Ticket non-refundable and you can come on up here to Washington state and Bust all the Nits you want right here in my Pool room. I will even include some extra money for some food so you don't starve in route, because I would not want that on my conscience!!!!!!
 
eyesjr said:
I evade nits with caution. The same way you evaded my offer to come play some. YOU BARKED, so what? Is a BARK. Something myself, in your observed"LACK OF CLASS" Don't do. Why? because I don't , thats why.

If you EVER come through Jackson TN, PM me for my phone number, and we will stop the Barking, and get to Biting. END OF IT.


OK Big Mister Pool Player, since you is so bad and know so much, I will send you a Bus Ticket non-refundable and you can come on up here to Washington state and Bust all the Nits you want right here in my Pool room. I will even include some extra money for some food so you don't starve in route, because I would not want that on my conscience!!!!!!
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If you EVER come through Jackson TN, PM me for my phone number, and we will stop the Barking, and get to Biting. END OF IT.


Buba, I have traveled my whole life, I was in the Military for 23 years. Now I am retired, and own a small pool room with a hand book on the side. It's obvious why you don't want to travel, so nothing needs to be said about that. :p

Take Care there Buba, and go tip a cow or something!!!!!:)
 
Why is it our resposibility - no, excuse me; only the A players on this forum's responsibility, to give you 'scientific' 'specs' and 'proof' of BDs superiority? Crawl up BDs asses and demand it of them.

Or just buy some and form your own opinion if it's that much of a freakin' issue. Put your money down and if it doesn't 'improve your game' or make everyone else in the pool hall envious, sue their asses and feel the warm glow of truly being a ***** of huge dimensions.
 
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eyesjr -

Let me start off by saying that on a good day, I can play at a B+ level. I am not a pro by any means. I have played off and on for a long time.

I have used Masters chalk almost exclusively over the last 15-20 years, with many different cues and tips.

Double Dave here on AZ is selling the BD chalk and I decided to give it a try after hearing alot of good things about it.

I have now used the BD chalk for the last month or so, so I feel that I can give an unbiased opinion on it.

The BD chalk goes on very smooth, a little thinner than Masters. It is harder and denser than Masters, so it lasts about 2 times longer. It has definately minimized miscues when I play. I have more confidence with extreme english with the BD than I do with Masters.

The obvious conclusion is that a good player can used either Masters or BD and play equally as well. Lets face it, an A+ level player can use just about any kind of cue and chalk and beat 90% of the players out there.

One question for you - Have yo even tried the BD chalk for yourself??

If not, you should give it a try and make your own judgments.

Russ...
 
Thanks, fella!!

Awesome. I am actually flattered that someone took the time to help here, and not blow everything out of proportion like the earlier posters.

This guy has the right attitude..

poolhustler said:
eyesjr -

Let me start off by saying that on a good day, I can play at a B+ level. I am not a pro by any means. I have played off and on for a long time.

I have used Masters chalk almost exclusively over the last 15-20 years, with many different cues and tips.

Double Dave here on AZ is selling the BD chalk and I decided to give it a try after hearing alot of good things about it.

I have now used the BD chalk for the last month or so, so I feel that I can give an unbiased opinion on it.

The BD chalk goes on very smooth, a little thinner than Masters. It is harder and denser than Masters, so it lasts about 2 times longer. It has definately minimized miscues when I play. I have more confidence with extreme english with the BD than I do with Masters.

The obvious conclusion is that a good player can used either Masters or BD and play equally as well. Lets face it, an A+ level player can use just about any kind of cue and chalk and beat 90% of the players out there.

One question for you - Have yo even tried the BD chalk for yourself??

If not, you should give it a try and make your own judgments.

Russ...
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CRAWL UP BD'S @$$&$ and demand it of them.

Do you fail to see this is the best way to ask them???? The inventor, the distributor, and maker of this chalk POSTS HERE. Rather than pester him and ask 1,000 ???'s, I thought I would do everyone a favor, and allow his response to be here, where thousands can view it, not just me.

Get YOUR head out of YOUR ass, and realize that not everyone is self-serving like you. If you realized that, you would see the obvious advantage of having TEST RESULTS, PLAYER REVIEWS, etc POSTED PUBLICLY. What, are you scared the 6 on your league will start beating you if he finds this thread and buys BD chalk?

The mass population of weak players has a tendency to brag or be happy with equipment that not only is not better than we most use, but is actually inferior. They do not have the same demands of their equipment that an upper level player does. This is why I attempted to narrow down the responses, I wanted to make a Nice, Easy to read, Informative place to read about Blue Diamond Chalk.

Furthermore, I suspect Longoni should be pleased to take advantage of the opportunity to share with us all, the benefits and supposed strengths of this product. One more reason I felt it important to attempt to start a thread. However, Thin-skinned members and woofing experts once again rob us all of the intended purpose of this thread.

Even if Longoni responds here, there are several horrible posts, that will . deter people from reading the thread in its entirety. Most likely they will miss the post tha actually answers the question....


Surly said:
Why is it our resposibility - no, excuse me; only the A players on this forum's responsibility, to give you 'scientific' 'specs' and 'proof' of BDs superiority? Crawl up BDs asses and demand it of them.
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Mr 23 year road Player dont want action? You tirelessly revert to bringing me to you - You are the great big Woofing expert that called me out. Come see me, and like I said, win, lose, or draw, one of us will learn something, two of us will bet something, and maybe one of us will win something.

I guess all the military taught you was how to retreat.

manwon said:
If you EVER come through Jackson TN, PM me for my phone number, and we will stop the Barking, and get to Biting. END OF IT.


Buba, I have traveled my whole life, I was in the Military for 23 years. Now I am retired, and own a small pool room with a hand book on the side. It's obvious why you don't want to travel, so nothing needs to be said about that. :p

Take Care there Buba, and go tip a cow or something!!!!!:)
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eyesjr said:
Mr 23 year road Player dont want action? You tirelessly revert to bringing me to you - You are the great big Woofing expert that called me out. Come see me, and like I said, win, lose, or draw, one of us will learn something, two of us will bet something, and maybe one of us will win something.

I guess all the military taught you was how to retreat.
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You dont read good do you? He said he was IN the military for 23 years. Not 23 years old
 
I have not used BD... I am too happy with TAN masters chalk...yes Tan. It does not leave your ferrule or hands or shaft dirty and plays very well.

And I understand that you are upset that people did exactly what you did not want them to do but didn't you set yourself up for that? Tell a kid not to do something and well, you better expect them to do it (thus my post as well). Just remember that people cannot hear your tone of voice when you write, that is why diction is so important when posting...next time think your post through before posting it to get a better response. And truthfully I don't believe that any pro will give you scientific facts to support their claim of one chalk being better than another; they, like yourself, play pool and do not spend time in a lab. Besides, I do not believe that the Italian affiliate of Longoni will be willing to relocate their operations to Tennessee anytime soon.

Sorry for the clutter, but your post upset me.
 
The chalk has a mystique to it, therefore people are going to pay the high prices and flock to it for a while like its a miracle cure...... until they realize its just chalk, and chalk is chalk.
Other than that..... I have some National Tournament with the old black label (this was THE BEST CHALK EVER MADE.........) that Ill sell for $200 a dozen if anyone is interested...... ;) :thumbup:
Chuck

ps, I have a bridge for sale too......
 
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