Bob Meucci Lectures Us!

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Buster Jones

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Scanning on different cuemaker sites today and found something interesting on Meucci's. "Bob Lectures" is the series name. I couldn't help but to listen. (I must tell you though, I am not a Meucci fan, many in my area love them, they're just too whippy for my taste). Still, I found it interesting some of his opinions. For instance, you get a better cue from one that is mass produced than from a custom cuemaker. Also, he says custom cue makers have not done research on cues and shafts through the years. There are other assertions that I don't agree with on the other two videos as well. There are total three videos.

Anyway, I'm interested in hearing what custom cue makers think about his comments on especially the video, "how much is your cue worth?" Maybe some of you will surprise me and agree with some of his comments. btw, im not holding my breath. below is the link...

http://www.meuccicues.com/videos.htm#
 
so ferrari must be a bogus company since they only make a couple cars a week lol


No one on the planet can say that a meucci sneaky pete is better and a scruggs sneaky pete......if they do i want the drugs they are taking

some of his points are dead on but most is just fluff BS. His companys quality and tolerance is not much better than the asian factorys....if they didn't seal over the wrap it would probably come off.

I'd rather buy a cuetek....

And its a shame b/c he did alot for the industry too, developed alot of equipment and manufacturing techniques not to mention breaking into diff markets.

he basically said that the asians dont build good cues, and then said they are building his cues and they are just changing the tapers and ferrulle.....that really makes me want to go buy one now lol

Of course a factory can turn out a more detailed cue for cheaper and faster....if they couldn't what would be the point? Tho faster and cheaper has nothing to do with construction tolerances.

-Grey Ghost-
 
He Must have bumped his head!!!

He is out of his mind!!!! I'm still in shock, and finding little words. I agree with greyghost, some things he is right about, but most of it is just talk. I know that a lot of custom cue makers put in tons of research into their cues. They hold on to wood for years to make sure there are no problems and have the hit and feel they're looking to get out of it, etc. They take pride in their work and don't just pump out cues as fast as they can to make a buck. There is a reason custom cues are more expensive, "they're custom". Just like with anything in the world, the less that are made or produced, the more they cost.
 
Buster Jones said:
Scanning on different cuemaker sites today and found something interesting on Meucci's. "Bob Lectures" is the series name. I couldn't help but to listen. (I must tell you though, I am not a Meucci fan, many in my area love them, they're just too whippy for my taste). Still, I found it interesting some of his opinions. For instance, you get a better cue from one that is mass produced than from a custom cuemaker. Also, he says custom cue makers have not done research on cues and shafts through the years. There are other assertions that I don't agree with on the other two videos as well. There are total three videos.

Anyway, I'm interested in hearing what custom cue makers think about his comments on especially the video, "how much is your cue worth?" Maybe some of you will surprise me and agree with some of his comments. btw, im not holding my breath. below is the link...

http://www.meuccicues.com/videos.htm#
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Bob has been an innovator for many many years, but let face it something is wrong here. Now I would never say that if Bob were interested in making Meucci Cues into a company that was all about quality that he couldn't do it. But, while he has the knowledge necessary it is going to waste, because Meucci Cues are some of the lowest quality products currently being produced in the USA. Their quality control is in the toilet, their customer service is in the toilet, and their products currently being built do not even compete with the higher end Chinese imports.

The days when Meucci cues were a quality brand name are gone and no lecture and no idea's are going to change what that company has become. It will take a great deal of hard work, and a number of properly trained employees who care about what they are building, shipping, and repairing along with Bob's knowledge to make the necessary changes happen and at this point in time it seems no one cares!!!!

JIMO
 
Meucci cues have been known for a long time to be very poorly made with inferior materials, and lousy customer service. At least that's their rep.

But I remember the first Meucci I ever saw. Well made, good hitting and was considered a custom cue. Owning a Meucci was like owning gold. I'm of course talking about 1974. I often wondered how they went from from being great to being lousy. IIRC, one of the best hitters I ever owned was a Meucci sneaky from around 1978. I wish I still had that cue.
 
Charlie Edwards said:
Meucci cues have been known for a long time to be very poorly made with inferior materials, and lousy customer service. At least that's their rep.

But I remember the first Meucci I ever saw. Well made, good hitting and was considered a custom cue. Owning a Meucci was like owning gold. I'm of course talking about 1974. I often wondered how they went from from being great to being lousy. IIRC, one of the best hitters I ever owned was a Meucci sneaky from around 1978. I wish I still had that cue.
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When every country, bar hopping apa shooting person thinks meuccis are still gold.....they got your money they don't need no stinking quality....at least thats the only thing thats got to be in bob's head.

Bob from what I understand learned some from Paul Heulber.....too bad he couldn't continue to make QUALITY production cues like Paul did untill he got too old to continue. DAM SHAME

Couldn't live with myself talking all that crap and owning a company that puts out such bad quality product.....what a man does reflects on him, and I don't think very much of Bob at the moment, when it should be completely backwards, but he did it to himself.
 
Read this!!!

OK, I found this a while back searching for info and reviews for Meucci, and was mortified when reading it, then to hear Bob talk his madness just blows my mind. I think someone needs to do some house cleaning or it's time to rethink the words "customer service". Here is a link to an article, please read this, it is very informative, A Meucci nightmare!!!!!
The article long but worth the read!

http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/billiards.htm#nightmare
 
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greyghost said:
When every country, bar hopping apa shooting person thinks meuccis are still gold.....they got your money they don't need no stinking quality....at least thats the only thing thats got to be in bob's head.

Bob from what I understand learned some from Paul Heulber.....too bad he couldn't continue to make QUALITY production cues like Paul did untill he got too old to continue. DAM SHAME

Couldn't live with myself talking all that crap and owning a company that puts out such bad quality product.....what a man does reflects on him, and I don't think very much of Bob at the moment, when it should be completely backwards, but he did it to himself.
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I believe you've got your facts mixed up a little. It has been my understanding that Paul Huebler was a wood worker and as far as I know, never even played pool. Meucci had been working in the billiard business for a number of years as president of Tweeten and then for a plastic company where de designed and sold plastic V shaped veneers for points which a number of cue makers tried out including Szamboti and Viking used them in their cues for a number of years. He talked Paul into opening up a shop and he set the shop up and taught Paul how to build cues. Meucci built cues out of this shop until he opened his own in 1975.

I have never been a fan of Meucci cues. Not because of the way the play as many like them for that especially on the old slow Mali cloth that was in vogue for years and not because of their looks as I believe that cosmetically, they have very good designs. I've always been down on them because of the way they are built. Every where he has used the cheapest materials available. All of his materials are plain, fragile plastic which may develop cracks just sitting in your closet. Most everyone else uses phenolics which are maybe 10 times stronger. Years ago at a trade show a friend of mine who posts on this forum, asked Bob why he used such weak plastic for his ferrules which had a life expectancy of about 3 weeks before cracking and Bob's response was "I'm the best cue maker in the country because I build a cue that everyone loves and it ain't going to last. I'm in the business to sell cues."

Dick
 
rhncue said:
I believe you've got your facts mixed up a little. It has been my understanding that Paul Huebler was a wood worker and as far as I know, never even played pool. Meucci had been working in the billiard business for a number of years as president of Tweeten and then for a plastic company where de designed and sold plastic V shaped veneers for points which a number of cue makers tried out including Szamboti and Viking used them in their cues for a number of years. He talked Paul into opening up a shop and he set the shop up and taught Paul how to build cues. Meucci built cues out of this shop until he opened his own in 1975.

I have never been a fan of Meucci cues. Not because of the way the play as many like them for that especially on the old slow Mali cloth that was in vogue for years and not because of their looks as I believe that cosmetically, they have very good designs. I've always been down on them because of the way they are built. Every where he has used the cheapest materials available. All of his materials are plain, fragile plastic which may develop cracks just sitting in your closet. Most everyone else uses phenolics which are maybe 10 times stronger. Years ago at a trade show a friend of mine who posts on this forum, asked Bob why he used such weak plastic for his ferrules which had a life expectancy of about 3 weeks before cracking and Bob's response was "I'm the best cue maker in the country because I build a cue that everyone loves and it ain't going to last. I'm in the business to sell cues."

Dick
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I think that's what GM did for a lot of years until the foreigners forced them to attempt quality. Unfortunately, it's very hard to change a well stablish and profitable corporate mentality and filter it down to the assembly line, as do or die. Sorry, back to cues and Meucci. The segment of the cue market that they participated in could not be held even if the high quality continue. Bob is a smart business man and knowledgeable in cue building the choices were few. Think of all the brand names in that segment of the market today.
The $150 to $750 slot is full and mostly built outside the USA completely or brought back in parts and assemble here :)

Cuemaking Economist, Mario :)
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rhncue said:
...asked Bob why he used such weak plastic for his ferrules which had a life expectancy of about 3 weeks before cracking and Bob's response was "I'm the best cue maker in the country because I build a cue that everyone loves and it ain't going to last. I'm in the business to sell cues."

Dick
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Called "Designed Obsolescence"!!! Just like shingles (10yr, 20yr, 30yr types). Almost everything is designed this way today (even GM's and Toyotas), it keeps them in business. But, I'm not sure, for cues, the same should be applied. Mainly, because there is someone around the corner that will make one to play a lifetime. I believe that McDermott understands it's market, and that's why they are offering lifetime this and lifetime that.
 
Back in the mid-80s, Meucci cues were very popular...I was a McDermott man at the time, soon to shift to Joss and later Schon. (McDermott people and Meucci people didn't agree on much!) I personally saw forearms on two different Meucci cues shatter, one on a break shot and one on a very strong draw stroke. Never saw even a Taiwan import do that...obviously the plastic veneers, the lacquered over wrap and poorly aged maple were responsible. Beautiful cues, though! Who in their right mind varnishes over nice irish linen wrap???
 
West Point 1987 said:
Back in the mid-80s, Meucci cues were very popular...I was a McDermott man at the time, soon to shift to Joss and later Schon. (McDermott people and Meucci people didn't agree on much!) I personally saw forearms on two different Meucci cues shatter, one on a break shot and one on a very strong draw stroke. Never saw even a Taiwan import do that...obviously the plastic veneers, the lacquered over wrap and poorly aged maple were responsible. Beautiful cues, though! Who in their right mind varnishes over nice irish linen wrap???
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Kind of sums it up!
I had a Meucci back in the mid 80's and I took the finish off the wrap and guess what? There was a beautiful linen wrap under it.Never could figure out why they did that.
 
im just curious if word about how shotty meucci has become even reaches him. i mean, how do you still pump out words of greatness to describe your cue and call everyone elses inferior when we have all seen and read all the horror stories about everything that goes into the cue and everything that happens behind the desk...
 
rhncue said:
I believe you've got your facts mixed up a little. It has been my understanding that Paul Huebler was a wood worker and as far as I know, never even played pool. Meucci had been working in the billiard business for a number of years as president of Tweeten and then for a plastic company where de designed and sold plastic V shaped veneers for points which a number of cue makers tried out including Szamboti and Viking used them in their cues for a number of years. He talked Paul into opening up a shop and he set the shop up and taught Paul how to build cues. Meucci built cues out of this shop until he opened his own in 1975.

I have never been a fan of Meucci cues. Not because of the way the play as many like them for that especially on the old slow Mali cloth that was in vogue for years and not because of their looks as I believe that cosmetically, they have very good designs. I've always been down on them because of the way they are built. Every where he has used the cheapest materials available. All of his materials are plain, fragile plastic which may develop cracks just sitting in your closet. Most everyone else uses phenolics which are maybe 10 times stronger. Years ago at a trade show a friend of mine who posts on this forum, asked Bob why he used such weak plastic for his ferrules which had a life expectancy of about 3 weeks before cracking and Bob's response was "I'm the best cue maker in the country because I build a cue that everyone loves and it ain't going to last. I'm in the business to sell cues."

Dick
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thanks for lining me out on that brother.......now that makes sense as I knew that Paul came from a line of cabinet makers.......much appreciated brother.

take care,
Keebie
 
Buster Jones said:
Scanning on different cuemaker sites today and found something interesting on Meucci's. "Bob Lectures" is the series name. I couldn't help but to listen. (I must tell you though, I am not a Meucci fan, many in my area love them, they're just too whippy for my taste). Still, I found it interesting some of his opinions. For instance, you get a better cue from one that is mass produced than from a custom cuemaker. Also, he says custom cue makers have not done research on cues and shafts through the years. There are other assertions that I don't agree with on the other two videos as well. There are total three videos.

Anyway, I'm interested in hearing what custom cue makers think about his comments on especially the video, "how much is your cue worth?" Maybe some of you will surprise me and agree with some of his comments. btw, im not holding my breath. below is the link...

http://www.meuccicues.com/videos.htm#
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Hi,

I don't like Meucci Cues for a variety of reasons but I did watch Dallas West win 2 US Open Straight Pool Titles using his Meucci. The Meucci Cue seemed to fit Dallas's unbelievable slip stroke very well.

Rick G
 
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