We aren't under contract sir. We basically have a verbal agreement and are working on trust and faith this venture will work. I haven't been (and don't expect to be) paid for 26 weeks either. I worked 6 weeks from May to July announcing and from October through today doing that and some administrative things and that's all I have been paid for and all I SHOULD be - not for 26 weeks. If I had something in writing saying otherwise it would be different, but I don't.
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We aren't under contract sir. We basically have a verbal agreement and are working on trust and faith this venture will work. I haven't been (and don't expect to be) paid for 26 weeks either. I worked 6 weeks from May to July announcing and from October through today doing that and some administrative things and that's all I have been paid for and all I SHOULD be - not for 26 weeks. If I had something in writing saying otherwise it would be different, but I don't.
This had me rolling in the aisles. The only time the players are united is when they are owed money. There was unity in the IPT non-payment experience. There was unity in the US Open 9-ball non-payment fiascos. There will be unity the next time the pros are stiffed together on payment.
For Raj to suggest that we are at the dawning of a new era in pool in which pool players will respect themselves and each other is so far fetched that I truly laughed out loud.
Seems like kinda a scumbag move for VLR and fastlenny to be on here, freely promoting an enterprise, that owes this very forum $$. How anyone can not see what a classless organization bonus ball is escapes me.
Plenty to tackle here, but I will try. First of all, while I wasn't aware of claims of two years of financial information, I was told the job would last 26 weeks AND season two was to start shortly after. So yes, I moved out here under that hope and impression. My point is, I can't just go filing lawsuits or going to the labor board because that never panned out. Moving here was a risk I assumed to do something I thought was a worthwhile venture. I probably WOULD NOT have moved here if I knew it was going to last 6 weeks with a 4 month break. But I took that risk, I am here, and I am doing what I can to help make it work.
As for reduced pay, I don't know the details of player compensation. I just wanted to address Lee's claims. However, they want this project to work. So it would not surprise me if they had to settle for something less in the hopes of keeping this opportunity alive.
As for Larry, the man is passionate about this sport and badly wants to create something for the professional player. What is in his bank account or how he handles things I can't speak to. He has been up front with me and is trying and that's as much as I can ask.
Also, I am searching for the quote from someone else and will copy if and when I find it. But I did see it on a thread - just not this one.
If you or somebody needs to be reimbursed, please email me at stevewstrain@hotmail.com and I will pass that on and do my best to help you. It's not my area to handle, but I can find out who can for you. Sorry that happened.
Man, this is like a full-fledged World War in the pool industry. It affects so many facets, and I can understand the viewpoints from several of those facets.
First and foremost, I want to go on the record as saying I totally understand why the Bonus Ball players united together for the cause. The BCA has shut the door on them, more or less. Many regional tours have prohibited or banned them from competing in their events in the last few years. They need to eat, too, just like the rest of us.
However, when an loyal industry member, such as Greg Sullivan, reaches out to some of the players he has supported in the past with free perks and benefits, I think the Bonus Ball players who canceled out on Tunica and gave Greg Sullivan little to no respect have done a lot of damage to themselves.
It's all over now, water under the bridge, and the damage is done. The Bonus Ball players will not have as many events to compete in as previously, and if Bonus Ball doesn't find a funder, then where do we go from here?
Speaking from a damage control point of view, it's time to quit picking scabs, I guess. We need to move forward in the interest of survival, players and industry members alike, if you want pool to move forward. If not, if you'd like it to stay where it's at today, then let's continue to beat up the other side.
First and foremost, I want to go on the record as saying I totally understand why the Bonus Ball players united together for the cause. The BCA has shut the door on them, more or less. Many regional tours have prohibited or banned them from competing in their events in the last few years. They need to eat, too, just like the rest of us.
However, when an loyal industry member, such as Greg Sullivan, reaches out to some of the players he has supported in the past with free perks and benefits, I think the Bonus Ball players who canceled out on Tunica and gave Greg Sullivan little to no respect have done a lot of damage to themselves.
It's all over now, water under the bridge, and the damage is done. The Bonus Ball players will not have as many events to compete in as previously, and if Bonus Ball doesn't find a funder, then where do we go from here?
Speaking from a damage control point of view, it's time to quit picking scabs, I guess. We need to move forward in the interest of survival, players and industry members alike, if you want pool to move forward. If not, if you'd like it to stay where it's at today, then let's continue to beat up the other side.
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Good point. Very good point. Bonus Ball needs to address this matter.
i'm on your ass, cause you're the "Voice of BB" - no offense - this is business
1) if you had a contract @ $20K, and your net was $5K in cash/trade - would this be acceptible to you?
2) if you had a contract @ $26K+/+, and your net was $2K after o-o-p expenses to recoup - would this be acceptible to you?
3) if you had dropped $160 PPV & received $0-$12 worth (due to poor streaming & GOB) - would this be acceptible to you?
4) if you had booked a trip to LAS @ $1400, and had to EAT IT (due to GOB) - would this be acceptible to you?
Claim #4 is filed herein.
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I'll leave the beating up to those who enjoy it. I would like to see all parties satisfied, but it ain't happening. There needs to be a compromise, so that pool has a chance to progress.
Twist my words another day. I'm not in the mood for a back-and-forth with you. I wouldn't want to anger you. Have a great day.
Send me an email to stevewstrain@hotmail.com as well. Let me know the situation and I will try to help. I have no idea what this is about but would love to learn.
Take a deep breath, count to 10, and then exhale.