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clintw

clintw

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I'm listening to archer live at his tourney and he he is talking about bonus ball and archer is the head of the atlanta scorpions along with dennis hatch and shannon daulton thats the atlanta team.
he said rodney was over the chicago team etc..
he said none of these things have been discussed yet to the public
 
I heard the same thing! If that is true, Monday is supposed to be the day more of this news is to be released! Earl Strickland did play Bonus Ball in Chesapeake a few years ago and I did over hear him say "Wow, this game is hard....I love it! I'd play in your league, Larry!" Perhaps that has come true!

This man deserves to finally be recognized as a professional billiard player! I love watching Earl Strickland! Nice!

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clintw said:
I'm listening to archer live at his tourney and he he is talking about bonus ball and archer is the head of the atlanta scorpions along with dennis hatch and shannon daulton thats the atlanta team.
he said rodney was over the chicago team etc..
he said none of these things have been discussed yet to the public
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I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Dave Matlock getting on the Bonus Ball locomotive. :grin-square:

First and foremost, I'm happy for the pro players if they're getting a payday. If Bonus Ball takes off, it will be the change agent for pool that's long been needed.

I felt the same way when Hilton Hotels tried to create a tour for the pro players. They held two tournaments, and due to lack of interest, not only from the public, but the participation of the pro players being miniscule, they folded up like lawn chair. I think Shawn Putnam won the Pittsburgh event that had hardly any spectators and less than 40 competitors, if memory serves me right. That was the end of the Hilton Pool Tour.

Most who read this forum with any regularity are familiar with Kevin Trudeau and the International Pool Tour (IPT). Kevin had deep pockets and spared no expense to get the IPT going, giving BCA Hall of Famers who hadn't picked up a stick in decades a free gift of $30,000 just to make a cameo appearance in Orlando (December 2005). Kevin Trudeau had deep pockets, but apparently, they weren't deep enough. After approximately $3 million, I surmise, or more, he also ended the best thing that ever happened to pool in my lifetime. There was no return on investment, and the American pool culture that wasn't involved with the IPT seemed to have strong opinions how bad Kevin Trudeau was as a person, and they verbally tarred and featured him on this forum on a daily basis. This, after pouring in $3 million into pool for the pro players, trying to make something happen.

Now in 2012, we have the Bonus Ball. The only thing I have to say is that I hope Larry has deep pockets and can weather the storm. Meanwhile, those pro players who are on board the Bonus Ball locomotive today will at least earn a living doing what they do best. I wish them a long and comfortable ride. :)

And I hope Larry's pockets don't run dry. :wink:
 
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I think Kevin Trudeau dished out over a little over 12 million dollars.
It was a lot of money!
 
JAM said:
I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Dave Matlock getting on the Bonus Ball locomotive. :grin-square:

First and foremost, I'm happy for the pro players if they're getting a payday. If Bonus Ball takes off, it will be the change agent for pool that's long been needed.

I felt the same way when Hilton Hotels tried to create a tour for the pro players. They held two tournaments, and due to lack of interest, not only from the public, but the participation of the pro players being miniscule, they folded up like lawn chair. I think Shawn Putnam won the Pittsburgh event that had hardly any spectators and less than 40 competitors, if memory serves me right. That was the end of the Hilton Pool Tour.

Most who read this forum with any regulatory are familiar with Kevin Trudeau and the International Pool Tour (IPT). Kevin had deep pockets and spared no expense to get the IPT going, giving BCA Hall of Famers who hadn't picked up a stick in decades a free gift of $30,000 just to make a cameo appearance in Orlando (December 2005). Kevin Trudeau had deep pockets, but apparently, they weren't deep enough. After approximately $3 million, I surmise, or more, he also ended the best thing that ever happened to pool in my lifetime. There was no return on investment, and the American pool culture that wasn't involved with the IPT seemed to have strong opinions how bad Kevin Trudeau was as a person, and they verbally tarred and featured him on this forum on a daily basis. This, after pouring in $3 million into pool for the pro players, trying to make something happen.

Now in 2012, we have the Bonus Ball. The only thing I have to say is that I hope Larry has deep pockets and can weather the storm. Meanwhile, those pro players who are on board the Bonus Ball locomotive today will at least earn a living doing what they do best. I wish them a long and comfortable ride. :)

And I hope Larry's pockets don't run dry. :wink:
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Jam...

He got tarred and feathered for firing the biggest air barrel ever. He stiffed all the qualifier winners and a lot of vendors. I know you love the guy since you and Keith got free money, but I lost a good bit after being fed a long line of lies to lead me into a position to get the final drilling.

Therefore, just because he threw the money he made from conning people into believing they could cure terminal diseases into the pockets of some pro players and then stiff qualifiers (and continued to hold qualifiers to nowhere) while vendors got flat-out lied to so they could get business-raped, doesn't mean he was a great guy who was unfairly tarred and feathered.

KT is a POS scumbag of the highest order.

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SpiderWebComm said:
Jam...

He got tarred and feathered for firing the biggest air barrel ever. He stiffed all the qualifier winners and a lot of vendors. I know you love the guy since you and Keith got free money....
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I can understand your disappointment from your vantage point, but make no mistake about it, it wasn't "free" money. We spent quite a bit on suitable attire for the tournaments, travel expenses to and from tournaments, my time away from work, which was a big loss of income, et cetera. It was by no means free money. We tried to go along with the program and give it our all, Keith and I both.

I do disagree with you, however, that he fired an air barrel. We got paid. Granted, it took a while, but we got paid. I don't fault him for taking a while to pay us due to the fact that he lost so many millions on this pool venture. He was given bad info from the start, whoever consulted with him, about how to get the IPT platform launched. His vision was flawed, which ruined the mission.

You, of course, are entitled to think what you want about the IPT and Kevin Trudeau, but I admire him for trying to make something happen positive for pool. You criticize Kevin Trudeau for his book sales, but what about some of these pool people who, IMHO, take advantage of women and poor people? Are they any different than Kevin Trudeau? Think about it and get back to me. My people will get together with your people, and we'll do Chinese. :smile:
 
JAM said:
You criticize Kevin Trudeau for his book sales, but what about some of these pool people who, IMHO, take advantage of women and poor people? Are they any different than Kevin Trudeau?
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I didn't catch who you are referring to here. Who is taking advantage of women and poor people? Who ever they are, no, they are not any different than KT, they both suck.
 
If it's true that Earl is now involved with Bonus Ball, things are going to get even more interesting. Can't wait for the season to start!

Go Phoenix Flames!

Roger
 
JAM said:
I can understand your disappointment from your vantage point, but make no mistake about it, it wasn't "free" money. We spent quite a bit on suitable attire for the tournaments, travel expenses to and from tournaments, my time away from work, which was a big loss of income, et cetera. It was by no means free money. We tried to go along with the program and give it our all, Keith and I both.

I do disagree with you, however, that he fired an air barrel. We got paid. Granted, it took a while, but we got paid. I don't fault him for taking a while to pay us due to the fact that he lost so many millions on this pool venture. He was given bad info from the start, whoever consulted with him, about how to get the IPT platform launched. His vision was flawed, which ruined the mission.

You, of course, are entitled to think what you want about the IPT and Kevin Trudeau, but I admire him for trying to make something happen positive for pool. You criticize Kevin Trudeau for his book sales, but what about some of these pool people who, IMHO, take advantage of women and poor people? Are they any different than Kevin Trudeau? Think about it and get back to me. My people will get together with your people, and we'll do Chinese. :smile:
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He wasn't given bad info-- he was given good info, actually. The IPT had zero to do with professional pool. It had 100% to do with online gambling between matches (many didn't know that). KT was going to setup an online site where viewers could bet on matches among each other (not a sports-book, but rather personal bets among the viewers, such as the Action Room here, where the house would charge a % for money transfers).

People often think someone like Mike Sigel fed him a ton of bs about how a pro tour could fly--- and that's flat wrong. The model was online gambling all along.

Just before the Reno event, congress passed a law completely outlawing online gambling -- which later led to the Fed ousting Poker Stars, etc. When this happened, that's when KT decided to pull the plug on everything.

KT lied about Ho investing in the IPT. In fact, when I asked for a private placement memorandum for the IPT following the fallout (because I offered KT to help him raise capital), he sent me an investment document that looked like a 4-year-old typed it up (he prob did himself). Whoever would have "invested" in the IPT would have been STUNG.

Furthermore, before the start of the IPT event in Reno (KT already decided to pull the plug, I'm sure), KT made an announcement to raise the prize fund from $1.5M to $3M. Deno, myself and my partner sat in a pre-event meeting when my partner asked what their operating budget was moving forward. They had promised us a contract before the event and he slow rolled it (I wonder why). Deno then explained to us that KT doesn't NEED a budget because "that's how he rolls" and was a billionaire.

So that's that---- not bad info---- it was a online gambling scheme that fell through--- well calculated.

There you have it.

Dave
 
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He wasn't given bad info-- he was given good info, actually. The IPT had zero to do with professional pool. It had 100% to do with online gambling between matches (many didn't know that). KT was going to setup an online site where viewers could bet on matches among each other (not a sports-book, but rather personal bets among the viewers, such as the Action Room here, where the house would charge a % for money transfers).

People often think someone like Mike Sigel fed him a ton of bs about how a pro tour could fly--- and that's flat wrong. The model was online gambling all along.

Just before the Reno event, congress passed a law completely outlawing online gambling -- which later led to the Fed ousting Poker Stars, etc. When this happened, that's when KT decided to pull the plug on everything.

KT lied about Ho investing in the IPT. In fact, when I asked for a private placement memorandum for the IPT following the fallout (because I offered KT to help him raise capital), he sent me an investment document that looked like a 4-year-old typed it up (he prob did himself). Whoever would have "invested" in the IPT would have been STUNG.

Furthermore, before the start of the IPT event in Reno (KT already decided to pull the plug, I'm sure), KT made an announcement to raise the prize fund from $1.5M to $3M. Deno, myself and my partner sat in a pre-event meeting when my partner asked what their operating budget was moving forward. They had promised us a contract before the event and he slow rolled it (I wonder why). Deno then explained to us that KT doesn't NEED a budget because "that's how he rolls" and was a billionaire.

So that's that---- not bad info---- it was a online gambling scheme that fell through--- well calculated.

There you have it.

Dave
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I don't agree that KT created the IPT on the come if the Ho guy was going to join him for online gambling, but I do agree this may have occurred when the IPT was in progress.
 
Whatever his plans were, KT ultimately tried to stiff the players for purse prizes in the millions. Call him entrepreneurial if you like but don't call him honest, scrupulous or ethical.
 
sjm said:
Whatever his plans were, KT ultimately tried to stiff the players for purse prizes in the millions. Call him entrepreneurial if you like but don't call him honest, scrupulous or ethical.
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Nobody used the adjectives you provided: "honest," "scrupulous," "ethical," or "entrepreneurial."

Whatever his plans were, he sure as hell put his money where his mouth was. That's more than I can say about a lot of his critics.
 
JAM said:
I don't agree that KT created the IPT on the come if the Ho guy was going to join him for online gambling, but I do agree this may have occurred when the IPT was in progress.
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Ho was a scam/cover story. Ho knew nothing of it.

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KT screwed some people, but the events he put on were in a different stratosphere than anything before or since.

We should talk about the IPT. Regardless of KT's ethics, he put millions into the game. There wasn't problames wiht the KT tour until the last event. Yet, the events prior had poor followings, by pool players, by pool fans, and by general public fans. Now, we have another guy doing the same thing. Is there anything that we learned from KT's tour, that we can apply to Bonus Ball? From a fan, player, promoter, or otherwise standpoint?

If the Pro's view Bonus Ball as just another "payday", then it will fail too. I don't know what the formula should be, but I think a big part of it should be for the Pro's to actively promote whoever is dumping millions into the game, instead of treating it like a handout.
 
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