Boyes pulling a very questionable move on Daulton

Pool is 90% mental and the psychology of aggression is a factor in performance.

If a player who just won a game jumps to the table so quickly that the cue ball is still rolling as they place their cue on the table, then they are making a statement.

Any alpha player would notice this behavior and would be remiss if there was not some response. They may not make issue of it at the time of the occurrence but you can't allow your opponent to gain psychological momentum.

Calling the foul was simply an effort, within the rules, to prevent his opponent from holding the higher ground and put a damper on his enthusiasm.

It may seem petty to some but if you truly understand the psychological interplay of performance, you will see this situation as nothing more than a controlled response to an aggressive action.

There is no right or wrong here....it's just competition.

That might be one of the best posts that I have read on here,and I agree. John B.
 
In all of my 35 years on the road hustling and playing in small and big tourneys, I have never,not once,let a moving cball touch my cue after I shot the game winning ball in the hole. NEVER!!



Can anyone guess why I have NEVER let that happen??



Let me explain it to ya...because some will call you on it!!! It's called a rule for a reason!!



The blah blah blahs about it was not close to scratching does not have anything to do with,sorry and I'm sorry to my good friend Shannon Daulton for putting him self in this predicament. John B.


I agree with you John, it doesn't change the fact that Karl Boyes is a scum bag


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In all of my 35 years on the road hustling and playing in small and big tourneys, I have never,not once,let a moving cball touch my cue after I shot the game winning ball in the hole. NEVER!!

Can anyone guess why I have NEVER let that happen??

Let me explain it to ya...because some will call you on it!!! It's called a rule for a reason!!

The blah blah blahs about it was not close to scratching does not have anything to do with,sorry and I'm sorry to my good friend Shannon Daulton for putting him self in this predicament. John B.

Again, nobody is questioning the rule.
 
I cannot locate the thread about Rodney's foul that I was referencing. For some reason, some of the AzBilliards Discussion Forum archives is not online anymore. Not sure why.

Here is one post I found referencing it, though: One year at the World Pool Championship, Rodney Morris was studying a shot, and he gently let his cue stick touch the table as he was measuring a straight line, to see more clearly how the object ball would go.

The referee immediately came up and told Rodney he broke the rule by using his cue on the table as a measuring device. It was counted as a foul, and he forfeighted his shot.

It was written in the rules, but the Americans, according to Charlie Williams, never received a copy that year. You would think that Charlie Williams in his role as President of the UPA, the men's pro organization at that time, would have gotten the rules to his beloved UPA members before such a prestigious event.

Rodney is still one of my all-time favorite American players.


I get PTSD just thinking about the UPA. :mad:
 
Again, nobody is questioning the rule.

I get what you're saying. It's what we say here in the States is a "nitty move." It is nitty, especially among friends.

Tournament soliders, especially those of the Euro brand, have a different take on rules. Even if it was their friend, I think they'd call the foul. In America, a competitor might see three easy shots as the last three on the table and just "give" it to the opponent, knowing it's duck soup, like what Earl did for Keith in this snippet: https://youtu.be/vHQw9T5uvyk?t=196

Most tournament soldiers are pool purists. I equate it to the left wing and the right wing in politics :D

You have the liberals and the conservatives. Tournament soldiers are conservatives. Action players are liberals. ;)
 
Rules are rules, this isn't some friendly match for 10 bucks a rack, it's the US Open FFS. Shannon should have accepted the fact that he screwed up and got on with it. He might not have lost his gear if he'd done that.


Just to add, I would never call that foul on anyone, but there again, I have never really played high stakes pool.
 
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so he's grabbed your crotch, too?

(credit to JB for the "dick move" reference ;))

while it was a legit claim, it was bad form, especially from a "pro". but if qualified, this is coming from the same person who was sharking via crotch grabs, eye-blinks, etc. (Spartan, i need your links please) petty, if you ask me.

@ poolplaya1996 - meet us downstairs tomorrow night, and i'll pick you up off of the floor....

Here you go , Pink
Guapo (translated : Handsome LOL) has plenty of moves.

Shakes shoes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9It-WcQQA3Y&feature=player_detailpage#t=836

Blinks twice and Romanian Bab misses LOLOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9It-WcQQA3Y&feature=player_detailpage#t=1320

scratch fingers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9It-WcQQA3Y&feature=player_detailpage#t=3601


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Rules are rules, this isn't some friendly match for 10 bucks a rack, it's the US Open FFS. Shannon should have accepted the fact that he screwed up and got on with it. He might not have lost his gear if he'd done that.

The one and only truth. The rest is just a good chance to bash Boyes no matter what, AZB's favorite sport these days.
 
Did Shannon do the same exact thing against his opponent as mentioned earlier? Everyone is always assuming when stuff like this happens. That the poor guy who committed the needless foul would not have called the exact foul on his opponent. Would I call it on an opponent. No. How do I know if they would call it on me? What if it was a ref who called that foul? Which is this case, was brought to the refs attention. The ref ruled a foul. What if the ref ruled in the spirit of sportsmanship I can not call this foul? What would be everyone's thoughts then. Forget who was playing.

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Even if that is the rule, Boyes is still a POS for calling it. That's the epitome of being a nit.


He certainly is, he's one of those logs that sticks to the back of the toilet that needs 3, or even 4 flushes to get rid of


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Tournament soliders, especially those of the Euro brand, have a different take on rules. Even if it was their friend, I think they'd call the foul.

To be fair, as Ron Swanson pointed out earlier, in English pool / snooker there is a near obsession with calling your own fouls, so the situation probably wouldn't come up ;).
 
To be fair, as Ron Swanson pointed out earlier, in English pool / snooker there is a near obsession with calling your own fouls, so the situation probably wouldn't come up ;).

Maybe that's why all those Euros like coming to the States to play *real* pool with *real* players who have heart. Not everybodyh enjoys watching emotionless tournament robots playing mum pool.

USA, all the way! People come from around the world to enjoy pool American style with emotion. Euros should take a tip from the Americans and show a little personality instead of being the Walking Dead of the pool world.
 
Maybe that's why all those Euros like coming to the States to play *real* pool with *real* players who have heart. Not everybodyh enjoys watching emotionless tournament robots playing mum pool.

USA, all the way! People come from around the world to enjoy pool American style with emotion. Euros should take a tip from the Americans and show a little personality instead of being the Walking Dead of the pool world.

Meh, pool players in general are boring. Europe definitely has its fair share, though.
 
Maybe that's why all those Euros like coming to the States to play *real* pool with *real* players who have heart. Not everybodyh enjoys watching emotionless tournament robots playing mum pool.

USA, all the way! People come from around the world to enjoy pool American style with emotion. Euros should take a tip from the Americans and show a little personality instead of being the Walking Dead of the pool world.

All the Euro-emotion goes into Soccer. I love the Soccer Hooligans, there's nothing quite so funny as a couple of drunken Brits mixing it up over a Soccer match
 
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