Brain Food - How Would You Play This?

inside follow on both shots, a touch less on the first shot to make sure I don't get near-straight on the 8.

Going forward, making sure you hit the long rail first, ensures your CB going into the shot. It's lower risk and more "nerve-proof" than punching out one rail, imo.

-Roger
 
The reason why I posted these two shots is because of how often they come-up. Instead of constantly talking about the bizarre, I thought it would be good to talk about the every-day shot.

Personally, I would treat both differently. My goal in the first shot is to be able to return to the foot-end of the table so I'm looking to not get straight on the 8-ball. I'd use a center-ball hit with a little right and look to get past mid-table. My goal is to stay at least one diamond away from the head-rail.

The second shot is leading me to end-game position. I'm using high left and going three rails with the intention to get straight.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
The second shot is leading me to end-game position. I'm using high left and going three rails with the intention to get straight.
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Just juice it up more, you can come in around the 3rd diamond and the reverse kills it off that last rail...it's hard to mess it up. The single rail option is easy to mess up; even though it is a simpler shot.

Did I just make up a word? :p
 
seymore15074 said:
Just juice it up more, you can come in around the 3rd diamond and the reverse kills it off that last rail...it's hard to mess it up. The single rail option is easy to mess up; even though it is a simpler shot.

Did I just make up a word? :p
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So you say same approach but different amounts of juice (by this, I think you mean spin & speed)?

My concern about using this route for the first shot is the fear of landing straight (or near straight). It's simply no fun getting back to the other side of the table when you do. However, you're right. By going my way, I'm taking a different risk if I fail to get the cue-ball up-table enough.

I think what's interesting here is that you'll see very good players play it different ways. I just wanted to see what people had to say.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
The reason why I posted these two shots is because of how often they come-up. Instead of constantly talking about the bizarre, I thought it would be good to talk about the every-day shot.

Personally, I would treat both differently. My goal in the first shot is to be able to return to the foot-end of the table so I'm looking to not get straight on the 8-ball. I'd use a center-ball hit with a little right and look to get past mid-table. My goal is to stay at least one diamond away from the head-rail.

The second shot is leading me to end-game position. I'm using high left and going three rails with the intention to get straight.
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Jude...It amazes me how many posters would automatically shoot these shots with sidespin. The way you have the shots diagrammed, a centerball hit will bring the CB uptable, with a medium speed stroke. The correct speed leaves the correct angle, to return downtable. No guess work...no potential scratches...very simple, straightforward shots.

Scott Lee
poolknowledge.com
 
Scott Lee said:
Jude...It amazes me how many posters would automatically shoot these shots with sidespin. The way you have the shots diagrammed, a centerball hit will bring the CB uptable, with a medium speed stroke. The correct speed leaves the correct angle, to return downtable. No guess work...no potential scratches...very simple, straightforward shots.

Scott Lee
poolknowledge.com
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So you'd shoot both this way? I think I'd only shoot the first one this way. The second, I might spin around the table but that's because getting straight is cool.
 
YOU'RE ALL WRONG:

Shot 1- Bank the 7 four rails into the side with hella draw. Draw the CB 6 rails for a dead bank on the 8.

Shot 2- Bank the 8 two rails in the corner at 3:00. Pray you get something that might look like a decent shot on the 9.
 
You could put me on the fastest table on earth or the slowest table on earth and I will make that 3 railer and get on that ball in the first try...not scratching and still have an angle on the eight... It's a no brainer and it amazes me that so many do not see that.
 
Scott Lee said:
Jude...It amazes me how many posters would automatically shoot these shots with sidespin.
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I've spent years in the mode using spin on ALL shots. I'm trying to reform my game.

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seymore15074 said:
It's a no brainer and it amazes me that so many do not see that.
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It's not that we don't see it... speaking personally, my experience has taught me that getting the proper 3-rail shape (to get from the 8 to the 9) in case #1 is not always a given.

This evening I'll set up the table for case #1 a total of ten times... and try 1-rail shape for the 8 a total of 5 times... and the other 5 times, I'll go 3 rails to get to the 8... and I'll see how times I get out going one way or the other.

And I'll add that I'll not practice either shot before I set up the table the 10 times and see which way works better for me.

You try the same and we'll report back tomorrow... OK?
 
cigardave said:
It's not that we don't see it... speaking personally, my experience has taught me that getting the proper 3-rail shape (to get from the 8 to the 9) in case #1 is not always a given.

This evening I'll set up the table for case #1 a total of ten times... and try 1-rail shape for the 8 a total of 5 times... and the other 5 times, I'll go 3 rails to get to the 8... and I'll see how times I get out going one way or the other.

And I'll add that I'll not practice either shot before I set up the table the 10 times and see which way works better for me.

You try the same and we'll report back tomorrow... OK?
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This is a great idea. I'll even print out the diagram so I can make sure to get it right. :D
 
Replying to the highlighted text in the diagram by mosconiac.

Yes the error on those exact paths is huge. However what about if you aren't on those paths. Say you come up a little short on your draw leaving yourself coming along the line directly at the 8-ball. You're screwed. Using inside gets you to the 8-ball. That's all there is too it. Too much inside has you hitting the rail just above the corner pocket, not enough has you hitting near the side pocket. Ultimately you have angle to get back for the nine. If you can follow your path exactly the error is better with no scratch chance but I prefer inside. I feel there is more room for error.
 
Shots of this type are a personal preference. I feel speed better by coming off the last rail, rather than to the last rail. I'd shoot the 7 with center inside coming off the foot rail for an angle on the 8. Given the same angle on the 8 to the 9, I'd still use inside but not as much, plus keep in mind, enough inside that I don't hit the point on the side pocket.

Its easy enough to use center right on the 7 to the 8 if the table has some speed. A scratch in the corner would not be a concern. On a slow table I prefer not to shoot it this way.

At what point does your strategy change? Move the c/b up or down a balls width, what then? Its interesting how such a small move can change how you plan a route.

When I walk to the table (the 7 ball shot) with the c/b down a balls width I no longer vision using right as an option. I use inside follow to the third long rail, well short of the end rail.

Same shot but up a balls width I no longer vision inside as an option. I'd use center right. These small differences is what makes the game so interesting.

I'll add a comment. It sometimes difficult to know by looking at the cuetable exactly what any of us would do. The best approach is on a table. For reference exactly how far is the 7 off the rail. Some may think an inch others may see it as a half inch or less. Where is the c/b exactly?

Rod
 
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LOL, this amazes me! This has got to be one of the most routine long-routes in 9-ball and we have a debate! I'm not going to say which is correct since I've seen great players play it both ways.

I'll do the test today, too. I'm heading to the poolroom in a little bit.
 
Either way, it's nice to see a thread that has to do with the game and not "who/what's your favorite......"
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I'll do the test today, too. I'm heading to the poolroom in a little bit.
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You guys have fun without me, I'm stuck in the office today...and its "family night" after that. :o

BTW Jude, I like your new avatar better. That old one made me cringe...it looked like a massive miscue. Also, how f'in big are those guys on the table behind you? They look like pro wrestlers or something. :)
 
Damn!
I always play it one rail.
Now I HAVE to go to the pool hall and try it 10 times.
That will probably lead to gambling, smoking and drinking.
Oh, what I won't do in the interests of scientific research.
Geez.
 
mosconiac said:
You guys have fun without me, I'm stuck in the office today...and its "family night" after that. :o

BTW Jude, I like your new avatar better. That old one made me cringe...it looked like a massive miscue. Also, how f'in big are those guys on the table behind you? They look like pro wrestlers or something. :)
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I guess it's a strange angle. The guy behind me on the right is shorter than me.

As for the "miscue" in my old avatar, the picture was taken after the cue-ball caromed off an object-ball which is why you see it heading in a direction that's not consistent with my cue. I thought it was fun to look at, that's all.
 
seymore15074 said:
I love these threads... It's nice how there is an image and not a wei table or something for this. I'm at work and can only view the images!
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Just in case people got confused, this is an image of a Wei table. It's a screen shot of a diagram on Cuetable.com, made by Wei.

Fred
 
seymore15074 said:
This is a great idea. I'll even print out the diagram so I can make sure to get it right. :D
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I printed it our as well... :)

... and what I'll do is to alternate the pathes that I take... 1 rail first... then 3-rail... back to 1-rail... and then 3-rail again... and so on, so as not to get too much of a practice factor going either way.
 
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