break rak- greatest idea ever
- Thread starter mikeiniowa
- Start date
T-dog said:
no a real top player, not the the grinnell city champion.
"A couple dozen Pros, a dozen major Pool Schools in America & thousands of customers all write me about their success using a BreakRAK."
these claims are interesting, what pros are you referring to???
these claims are interesting, what pros are you referring to???
mike
You got the 7 mike. =) see you the 29th
You got the 7 mike. =) see you the 29th
And I always thought you would be a great player cept the shakin!
Al
Al
I wish I had bought one at the BCA in May, maybe NEXT YEAR.
smashmouth said:
I know one pro who uses one and has a monster break, it work great for him, I cant say who, its not Johnny. But it is a top pro. I have spoke to a few real strong players who like it, infact I havent heard of anyone not liking it,
I personally thout it was a gaff when I saw the pics of it. I'd buy one but I cant break right now cause my back hurts too much,
Having played golf and pool now for quite a long time, I've seen my fair share of gadgets, most of them ineffective, poorly designed, etc. I watched the videos, this actually seems like a cool device. Especially since lately I've been hitting the 1 off center and the cueball has been flying, generating a weaker-than-normal break, I fixed it a little the other day but it took a lot of effort to keep reracking the balls etc.
Nice device!
Scott
Nice device!
Scott
Joe T
New member
smashmouth said:
Same as fatboy said, I know for sure that a lot of top players use them because they've asked me where to get them and also asked me to get them one quietly. If they're not getting paid to use them they would rather save their product endorsement value I guess and Charley respects that.
I highly recommend it to anyone that plays runout pool or believes that if they broke a little better they could become a runout player. It helped my break more than anything else I tried and believe me words can't describe how hard I tried. I still need it because I lose the timing when not playing all the time.
To Jay, believe me when I say you'll know if you're hitting them good or not because you'll see your cb's reaction and you'll feel the power OR not but you'll know.
As I always say " I can't believe I didn't invent this contraption!"
Joe T said:
To Joe &/or Ceebee &/or Physics experts,
How does the breakrack work in terms of effective mass?
To clarify, when we hit a 9-ball or 8-ball rack, when tight, the effective mass of the front ball is increased, such that the CB bounces backward. The breakrack looks like it has a higher mass, as several balls are connected together.
Is there some compensation for this, such that it represents the mass that a CB hits in a real break?
I'm not sure what that mass would be. I'd guess about 15% more than hitting a single object ball.
Colin
Joe T
New member
Colin Colenso said:
I can't answer in exact terms but I know he uses some kind of shock absorber in the middle there and can also add that my cb would react very close to the same when switching to regular rack of balls. I do think the new shock absorber he uses now deadens the cb a little more than the older version did.
Thanks Joe,Joe T said:
I figured it must need some type of absorber, else it would act as a much larger mass. If he has that factor close to right, it would be a very valuable tool in break positioning, in addition to its benefits as a great alternative to time-wasting-re-racking.
It's on my Xmas list.
Colin
Last edited:
The break rak is used to practice your breaks without having to re-rack every time. It's like a pseudo-rack on a huge "bow" that resets after every break. VERY cool, I think. I saw it at the expo-
Dave
Dave
It feels a bit 'heavier' than a rack o' 9 to me.Colin Colenso said:
install a power meter?
I'm sure many golfers here have seen the practice aid (promoted a lot by Vijay Singh) called the SpeedStick.
http://innovagolf.com/spstgoswtrvi.html
Just wonderin'... I suppose a power meter of sorts could be added, something that measures the force. I envision an inexpensive device attached on the back of that 4-ballish-looking-thingie. It would incorporate a simple sliding mechanism which moves forwards within the device as the meter is thrown backwards on the break. The BreakRak Crackin' Meter (insert TM here) would have graduations. It would be easily reset each time with a little pinch between the thumb and forefinger.
Plz don't forget to send royalties to:
Greedy "The Crusher" McBanger
6 Andout Dr
Scratchrock, In
Keepin' it above the table,
Matt
I'm sure many golfers here have seen the practice aid (promoted a lot by Vijay Singh) called the SpeedStick.
http://innovagolf.com/spstgoswtrvi.html
Just wonderin'... I suppose a power meter of sorts could be added, something that measures the force. I envision an inexpensive device attached on the back of that 4-ballish-looking-thingie. It would incorporate a simple sliding mechanism which moves forwards within the device as the meter is thrown backwards on the break. The BreakRak Crackin' Meter (insert TM here) would have graduations. It would be easily reset each time with a little pinch between the thumb and forefinger.
Plz don't forget to send royalties to:
Greedy "The Crusher" McBanger
6 Andout Dr
Scratchrock, In
Keepin' it above the table,
Matt
Mister KoolKat9Lives, you are partially correct. Adding an electrical gadget, to inform the player of the impact (MPH or PSI), would be COOL. It would have to be a remote setup, because wires are troublesome to everyone. That might cause us to worry about Pacemakers, the FCC & who knows what.
This would add some cost to the BreakRAK & that would really be a killer for the company. The cost of a good radar setup, with a remote digital display is about $1000.
Good players around the world, play for thousands of dollars, but spending $200+, to give them some quality practice of a shot, that can truly give a player the edge, is somehow too much to spend.
Thanks for the input, Crusher McBanger, we have looked at this option for a few years, but nothing is rational cost-wise. I am constantly seeking seeking new ways to make this a better tool for my customers, to learn with.
There is no magic in the BreakRAK, it is a tool to develop the magic in you. Repetition is the vehicle that humans use to learn muscle memory & develop rhythm.
Thanks for the kind words & the questions. Good luck to you all.
This would add some cost to the BreakRAK & that would really be a killer for the company. The cost of a good radar setup, with a remote digital display is about $1000.
Good players around the world, play for thousands of dollars, but spending $200+, to give them some quality practice of a shot, that can truly give a player the edge, is somehow too much to spend.
Thanks for the input, Crusher McBanger, we have looked at this option for a few years, but nothing is rational cost-wise. I am constantly seeking seeking new ways to make this a better tool for my customers, to learn with.
There is no magic in the BreakRAK, it is a tool to develop the magic in you. Repetition is the vehicle that humans use to learn muscle memory & develop rhythm.
Thanks for the kind words & the questions. Good luck to you all.
ok, I've got to chime in here.......
For years I have been a top local player in my pond. The players I typically compete with day to day can play well, but they aren't top pros by any stretch. Although they can run out impressive tables occasionally and play some cagey safeties, they also make enough mistakes to allow me to get to the table many more times that they run out from the break. Dry breaks, missed shots, sell out safeties, and missed kicks allow me to the table often enough that I have been able to win many tournaments and sessions without a particularly strong break.
In the last few years I have been playing pro tournaments, regional tournaments, and matching up with much better players for money. Against high caliber players it is clear- you can spend years learning to play pool at the highest level and it won't matter if you don't get to shoot! You must earn your right to play.
For me, working on shots that help me get control of the table rewards me far more than practicing running out at this time. And the break is to getting control of the table what the stop shot is to position play: an absolutely critical foundation of the game which comes up EVERY GAME and must be practiced beyond mastery.
That being said, the break rak won't guarantee that you will always make a ball or never scratch. It won't show you how to play shape on the one ball, or how to leave gaps or twist in the wing ball. It won't allow you to run out balls and see what your break and run percentage is.
What it will do is allow you to practice the actual stroke of the break 20 times more quickly that if you have to jack around gathering balls and hunching over the table trying to get a tight rack every time. It allows you to break again and again, while the cue ball reaction will give you immediate feedback as to your accuracy and tip placement.
So for anyone that thinks that $260 is too much for this device, start keeping track of the following: 1) How much money you spend on other pool expenses (table time, gas, hotels, entry fees, calcuttas, drinks, cues and cue repair, gambling, quarters, jukebox, touch screen games, books, dvds, lessons, loans that don't get repaid, etc.) 2) How many money/tournament games you lose do to coming up dry, scratching, or making a ball and letting the cue ball go and getting hooked.
Even if the break rak is just a placebo that helps people expect better things to happen it is worth twice the price. The fact that it works exceptionally well is just a bonus. A bonus that will take you to the finals.
Thanks Charlie.........(and Mikeiniowa for the referral)
For years I have been a top local player in my pond. The players I typically compete with day to day can play well, but they aren't top pros by any stretch. Although they can run out impressive tables occasionally and play some cagey safeties, they also make enough mistakes to allow me to get to the table many more times that they run out from the break. Dry breaks, missed shots, sell out safeties, and missed kicks allow me to the table often enough that I have been able to win many tournaments and sessions without a particularly strong break.
In the last few years I have been playing pro tournaments, regional tournaments, and matching up with much better players for money. Against high caliber players it is clear- you can spend years learning to play pool at the highest level and it won't matter if you don't get to shoot! You must earn your right to play.
For me, working on shots that help me get control of the table rewards me far more than practicing running out at this time. And the break is to getting control of the table what the stop shot is to position play: an absolutely critical foundation of the game which comes up EVERY GAME and must be practiced beyond mastery.
That being said, the break rak won't guarantee that you will always make a ball or never scratch. It won't show you how to play shape on the one ball, or how to leave gaps or twist in the wing ball. It won't allow you to run out balls and see what your break and run percentage is.
What it will do is allow you to practice the actual stroke of the break 20 times more quickly that if you have to jack around gathering balls and hunching over the table trying to get a tight rack every time. It allows you to break again and again, while the cue ball reaction will give you immediate feedback as to your accuracy and tip placement.
So for anyone that thinks that $260 is too much for this device, start keeping track of the following: 1) How much money you spend on other pool expenses (table time, gas, hotels, entry fees, calcuttas, drinks, cues and cue repair, gambling, quarters, jukebox, touch screen games, books, dvds, lessons, loans that don't get repaid, etc.) 2) How many money/tournament games you lose do to coming up dry, scratching, or making a ball and letting the cue ball go and getting hooked.
Even if the break rak is just a placebo that helps people expect better things to happen it is worth twice the price. The fact that it works exceptionally well is just a bonus. A bonus that will take you to the finals.
Thanks Charlie.........(and Mikeiniowa for the referral)