Break speed? Theres an app 4 that....

Yep, I'm aware of the iPhone 4 issues. I've been talking back and forth with Apple engineers and other developers of iPhone apps that rely on audio. Most of the iPhone 4 apps that use audio are broken or are putting out updates as fast as they can.

In my tests, I've seen signs that point at the noise canceling microphone but I've also seen conflicting results with different types of tests. So from my tests, I'm not sure what's causing the issue - the audio certainly does appear "dampened" to me. However, Apple engineers assure me that this isn't caused by the noise canceling microphone.

I sure hope they are correct, because Apple has released no additional updates for developers to give them any access to the new audio hardware. This means that if it is the noise canceling mic, then there's no way to turn it off (this is also directly from Apple.)

I'm still looking into it. I didn't give up on the EVO issue, and I'm not about to give up on this one. Though, it would be if iOS 4 was open source. :)
 
And somehow, I completely forgot to mention this...

There is a way to get the iPhone 4 to produce valid results...

Simply plug in the earbuds (they include an in-line mic.) This will allow Break Speed to function while we work on finding a solution.
 
Should we start a new thread for Break Speed requested enhancements/suggestions or will we be staying in this one? I'll repost if we start a new one so here's my .02...

Love the App... Everyone in my home room has it now after a night of several of us downloading it to different phones and doing side by side comparisons.

I did notice that on my BB I had to have a small window, ie short wave file, for it to be as accurate as the droids or the IPs... But once I figured that out the 3 devices were usually within .2 of a MPH.

I would love to have the ability to store multiple players for king of the hill night so I am not always yelling wait wait while I move the cueball to their favorite spot. I do like that I can move the CB after the break on my BB if I forget and it changes the speed. The other thing that would rock would be if you could store maybe 10 breaks per player stored and it compute the avg. I could also see maybe creating a grading system to apply to the stored breaks. 1pt per ball 1pt for CB control 1pt for having a shot. Would be nice to store the CB starting position for this type of analysis as well.

I think you are just starting to scratch the surface with Break Speed I could seriously see you taking some of the Joe Tucker ideas on gaps and sitting down with break speed and deciding what speed and break position would work with each gap on different size tables.

I intend to start a manual log asap now that I can depend on an actual MPH instead of a feeling of 70% 80% or 90% when trying cut breaks and different CB positions.

Keep up the good work.
 
Distance

I have heard that being off from the breaking position changes the speed greatly. Can you add the ability to measure the speed from a distance I enter. I could measure from the cue ball to the point I want to hit. I would expect this would be more accurate that the defaults that are currently available. And that way I could hit any ball ( first, second, whatever) on any table from any position and get the speed.
 
Break Speed Update

Sorry for the late reply, I must have missed a notification email.

The latest version is out (v1.5) for Android, iPhone and BlackBerry. This one works on iPhone 4.

You can actually thank the iPhone 4 for this update - Apple introduced some really nice voice processing with their mic. It's very nice for voice, but horrendous for Breaks. They didn't document this, and didn't give you a way to turn it off. So for the past bunch of weeks, I've been developing an all new break recognition technology. It's much more CPU intensive and more complex than the original by a few orders of magnitude, but the up-shot is that it is really hard to get a failure.

In fact, when I had it running on a phone, I started testing. I took it to the local pool halls (including some that are also bowling alleys, bars, nice places and dives), with the intention of finding out just how robust it is. This means pushing some limits until it breaks. It took me two days to see my first failure, because that's about how long it took me to get a cue ball to bounce 4-5 feet off the table. For the record, I had one actually manage to make it all the way through my light fixture to my ceiling fan, and Break Speed didn't miss the break.

The BB is getting better. How much it is improved is based on the type of device you have. The Pearl is the most challenging, and we're still fine-tuning that one. There will be an improvement, but not as much as we'd like to see yet. The other devices (like the 8800 and that line) will see a marked improvement. The reliability went from somewhere in the low 80% range to somewhere in the high 90% range from our tests.

The problem with the Pearl is that it first records at a lower bit rate than the iPhone/Android and then it decimates the audio with AGC, and THEN, it chews it up and spits it out in AMR format (compressed to preserve voice only.) If you actually play back these recordings, even a human being wouldn't know there was a break shot in that audio recording. Even still, I think we're seeing something like 60-80% range.

Here are some of the improvements:

Talking loudly/screaming (or even bend over the phone and scream at the top of your lungs at it) before the break will no longer confuse it.

Previously, if you were to break from the side rail and place the phone on that same rail, it could get confused because the stick vibration is right next to the mic. Not any more.

Previously, if you were to miscue but still have a valid break, the stick vibration from the miscue could confuse it. Not any more.

About the only things we've seen that have confused it are hard bounces after the break (I'm talking about balls getting airborne by 3-4 feet and landing on the table) and echoes. I still don't know how much we can do for echoes, because after all, that echo IS audio from a break.

If you're having problems with echoes, move the phone. Try the other side of the table. Try moving it into the corner of the room... there is almost always a place you can find that is a low-echo zone. At the US Open, I moved 10 feet along the side where the VIPs sit, and that's all it took.

General update:

So we're a bit behind schedule thanks to the iPhone 4 debacle and having to shut down our lives to create an all new break recognizer from scratch. But also thanks to the iPhone 4, we have a much more robust break recognizer. Next up is social media which shouldn't take too long, following that, we'll start digging into some of the user requests. Since we're doing them based on what users have requested, they'll get prioritized based on popularity.
 
XPeria?

Does anybody have an XPeria phone and are willing to test Break Speed? If so, please send me a PM with your Gmail address (the address that is associated to your phone and your Market account.)
 
I'm looking to buy this app for my iPhone. How it works with the iphone 4?Is The break speed reliable?
 
Slh,

Yes, the iPhone 4 issues were resolved a while ago. It works just as well as the other phones. In fact, the process of getting the iPhone 4 working provided a much improved recognition overall (i.e., more reliable results.)
 
Slh,

Yes, the iPhone 4 issues were resolved a while ago. It works just as well as the other phones. In fact, the process of getting the iPhone 4 working provided a much improved recognition overall (i.e., more reliable results.)

ok i will definitely buy this app. I just noticed you are the creator of the app, have you in mind to put the app on sale in this period? :D
 
I love this app. Works great on my Samsung Moment android phone. I usually break around 20mph and my buddy who is 6'5" wanted to see how much faster his break was. He clocked in at 16mph LMAO!
 
Well I bought this app last night and I believe it helped me to win a small tournament today and has already paid for itself. Before the tournament I clocked a few break speeds. The first break I hit hard, not my hardest but very close, about the same as I break in tournaments and I clocked in at 23 MPH. The next break I hit at about 80% of my power and I could control the break pretty well at 80% and guess what...it clocked at 22MPH. I decided that being in control was worth 1 MPH and my break was better than usual today.

Against my toughest opponent I had four breaks (alternate break format) and I made a ball all four breaks, one of them being the nine ball. One led to a 3-9 combo and another led to a 5-9 combo.

Thank you for providing a tool that helped me to develop some confidence in my break shot.

PS. I tried it on several different breakers today and it seemed to be accurate every time.
 
ok i will definitely buy this app. I just noticed you are the creator of the app, have you in mind to put the app on sale in this period? :D

Slh,

Sorry I missed your question... the app is already on sale and has been for a few weeks now.

20% off (from $5.99 down to $4.99.)
 
@pnettle
what about the pc-version. Long ago was said that you were working on it for using it on a notebook for example.
Will it come, or will it not come?
 
I do plan to produce one, but right now, we're in the midst of putting out updates for the mobile versions of the app.

Priories go where the requests come from, and the PC has only had about 2 or 3 requests for it.

If we continue having very few requests for a PC version, then the thing that will raise priority on getting a PC version will be when we start working with broadcasting and live streaming. This will require something on a laptop (plugged into a remote mike near the table.) This would allow the commentator to edit the results and show the various screens as well as display modes that would allow them to embed the results into the video image.
 
I do plan to produce one, but right now, we're in the midst of putting out updates for the mobile versions of the app.

Priories go where the requests come from, and the PC has only had about 2 or 3 requests for it.

If we continue having very few requests for a PC version, then the thing that will raise priority on getting a PC version will be when we start working with broadcasting and live streaming. This will require something on a laptop (plugged into a remote mike near the table.) This would allow the commentator to edit the results and show the various screens as well as display modes that would allow them to embed the results into the video image.
Hey what kind of updates Are you making to the mobile versions?
 
We're adding in support for the BreakRAK, which uses a custom recognizer (because you're not hitting a rack of balls, but rather a ball on a piston-like affair.)

We're also adding support to post your speeds to Facebook & Twitter. Each post will be something different (and specific to your actual break speed), so collect them all! :)

The new version works for XPeria devices (this was totally on Sony for their messed up audio drivers - *clap*clap*clap*).

The iPhone version is also getting some nice UI enhancements.

There are some other small changes.

These are the last batch of changes before we start looking at the right way to track stats and break history.
 
I had a problem with this app within the iphone 4, but after an update it works fine and I love it, it seems accurate to me too, I break 22mph to 23mph, trying to get higher without jumping off the cueball, any tips/suggestions would be nice, thanks
 
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