Break Stats -- 2012 Mosconi Cup, Dec. 2012

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I'm keeping track of the break results for the Mosconi Cup that started yesterday at York Hall in London. This event is 9-ball racing to 11 matches, with each match being a race to 5 games. There is one team match (everyone plays one game), 7 doubles matches, and up to 13 singles matches.

The players for the U.S. are Archer, Dechaine, Hatch, Shuff, and Van Boening. The players for Europe are Appleton, Ekonomopoulos, Feijen, Melling, and Van den Berg.

The conditions for this event include the following: Diamond table, Simonis 860 cloth, Aramith balls, measles cue ball, triangle rack, jump cues allowed, referee racks with the 9-ball on the foot spot, alternate breaks, break from anywhere behind the line, illegal break (surrender the inning) unless at least three balls reach the head string or are pocketed, 30-sec. shot clock (60 sec. after the break), one 30-sec. extension per side per game, foul on all balls, and all slop counts.

• • • • • See Post #19 below for cumulative results of the full 4 days of the event. • • • • • ​

Here are the results for the first two days combined. The score stands at 5-5 in matches (and 44-35 in Europe's favor in games).

DAYS 1 and 2 Combined -- Mon. 12/10 and Tues. 12/11

The U.S. broke 40 times, with the following results:​
Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 16 (40%)​
Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 13 (33%)​
Broke dry or illegally or fouled but won the game -- 1 (2%)​
Broke dry or illegally or fouled and lost the game -- 10 (25%)​
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Europe broke 39 times, with the following results:​
Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 18 (46%)​
Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 12 (31%)​
Broke dry or illegally or fouled but won the game -- 3 (8%)​
Broke dry or illegally or fouled and lost the game -- 6 (15%)​
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For the two teams combined, a ball was made on the break (without fouling or breaking illegally) 59 of the 79 games (75%), the breaker won 38 of the 79 games (48%), and the breaker won 34 (58%) of the 59 games in which he broke legally, made a ball on the break, and did not foul.​
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Break-and-run games:​
U.S. -- 11 out of 40 (27%)​
Europe -- 11 out of 39 (28%)​
Total -- 22 out of 79 (28%)​
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No 9-balls were made on the break in the first two days.​
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Thank you !!

AtLarge said:
I'm keeping track of the break results for the Mosconi Cup that started yesterday at York Hall in London. This event is 9-ball racing to 11 matches, with each match being a race to 5 games. There is one team match (everyone plays one game), 7 doubles matches, and up to 13 singles matches.

The players for the U.S. are Archer, Dechaine, Hatch, Shuff, and Van Boening. The players for Europe are Appleton, Ekonomopoulos, Feijen, Melling, and Van den Berg.

The conditions for this event include the following: Diamond table, Simonis 860 cloth, Aramith balls, measles cue ball, jump cues allowed, referee racks with the 9-ball on the foot spot, alternate breaks, break from anywhere behind the line, illegal break (surrender the inning) unless at least three balls reach the head string or are pocketed, 30-sec. shot clock (60 sec. after the break), one 30-sec. extension per side per game, foul on all balls, and all slop counts.

Here are the results for the first two days combined. The score stands at 5-5 in matches (and 44-35 in Europe's favor in games).

DAYS 1 and 2 Combined -- Mon. 12/10 and Tues. 12/11
The U.S. broke 40 times, with the following results:

  • [*]Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 16 (40%)
    [*]Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 13 (33%)B]
  • Broke dry or illegally or fouled but won the game -- 1 (2%)
  • Broke dry or illegally or fouled and lost the game -- 10 (25%)

Europe broke 39 times, with the following results:

  • [*]Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 18 (46%)
    [*]Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 12 (31%)B]
  • Broke dry or illegally or fouled but won the game -- 3 (8%)
  • Broke dry or illegally or fouled and lost the game -- 6 (15%)

For the two teams combined, a ball was made on the break (without fouling or breaking illegally) 59 of the 79 games (75%), the breaker won 38 of the 79 games (48%), and the breaker won 34 (58%) of the 59 games in which he broke legally, made a ball on the break, and did not foul.

Break-and-run games:
  • U.S. -- 11 out of 40 (27%)
  • Europe -- 11 out of 39 (28%)
  • Total -- 22 out of 79 (28%)
No 9-balls were made on the break in the first two days.
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TYVM for stats. Interesting to note the %'s with the 9 at the foot spot.
 
AtLarge said:
I'm keeping track of the break results for the Mosconi Cup that started yesterday at York Hall in London. This event is 9-ball racing to 11 matches, with each match being a race to 5 games. There is one team match (everyone plays one game), 7 doubles matches, and up to 13 singles matches.

The players for the U.S. are Archer, Dechaine, Hatch, Shuff, and Van Boening. The players for Europe are Appleton, Ekonomopoulos, Feijen, Melling, and Van den Berg.

The conditions for this event include the following: Diamond table, Simonis 860 cloth, Aramith balls, measles cue ball, jump cues allowed, referee racks with the 9-ball on the foot spot, alternate breaks, break from anywhere behind the line, illegal break (surrender the inning) unless at least three balls reach the head string or are pocketed, 30-sec. shot clock (60 sec. after the break), one 30-sec. extension per side per game, foul on all balls, and all slop counts.

Here are the results for the first two days combined. The score stands at 5-5 in matches (and 44-35 in Europe's favor in games).

DAYS 1 and 2 Combined -- Mon. 12/10 and Tues. 12/11
The U.S. broke 40 times, with the following results:
  • Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 16 (40%)
  • Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 13 (33%)
  • Broke dry or illegally or fouled but won the game -- 1 (2%)
  • Broke dry or illegally or fouled and lost the game -- 10 (25%)

Europe broke 39 times, with the following results:
  • Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 18 (46%)
  • Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 12 (31%)
  • Broke dry or illegally or fouled but won the game -- 3 (8%)
  • Broke dry or illegally or fouled and lost the game -- 6 (15%)

For the two teams combined, a ball was made on the break (without fouling or breaking illegally) 59 of the 79 games (75%), the breaker won 38 of the 79 games (48%), and the breaker won 34 (58%) of the 59 games in which he broke legally, made a ball on the break, and did not foul.

Break-and-run games:
  • U.S. -- 11 out of 40 (27%)
  • Europe -- 11 out of 39 (28%)
  • Total -- 22 out of 79 (28%)
No 9-balls were made on the break in the first two days.
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Hard to believe they are only making a ball on average 1 out of 4 games playing 9 ball.
 
Left or right please !

No breaks down the middle.

So my question is which is better, breaking from the left side or right side ?

IMO I think the right side was more productive.

Also I think the Euro team used the right side the most.

:cool:
 
Leftie or Rightie ?

Would that not depend on whether you shoot pool left or right handed ?!?
 
Dunnn51 said:
Would that not depend on whether you shoot pool left or right handed ?!?
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Went over your head huh ?

Are you short or something ?

If I must explain I meant the right or left side of the table.
Not to be confused with the player arms.

I really think you must be joking !

If not, would you like to buy some beachfront on Hudson Bay ?
 
Woah, Zilla , I think he means that people that shoot left handed tend to break from one side of the table versus people that shoot right handed.

I do think there is a correlation there, regardless of the statistical results of the outcome.
 
Funny

oldzilla said:
Went over your head huh ?

Are you short or something ?

If I must explain I meant the right or left side of the table.
Not to be confused with the player arms.

I really think you must be joking !

If not, would you like to buy some beachfront on Hudson Bay ?
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Actually, since i'm sandbagging AZ tonite I thought you were "digging"

The right is more productive, hence why most PRO's break from the right. Imma leftie, and I shoot from the right. satisfied?
 
PaulieB said:
Woah, Zilla , I think he means that people that shoot left handed tend to break from one side of the table versus people that shoot right handed.

I do think there is a correlation there, regardless of the statistical results of the outcome.
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Yep, I understand that but quality players should be able to preform a great break from either side !
Dunnn51 said:
Actually, since i'm sandbagging AZ tonite I thought you were "digging"

The right is more productive, hence why most PRO's break from the right. Imma leftie, and I shoot from the right. satisfied?
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Yes I am satisfied, tyvm.
 
The way it was explained to me, if you plan on power breaking, you will rotate/lunge the right side of your body if you're right-handed (and left side if left-handed). If you're right handed but break from the left, your hips are more apt to ram into the corner of the table. Breaking from the other side gives you more room to turn into it.

Did someone say they rack on the foot spot? Traditional rack? Did someone happen to notice which ball went the most... wing ball? head ball?
 
CreeDo said:
The way it was explained to me, if you plan on power breaking, you will rotate/lunge the right side of your body if you're right-handed (and left side if left-handed). If you're right handed but break from the left, your hips are more apt to ram into the corner of the table. Breaking from the other side gives you more room to turn into it.

Did someone say they rack on the foot spot? Traditional rack? Did someone happen to notice which ball went the most... wing ball? head ball?
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So righty's from the right and lefty's from the left.
Most all USA players broke from the left when the other team was doing good from the right ! :confused:

But did you notice Dennis being a lefty broke from the left with not so good results.
Hence my theory the better side being the right so far. As most players are righty's and they should do better on the right. I see most USA players break from the left and not well enough imo.

I DID pay more attention to this as the day progressed.
Not sure the way it went early on.
 
oldzilla said:
No breaks down the middle.

So my question is which is better, breaking from the left side or right side ?

IMO I think the right side was more productive.

Also I think the Euro team used the right side the most.

:cool:
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Right and left if shot from opposing yet equal positions should not matter

I agree with the guy that responded breaking side, is partly reflective of right or left hand dominance, thus preference
 
Illegal breaks dropped from 7 on Monday to 3 on Tuesday.
 
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With the Cup score standing at 9-6 in Europe's favor in matches (68-50 in games), here are the cumulative break results through three days of play.

DAYS 1-3 Combined -- Mon. 12/10 - Wed. 12/12

The U.S. broke 60 times, with the following results:​
Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 24 (40%)​
Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 21 (35%)​
Broke dry or illegally or fouled but won the game -- 1 (2%)​
Broke dry or illegally or fouled and lost the game -- 14 (23%)​
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Europe broke 58 times, with the following results:​
Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 28 (48%)​
Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 16 (28%)​
Broke dry or illegally or fouled but won the game -- 5 (9%)​
Broke dry or illegally or fouled and lost the game -- 9 (16%)​
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For the two teams combined, a ball was made on the break (without fouling or breaking illegally) 89 of the 118 games (75%), the breaker won 58 of the 118 games (49%), and the breaker won 52 (58%) of the 89 games in which he broke legally, made a ball on the break, and did not foul.​
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Break-and-run games:​
U.S. -- 14 out of 60 (23%)​
Europe -- 16 out of 58 (28%)​
Total -- 30 out of 118 (25%)​

No 9-balls that counted were made on the break in the first three days (one 9-ball was made but the breaker scratched).​
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Illegal breaks:

Monday -- 7 (4 wet, 3 dry)
Tuesday -- 3 (2 wet, 1 dry)
Wednesday -- 4 (2 wet, 2 dry)
 
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The 2012 Mosconi Cup has ended with an 11-9 victory for Europe (83-69 in games). Here are the cumulative break results for the event.

DAYS 1-4 Combined -- Mon. 12/10 - Thurs. 12/13

The U.S. broke 77 times, with the following results:​
Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 31 (40%)​
Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 26 (34%)​
Broke dry or illegally or fouled but won the game -- 5 (6%)​
Broke dry or illegally or fouled and lost the game -- 15 (19%)​
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Europe broke 75 times, with the following results:​
Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 35 (47%)​
Broke legally and made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 21 (28%)​
Broke dry or illegally or fouled but won the game -- 7 (9%)​
Broke dry or illegally or fouled and lost the game -- 12 (16%)​
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For the two teams combined, a ball was made on the break (without fouling or breaking illegally) 113 of the 152 games (74%), the breaker won 78 of the 152 games (51%), and the breaker won 66 (58%) of the 113 games in which he broke legally, made a ball on the break, and did not foul.​
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Break-and-run games:​
U.S. -- 18 out of 77 (23%)​
Europe -- 19 out of 75 (25%)​
Total -- 37 out of 152 (24%)​

No 9-balls that counted were made on the break (one 9-ball was made but the breaker scratched).​
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Illegal breaks:

Monday -- 7 (4 wet, 3 dry)
Tuesday -- 3 (2 wet, 1 dry)
Wednesday -- 4 (2 wet, 2 dry)
Thursday -- 2 (both wet)

Total -- 16 (11% of all breaks)
Total that were sole cause of surrender of inning -- 10 (7% of all breaks)
 
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