Broken tennon
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I thought the same thing - where's the tenon? Both the ferrule and shaft look hollow.
very very good, me and my friend the house pro at our hall, rob, we both love the shaft and want it to be made a bit better though. mine is still going good it has a slight tick sound when I make a draw shot and I am hoping that my tennon does not break either. But sum up, it is an amazing shaft, solid shaft with ld qualities. it has the ld qualities of an LD shaft like pred or ob but it is a solid shaft. It has actually replaced my z2 and my ob1 shaft as my everyday playing shaft.
I know what you mean, it is tapped 1.8in down the shaft from the tip of the shaft. I really like the shaft and it is great, but I told the builder that he may want to tap the shaft with a smaller drill bit...imo
Looks like Predators design, I have replace a few of their ferrules. The shafts are hollow for a couple of inches and the back of the ferrule is turned down and fits down the bored section of the shaft, however, not the entire length of the hollow part of the shaft.
I would be careful some of these designs are pattened and trade marked.
Take Care
I would be careful some of these designs are pattened and trade marked.
Take Care
Predators have a .250 hole drilled 5 inch deep into the front of the shaft. The ferrule doesn't have a tenon. The end of the shaft is turned down slightly and the ferrule is slipped over and glued onto the end of the shaft. At, or very near the end of the hollowed out shaft a small piece of Styrofoam, similar to the stuff coffee cups are made from, is place so that glue will not get inside and maybe cause a rattle.
Call Predator at: 1-888-314-4111 and explain your problem. I believe that they guarantee against this problem.
Dick
Call Predator at: 1-888-314-4111 and explain your problem. I believe that they guarantee against this problem.
Dick
Very informative. Thank you for sharing.
Ditto. Dick, thanks for clearing up that mystery to me. Seems that this design would be very fragile.
ok, now it happened again, the same exact thing...first it was the one I posted up top, the one my friend got and the builder would not replace it or even get back to me, and now mine just did the same thing, and I just tried to contact him, pretty soon I am going public with the builders name and info so he cannot rip off anyone else...and if the builder is reading this.....
make it right, I do not need to send you both shafts after showing you photo after photo and now that the second one is broken....thats it, I refuse to spend $60+ to ship out some broken shafts to you when there is nothing you can do with them except destroy them and claim that it never happened, if you send me a new one, my friend does not want another one, I want another one though, then once I get my new one, I will send you back your shafts...
I am a mechanic, if I fix someones brakes and the brake-line fails because it was left hanging or got hit or bent, I am clearly going to fix it free of cost. It is how things are done. make it right
make it right, I do not need to send you both shafts after showing you photo after photo and now that the second one is broken....thats it, I refuse to spend $60+ to ship out some broken shafts to you when there is nothing you can do with them except destroy them and claim that it never happened, if you send me a new one, my friend does not want another one, I want another one though, then once I get my new one, I will send you back your shafts...
I am a mechanic, if I fix someones brakes and the brake-line fails because it was left hanging or got hit or bent, I am clearly going to fix it free of cost. It is how things are done. make it right
RBC
Deceased
For those who don't know, this cue shaft is absolute patent fraud. It is a direct violation of Predator's patent.
I urge everyone to respect intellectual property rights. Failure to do so will destroy creativity.
This is much more serious than most would think.
Of course it is. Patent infringement and design theft are sort of accepted principals here on AZ. Its a "move".
In this case, you get what you pay for, right down to the message referring to you as "bro" by the "maker" of the POS broken product. How many have you bought and how many have broken? There's a "move" for sure, bro.
Kevin
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Drilling a hole down the center of a dowel (prior to finishing the shaft) is not an infringement on Predator's patent. Using ten pie shaped pieces to make up the dowel, might be.
It looks like the base of the ferrule has broken off. An easy fix. :smile:
It looks like the base of the ferrule has broken off. An easy fix. :smile:
Good to know. I was under the mistaken understanding that Predator held design patents on the entire process, not just the lamination.
Good to know I was wrong and thanks for straightening me out.
Thanks again
Kevin
I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not.
But I would find it very comical that a hole could become patented.
But I would find it very comical that a hole could become patented.
In Case your Google is brokey
http://www.google.com/patents/US6162128
I mean really when you think about it, what would the President of OB Cues know about patents on shaft design?
My (admittedly limited) understanding is that Titus copied nobody when he came up with lightening the end mass through boring and ferrule design as a method od lowering cue ball deflection. He invented and discovered it like Edison did with the light bulb filament, completely by trial and error until he hit on a thing that worked. That "new and better and nobody else doing it" is exactly why people file patents. I don't think the lamination was really a part of solving the deflection equation (which was the thrust of Titus's research), but rather a cheaper better way for them to mass produce shafts that would have their desired characteristics. As this guy who is ripping on Predator's patents shows, its not about lamination, its about lowering the mass at the point of impact.
Thanks
Kevin
http://www.google.com/patents/US6162128
I mean really when you think about it, what would the President of OB Cues know about patents on shaft design?
My (admittedly limited) understanding is that Titus copied nobody when he came up with lightening the end mass through boring and ferrule design as a method od lowering cue ball deflection. He invented and discovered it like Edison did with the light bulb filament, completely by trial and error until he hit on a thing that worked. That "new and better and nobody else doing it" is exactly why people file patents. I don't think the lamination was really a part of solving the deflection equation (which was the thrust of Titus's research), but rather a cheaper better way for them to mass produce shafts that would have their desired characteristics. As this guy who is ripping on Predator's patents shows, its not about lamination, its about lowering the mass at the point of impact.
Thanks
Kevin
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Ok, as I stated in the pm. My friend does not want another. I would like mine to be replaced though. My specs are.
Joint-Uni Loc
Collar-black thin
Diameter tip-12.1-12.2mm.
Diameter at joint-0.8375''/21.27mm.
Length-30"-30.5inches
Tip-layered soft.
And I will post pics tonight of the signature. My phone does not post photos. I can email you photos from my phone to make it easier. I would prefer to pm with you though I never got any response.