What the hell did Bustamante do at 42:45 of this match? How the hell did he do that? lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTGMZVben94&feature=related#t=42m45s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTGMZVben94&feature=related#t=42m45s
Bustamante shot vs Strickland
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This is advanced stuff, like when a guy would play position in 14.1 by jumping the cue ball over a ball or balls blocking his path. Francisco knew that if he hit the object ball firmly with a draw stroke and cheated the pocket a little, that the cue ball would slide a little before drawing back up table. He made it look easy. I can only guess that when you grow up playing rotation you learn stuff like this. How to bend and twist angles.
It looks like he just played a rail first force draw shot with a little right hand english to make sure he would get the CB upstairs to the balcony for the 6 
With the cloth and balls being new, the force of the speed and the draw would've naturally made the cubeall slide forward a little before the spin grabs the cloth and takes effect, and he basically used this to his advantage on the shot
Do you guys agree?
Willie
With the cloth and balls being new, the force of the speed and the draw would've naturally made the cubeall slide forward a little before the spin grabs the cloth and takes effect, and he basically used this to his advantage on the shot
Do you guys agree?
Willie
pure stroke and a little draw
My first thought was rail first too but the replay shows that isn't what happened. His preshot and stroke is so deceptive it is hard to see but it looks like it was pure power stroke with a little draw and maybe a little side. Look how much the rail compresses under the cue ball after it hits the object ball. Looks like it rebounded well off the rail before the draw took effect and started curving it back. Looks to me like there was enough power in the shot that he would have gotten a lot more draw had he hit the cue ball as low as possible.
Of course there are lies, damned lies, and video tape. I could be completely wrong.
Edit: There is a slow motion overhead at the end of the match. Unless my eyeballs need calibrating it clearly shows the cue ball hitting the rail after hitting the object ball.
My first thought was rail first too but the replay shows that isn't what happened. His preshot and stroke is so deceptive it is hard to see but it looks like it was pure power stroke with a little draw and maybe a little side. Look how much the rail compresses under the cue ball after it hits the object ball. Looks like it rebounded well off the rail before the draw took effect and started curving it back. Looks to me like there was enough power in the shot that he would have gotten a lot more draw had he hit the cue ball as low as possible.
Of course there are lies, damned lies, and video tape. I could be completely wrong.
Edit: There is a slow motion overhead at the end of the match. Unless my eyeballs need calibrating it clearly shows the cue ball hitting the rail after hitting the object ball.
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You're right about that Jay, but you also forgot about bank pool
lolBanks players learn how to turn the ball on the rail when playing a bank shot, as well as how to use different speeds to create different angles off the rails
I feel that Rotation, Banks, 1-Pocket and Straight Pool are the ultimate games to learn how to play well, to help become a good player
Willie
I liken it to golf. A local 10 handicap can draw or fade the ball. A Pro can "shape" the shot more, and adapt it to more situations.
lmao, I didn't think he hit the rail first either, but I couldn't decide on whether to call it as a rail first force draw or not
lolOh well, I goofed
Willie
I don't know that I'm right
Willie,
I'm just throwing my opinion out there, not saying it is the right one.
From the side view I guessed rail first, had to revise myself when I saw the overhead. Whatever he did it was a neat trick. I would have went rail first but then I ain't Bustamonte!
Hu
lmao, I didn't think he hit the rail first either, but I couldn't decide on whether to call it as a rail first force draw or not
Oh well, I goofed
Willie
Willie,
I'm just throwing my opinion out there, not saying it is the right one.
From the side view I guessed rail first, had to revise myself when I saw the overhead. Whatever he did it was a neat trick. I would have went rail first but then I ain't Bustamonte!Hu
what a stroke then! im guessing it takes a heck of a stroke to be able to delay the bend like that. i love busty! lol
now that i think about it after reading all the stuff you guys wrote..it is very similar to that corey deuel shot where he put inside eng. but it didnt take off in the first side rail but it did on the second side rail going the opposite way.
now that i think about it after reading all the stuff you guys wrote..it is very similar to that corey deuel shot where he put inside eng. but it didnt take off in the first side rail but it did on the second side rail going the opposite way.
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It's not rail first. He just rammed the cb into the rail very hard and it had no recourse but to bounce away from the rail. Consider,,,if all Busta wanted to do was draw back like the announcers expected, he would've used a nice smooth stroke. He hit the cb hard so that it would bounce off the rail hard and away from the 7.
And btw, that was cr@ppy replaying on that shot. They only showed it once for the viewers.
And btw, that was cr@ppy replaying on that shot. They only showed it once for the viewers.
It looks like he just played a rail first force draw shot with a little right hand english to make sure he would get the CB upstairs to the balcony for the 6
With the cloth and balls being new, the force of the speed and the draw would've naturally made the cubeall slide forward a little before the spin grabs the cloth and takes effect, and he basically used this to his advantage on the shot
Do you guys agree?
Willie
This, go on youtube and "shane van boening stroke shot" and you'll see what's done much clearly.
Great shot. I want to practice this baby and put it in the arsenal. Rep-worthy fo sho! :thumbup:
At 43:55 they show slow mo replay of it.
You'll notice pretty clearly he hits on the left side of the 4, that the rail reaches max compression AFTER contact with the 4, and he cheats the pocket to get the CB to bounce more off the rail. The 4 almost jars out due to his cheat.
It also seems obvious to me he's put a tough of right/inside on the CB, I believe to further get the CB off the rail.
KK9 <-- recalls starting the thread "forcing the CB off the rail, does inside help?" and that the responses were quite varied. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=185201
At 43:55 they show slow mo replay of it.
You'll notice pretty clearly he hits on the left side of the 4, that the rail reaches max compression AFTER contact with the 4, and he cheats the pocket to get the CB to bounce more off the rail. The 4 almost jars out due to his cheat.
It also seems obvious to me he's put a tough of right/inside on the CB, I believe to further get the CB off the rail.
KK9 <-- recalls starting the thread "forcing the CB off the rail, does inside help?" and that the responses were quite varied. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=185201
I concur with KoolKat9Lives
He definitely played to cheat the pocket, but he played in a way of using the slide of the new cloth and balls to his advantage, by playing a force draw shot that would allow the cb to slide out a little from the rail before the draw english grab the cloth and rolled up for shape on the 6.
I have played force draw shots similar to this in the past and when shooting on new cloth, it's much easier to use the slickness of the cloth to your advantage on certain shots like Buste played on the #4.
He definitely played to cheat the pocket, but he played in a way of using the slide of the new cloth and balls to his advantage, by playing a force draw shot that would allow the cb to slide out a little from the rail before the draw english grab the cloth and rolled up for shape on the 6.
I have played force draw shots similar to this in the past and when shooting on new cloth, it's much easier to use the slickness of the cloth to your advantage on certain shots like Buste played on the #4.
well start practice it !!!!
It looks like he just played a rail first force draw shot with a little right hand english to make sure he would get the CB upstairs to the balcony for the 6
With the cloth and balls being new, the force of the speed and the draw would've naturally made the cubeall slide forward a little before the spin grabs the cloth and takes effect, and he basically used this to his advantage on the shot
Do you guys agree?
Willie
Nope, it's a ball first shot, cheating the pocket a little to create slightly more angle, and punching it hard so the cueball pops out off the rail first, and then the draw takes and the cueball moves up table for the 6. Just like Jay said.