Busti explains his overly complicated aiming system.

Bustamante aims by looking at the spot on the object ball and he adjusts according to the English he puts on the cue ball. Glad to hear he isn't the only one who has trouble shooting over balls.

He probably aims the same way most people aim, he just does it better.
 
Why isn't this in the Aiming Conversations forum? :lol:

J/k, really. This belongs in the main forum. :cool:
 
Busty aiming system is no secret...if you want to learn...just grab EKKES's SEE System (very similar: http://infinite-billiards.com/en/SEE.html (well worth the money!!!). He uses the shadow on the cue ball and align to the center of the object ball to create his reference aim line. It's very unique style of play and can help you develop a very fluid stroke. He aim at the left shadow on the cue ball, the warm up strokes help him develop a visual for the reference aim line (shadow to center of object ball) and the final stroke is a parallel aim line that follow this reference line from the center of the cue ball to the object ball. Powerful system of play!!! But it's a very unique style that's not for everyone. Rob Saez system is very similar as well but I think this system of play is very unique and draws its origin from the Filipino players.

My CM360 system is very similar but I use the center of the cue ball to the shadow on the object ball to create a visual reference for my aim line...so you can use your normal stroke to develop your aim line without having to pivot, etc. Just find your line, step into the line, get down and shoot. After going through all the systems that I can find, to play consistently and not miss, really come down to hitting thousand of balls and doing drills. System help cut your learning curve but you still need to put in the hours if you want to get better and play more consistently. I find that system do help you get back into stroke, once your in stroke, your best game will always be from playing instinctively (Feel etc).

Duc.

IT is no secret because there is no secret .
Good Lord.
How many are going to claim Busti aims this or that ?
 
I totally understand. That is basically how I have been playing for 45 years until CJ introduced TOI.

Like Busty & Sigel, I never thought about CB 'squirt'/deflection. If one never thinks about it, then it does not consciously exisit. The mind has made the compensation subconsciously.

Then CJ comes out with TOI & now I am focused & thnking about CB 'squirt'/deflection & have to get the Spin Swerve out of conscious thought & into the subconscious or get it illiminated through the mechanical physics of the shot.

Perhaps that is why many are fearful or have been made fearful by others regarding the use of english. In reality it is rather easy when one simply gets the brain & worry regarding the physical complexity of it out of the picture.

It is simply decide to shoot with a type of english & make the one conscious plan for it & then let the mind subconsciously do the rest. Basically it is called 'FEEL'.

Have you developed a 'feel' for it or are you going to constantly try to analyze it & try to calculate it with your brain or a scientific calculator?

If one leans towards the second option they will not ever shoot well with english. IMHO

I totallly understood Busty & I don't speak Phillipino. I could have heard the question & turned the sound off & understood just from seeing his motions with the stick & where he pointed relative to the two(2) balls.

Anyway it is simple & that is what it should be about. Making the complexity of the game simple.

Is Busty or Sigel the same level player without english? I don't think so.

I also think that anyone that does not employ english is playing at a lower level or 2 or 3 than they are probably capable of playing. Again JMHO.

Regards,

Great analysis. Problem is, you can't market, teach, and make a lot of money on "feel". You have to have a product to sell, which CJ did a great job of putting together. I always felt you learned more by watching and trial and error than necessarily just straight coaching when it came to pull. Don't tell me how to do it. Let me stand behind you and watch how you do it three or four times, then let me go play with it.
 
Hardly any suprise for me. I was told same by one billiards world champ/snooker pro about using english. "Aim thicker for running side and thinner for check side". I asked how much to compensate, answer was - "it is by feel which you will develop after practice".

I put this in practice and now shot with english are second nature to me.

However recently I discovered that some players aim just opposite. I.e. Aim thinner for running side and thicker for check side. In my opinion their stroke is such that it does not generate swerve (when using english)

In short stick to whatever works for you :)
 
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If one never thinks about it, then it does not consciously exist. The mind has made the compensation subconsciously.

Wow... people can think.
Waaaaait a second.... this is a trick isn't it?

Seriously tho, people seem to labor under the delusion that they need to follow steps and have processes where none existed previously. This can be bad... it is important to recognize when systems and methods get in the way of what should be an organic and fluid cognitive state, free of mechanical shenanigans (see what I did there?).

Free... your... mind, Neo.
Be the ball, Noonan.
Get up on the good foot-ah!

Lesh
 
Show me one "B" player that got to be a top pro that got to that level after learning a system. I know one pro that got much worse after learning a system. Every top pro in the world shoots by feel or he/she has no idea how they aim... they just do it. Johnnyt
 
He didn't even understand the deflection question :grin:
" I just look a little ticker ..."

He understood the question. Some people didn't understand the answer. Low outside he aims thicker and English throws the ball.
 
I'm gonna guess..

Show me one "B" player that got to be a top pro that got to that level after learning a system. I know one pro that got much worse after learning a system. Every top pro in the world shoots by feel or he/she has no idea how they aim... they just do it. Johnnyt

Stevie Moore?? 🤔
 
I know a good 5-step ball pocketing "system"! I'll give it to you free of charge! Act now! -

Step 1 - get on a 12 foot Snooker table

Step 2 - hit balls until your fingers bleed

Step 3 - hit a few more balls, then hit a few more

Step 4 - adjust if they don't go in..until they all do go in

Step 5 - get on a pool table and pocket everything from everywhere

Oh I'm sorry, you wanted the lazy way out. You want to just be good without putting in the work. Should go find another "system" then, this one's not for you.
 
I know a good 5-step ball pocketing "system"! I'll give it to you free of charge! Act now! -

Step 1 - get on a 12 foot Snooker table

Step 2 - hit balls until your fingers bleed

Step 3 - hit a few more balls, then hit a few more

Step 4 - adjust if they don't go in..until they all do go in

Step 5 - get on a pool table and pocket everything from everywhere

Oh I'm sorry, you wanted the lazy way out. You want to just be good without putting in the work. Should go find another "system" then, this one's not for you.

Here's a clue for you- before you go knocking something, maybe you should first learn what it is you are even knocking. The only ones that claim systems don't require a lot of work are those against learning things that actually help ones game. Usually the ones that also claim they can't improve because they don't have the natural talent to do so.

Systems are merely a very useful tool to shorten the learning curve. They don't eliminate work at the table, only shorten the time it takes to learn. If you equate a smarter way to learn as being lazy, then you are in for a rough time in life.
 
Show me one "B" player that got to be a top pro that got to that level after learning a system. I know one pro that got much worse after learning a system. Every top pro in the world shoots by feel or he/she has no idea how they aim... they just do it. Johnnyt

Johnny, this has been discussed many times on here. Stevie didn't get worse because of using systems. He got worse from not playing hardly at all anymore. He found more lucrative ways to make money.

As to your "every pro" statement, that also has been proven false on here many times. SVB is a prime example of it.
 
He understood the question. Some people didn't understand the answer. Low outside he aims thicker and English throws the ball.

He didn't .
He aimed fat from the get go . He was aiming to the bottom rail.

The Tagalog word for deflection is LIHIS.
The Tagalog word for hit ( as in two balls colliding is PATAMA ).

Efren and Busti can't fully comprehend English terms.
Efren and Busti were not formally educated in English.
They don't even know what a perfect tense is . They don't even use the words either or neither. They just use too.

Pagulayan is the one to interview in English if you really want to pick his brain among the Pinoy greats.
 
When you have been playing for as long as Busti has, aiming is second nature. I don't think a player at his level would think much about where to aim the ball. It's all automatic to them. He may understand what the people are asking him, but as a seasoned pro that has been a pro for decades upon decades, I think it's tough for him to actually relate to the problem. For him to explain what he sees to someone that has difficulties aiming is similar to the problem of how to explain the colour red to a red/green colourblind person in terms of your experiences :
"Look, right there, that is a red car".
"How can you tell it's red?".
"I don't know, I just see it".
 
Here's a clue for you- before you go knocking something, maybe you should first learn what it is you are even knocking. The only ones that claim systems don't require a lot of work are those against learning things that actually help ones game. Usually the ones that also claim they can't improve because they don't have the natural talent to do so.

Systems are merely a very useful tool to shorten the learning curve. They don't eliminate work at the table, only shorten the time it takes to learn. If you equate a smarter way to learn as being lazy, then you are in for a rough time in life.

Well that's just like....your opinion man. Here's mine -

They don't shorten the learning curve, they screw it up. Where did I say I don't understand aiming systems? I've studied and tried plenty of them and I've come full circle. I very much regret wasting my time on all that. I'm of the very strong opinion that it will make you worse or at least limit your potential. The ONLY sure method to getting better is consistent and purposeful practice. We can argue about it all day, but I'm 100% positive I'm right...for me and my experiences and what I've in seen of other players I know.
 
When you have been playing for as long as Busti has, aiming is second nature. I don't think a player at his level would think much about where to aim the ball. It's all automatic to them. He may understand what the people are asking him, but as a seasoned pro that has been a pro for decades upon decades, I think it's tough for him to actually relate to the problem. For him to explain what he sees to someone that has difficulties aiming is similar to the problem of how to explain the colour red to a red/green colourblind person in terms of your experiences :
"Look, right there, that is a red car".
"How can you tell it's red?".
"I don't know, I just see it".

^^^^^^this
 
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