Butt lift @ Joint

markdrums1

markdrums1

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So i bought this old (early 70's) Adam cue off the bay....for more $$ than i really wanted to spend on an old Adam, but i liked it, anyway....the same day it got delivered i looked it over, boxed it back up and sent it to Scot @ Proficient billiards for a refinish, replace butt cap,re-wrap, clean & re seal, new Aegis ferrules and tips on both shafts, about $325 worth of work,...took it down to local room last night to test hit, Good news, it hits really good, Bad news it's got a decent lift at the joint!....Guy on the bay said everything rolls strait? my fault for not checking roll when i got it, i dont think it affects the play or hit, but i saw it, it's in my head so every time i miss a shot i 'm gonna say... damn you lift at joint!! haha, any opinions?
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If it's minor it will not affect your play.

I had my main shooter years ago that warped about 8 inches from the butt end. I never rolled the cue. It never affected my play until I had it rewraped. When the cuemaker told me it was warped it was forever in my head. I'm sure it never mattered.

With a warp at the base of the forearm your hands are on either side of it. That won't allow the warp to affect tip placement on the cueball.

Just forget about it and enjoy the cue.
 
I guy in the hall I go most had a rather expensive custom cue that had the same issue. He called the maker, sent the cue back & the issue was fixed.

You might want to ask around & see if there is one that can fix it.

Otherwise, determine if the 'arc' is always oriented the same relative to the butt & hold it the same all of the time, arching down or up as you choose.

Good Luck with it,
Rick

PS I saw it on Ebay & almost bid on it.
 
Good advice, my main cue is a dead strait Scruggs sneaky so thats my go to, The Adam is what it is....do wish now i didn't drop so much $$ in it, I've always done well on reselling cues, gonna take a hit if i ever sell that one..
 
Little lift at the joint shouldn't be a big deal. How does it roll with a shaft on it? The way I see it is if you take an assembled cue and roll it on a table just standing over it and don't notice anything then it's going to play just fine. You can get down and try to find little rolls and probably will on a lot of cues, but if it's not obvious when rolled together and just standing over it I can't imagine it ever being an issue in play.
 
When it's rolled together with either shaft, it raises and drops at the joint...not all that much but you can see it,both shafts are strait, I assume if you are looking/aiming down a strait shaft, the lift has no affect on the cue ball? Like i said before... it's in my head that it's there, think that's worse than the actual lift issue...weird...another poster talked about repair? how would they fix a lift? seems pretty major, not gonna do it just curious......
 
sell it. there is no reason to have a cue that you are not confident in.

but see if the roll can be taken out if you want it badly enough.
but the person refinishing a cue should let you know before he starts of any deficiencies so he isnt to blame. if he doesnt he holds some responsibility.
 
So it's the repairman's responsibility???
Ok, sir I see you want a new paint job on your classic 57 Chevy. Before I do this paint job I feel it's my responsibility to point out you need a new clutch, an oil change, new tires, headliner looks rough, etc.
Really? Did you even think about your post before you wrote it?
Why try to place fault on someone who was contracted to do a specific job?
 
Most likely the cue shaft collars and joint need re-facing... That will probably fix your problem... Even if the butt is out a bit a cue can be made to roll straight by corrective facing...
 
he had major work done to the stick. part of which could make a cue roll off. so to protect himself a smart repairman would check for things like that and let the customer know before starting the work. plus while he had the cue stripped he could easily fix it. but not as easily after he finished.

its not like he was just putting a tip on it.

and now it isnt clear if he was the one that made it roll off.

same if painting your classic car example. if the it was rusting out isnt he supposed to check that before he puts on a paint job.
 
Hey hang on folks, I am in no way blaming Proficient Billiards for the issue with this cue, they are the best in the business, they work with what you send them....I should have checked it before i sent it for finish work.
 
I did not see where the OP said anything about the cue maker and goes above and beyond in telling the truth that he did not check it first. I've done the same thing and it's a quick learn. It is to bad that you were not contacted, but, folks who do work on cues, do what's told to them.
I feel for you as it would have been nice to have been able to make a decision at the time it was stripped, but, also appreciate your honesty. If we ever cross paths, I'll do business anytime with you.
Good Luck, will send a PM also.
 
Markdrums1, maha is wrong... They obviously do NOT work on cues. The work done by Scott at Proficient did not create the problem you have....

PM me your # and I'll tell you what to do...

By the way we have something in common...Drums! :cool:
 
skins said:
Most likely the cue shaft collars and joint need re-facing... That will probably fix your problem... Even if the butt is out a bit a cue can be made to roll straight by corrective facing...
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Best advice in this thread. Worst case it will improve things if not completely fix it. This a minor repair and easy to do. I would without question start by having the joint and shafts refaced.
 
markdrums1 said:
So i bought this old (early 70's) Adam cue off the bay....for more $$ than i really wanted to spend on an old Adam, but i liked it, anyway....the same day it got delivered i looked it over, boxed it back up and sent it to Scot @ Proficient billiards for a refinish, replace butt cap,re-wrap, clean & re seal, new Aegis ferrules and tips on both shafts, about $325 worth of work,...took it down to local room last night to test hit, Good news, it hits really good, Bad news it's got a decent lift at the joint!....Guy on the bay said everything rolls strait? my fault for not checking roll when i got it, i dont think it affects the play or hit, but i saw it, it's in my head so every time i miss a shot i 'm gonna say... damn you lift at joint!! haha, any opinions?
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I played with an older Adam cue similar to this one for years, storing it in the trunk of my car in hot Los Angeles, never even knowing the handle was badly warped. I am not sure a warped handle affects play at all. A warped shaft definitely does.

By the way, it's a very nice looking cue. These cues have a hit I love - solid as a rock.
 
Thanks Tate, cue does hit good...Not as strong as my Scruggs sneaky but good, i'm not going to worry too much about the lift...I shoulda kept that Model 3/5 Palmer you helped me I.D, i sold it last year
 
markdrums1 said:
Thanks Tate, cue does hit good...Not as strong as my Scruggs sneaky but good, i'm not going to worry too much about the lift...I shoulda kept that Model 3/5 Palmer you helped me I.D, i sold it last year
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Ok, maybe YOU will ignore my advice and that's your choice, but for anyone else who has a similar problem, a simple facing of the shafts and joint by a qualified maker can perform wonders on cues like OP's....

To the OP, Igoring the problem is a mistake imo...

Chris (Tate), I'm surprised you wouldntvduggestvthe same as I have. Do you not know about what I suggest?
 
skins said:
Ok, maybe YOU will ignore my advice and that's your choice, but for anyone else who has a similar problem, a simple facing of the shafts and joint by a qualified maker can perform wonders on cues like OP's....

To the OP, Igoring the problem is a mistake imo...

Chris (Tate), I'm surprised you wouldntvduggestvthe same as I have. Do you not know about what I suggest?
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Their are a few reasons i'm not that worried about this right now #1 I've already got about twice what this cue is worth in it, ....#2 It plays good like it is....I might look into a reface sometime if that's what it needs? Not ignoring it....i know the issue is there.
 
markdrums1 said:
Their are a few reasons i'm not that worried about this right now #1 I've already got about twice what this cue is worth in it, ....#2 It plays good like it is....I might look into a reface sometime if that's what it needs? Not ignoring it....i know the issue is there.
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If you ever decide to do it call Pete Tascarella.... He knows what he's doing and can make this as good as it can be.. Enjoy the cue!
 
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