butterflys and show cues
- Thread starter cornerstone
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Those Bill (Spider) Webb's cues aren't they?
First cue4 is richards Black Reagle Iccs show winner of the joss west award better picks with detail will be on the site this weekend! then billy webb cues then ginacue show cue the venitianBrooklynJay said:
pharaoh68
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Paul Fanelli has been doing this design for years and, call me crazy but he seems to do it without sacrificing the integrity of his points. They are much wider and taller, and his butterfly work is both excellent and remarkably creative.
See the example below: This cue used to be mine. One of many butterfly designs by Paul.
http://www.cornerstonecustomcues.com/images/cues/other/lrgother/028d.jpg
http://www.cornerstonecustomcues.com/images/cues/other/lrgother/028d4.jpg
See the example below: This cue used to be mine. One of many butterfly designs by Paul.
http://www.cornerstonecustomcues.com/images/cues/other/lrgother/028d.jpg
http://www.cornerstonecustomcues.com/images/cues/other/lrgother/028d4.jpg
To be fair, I've seen similar designs on older cues so I don't think the design is exclusive to Paul Fanelli.
Having said that, I used to own a Fanelli as well and it's a fine cue. I have Bill Webb's butterfly cue also and it's also a fine cue.
P.S. That Gina ... wow ...
Having said that, I used to own a Fanelli as well and it's a fine cue. I have Bill Webb's butterfly cue also and it's also a fine cue.
P.S. That Gina ... wow ...
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pharaoh68 said:
I think that Paul's work is very good, but the way these cues are made is different. The design of the butterfly in between the points for instance are much smaller than on billy Webb's cue's, the size of these butterfly's will affect the length of the points.
I suspect this is a question of different strokes for different folks. Also for your information Paul Fanelli and Billy Webb are Friends and both respect the others work.
So while you appear to not like Bills work that is OK you have right to an opinion, but do not act like it is of a lower quality, it is not, it is however different and that is a good thing because know one likes copies.
Last of all, Bills technique is all his own, he taught himself how to put this together, if you think for a moment that this is not an accomplishment or that Billy is a design thief, contact Andy Gilbert, or Ron Haley and ask them what they think of his ability, I suspect you will be surprised by their answers, and both these gentleman are highly respected cue makers, as I am certain that you well know.
Manwon
pharaoh68
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manwon said:
You are right. The design of the butterfly is going to directly affect the width of the points. And that is precisely my point. If you are going to include points in the design of a cue, one should not sacrifice the integrity of that point and leave a half inch to three-quarter inch gap between said points. Otherwise, what's the point? (no pun intended)
manwon said:
Okay. Did I ever say they were enemies because I certainly don't remember that.
manwon said:
I'm not acting like Bill's work is of a lower quality. I've never played with one of his cues. I've never even held on in my hands. What I am saying is that based on the design element of his cuemaking, there is a certain aspect of it that I personally do not like and that is that his butterflies between the points are too wide and bulky and they tend to swallow up his points!! Plain and simple!
manwon said:
Why the hell would I want to contact Andy Gilbert or Ron Haley? If I were to contact either of them, it would be Ron to order one of his cues. His work is excellent. Beautiful design and craftsmanship. It is of the highest quality. ...But again, why would I call him to ask him if Bill Webb stole someone else's design or if he thinks Bill is a good cuemaker?? I never said he wasn't. I just said that I've seen this design (that so many people 'oooh' and 'aaahh' over several times before, all in Paul's shop.
Truth be told, this design dates back to some of the really old Brunswick cues. BUT, well implementing it to mainstream custom designs, Paul is the first person I have ever seen do it with butterflies between the points, in the butt sleeve, and descending from the joint. If I'm wrong about that, by all means... show me someone else who has been doing this exact design for a longer period of time.
with all due respect to all.and in just a information response! Richard Black has been doing that since the 80s and so has richard helmstetter also thank you and have a blessed day! Billpharaoh68 said:
cornerstone said:
love 4-5 ones u can c the work a whole lot better.and spider web made them right?
pharaoh68
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cornerstone said:
Bill-
I'm not calling you a liar. But could you or someone else so me some evidence of that? I know Richard Black and Ernie Gutierrez and a slew of others have been using butterflies for quite some time, but this specific design (four points, butterflies between the point, and overlapping butterflies descending from the joint), well, I've never seen a Richard Black like that (at least not that I can recall. But I used to be a deadhead back in high school so that could just be the pot talking.
cornerstone said:
I'm sorry but I don't see butterflies spliced below the joint.
The specific design Pharoah and I are talking about consists of 4 points, butterflies between the points, and butterflies spliced below the joint. For many years a cue with that design element can be spotted across the room and marked a Fanelli; apparently not anymore.
-Roger (and no one would confuse that Black for a Fanelli. We're not talking about butterflies, we're talking about how Paul incorporated them into a specific design that was all his own)
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