"C" Player uses "Feel" to beat the ghost 9-1

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legit said:
I doubt you reported me but that doesn't change the fact that your douche bag and you wear a badge proudly...

I seen you in here just after I posted this too! go get your pad and paper and write out a response! when its all said and done I will be banned but you will still be playing the 4 ball ghost for the next 20 years and be a douche bag ...
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Just condensed "Legit's" response a bit to make a point.

The D-bag club does not actively recruit, but then neither does the Lock Society to my knowledge. That being said, "Iusedtoberich" please feel free to contact myself, Banks or Blue Hog Rider regarding membership. As treasurer I can assure you that dues are very reasonable (I accept cash). I am very sad to admit though that we don't have badges presently. :o I hope this won't be a problem for you.

Sorry "Legit" you are currently not eligible for membership due to our "No call out clause" and because we would rather not see new members getting banned right away. :frown:

Sorry for the overt P.S.A. and by all means continue with the thread.
 
As I get down on the shot there is a modality shifting process that lowers the visual

Neil said:
And yet, you are on record as saying that you have to "feel" the shot, that "feel" is the only right way to play, that visuals and all that other stuff are nonsense. hmmmm......
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My aiming system is the 'Ultimate Pool Secrets' is visual and most of the experience ABOVE the shot is visual.

As I get down on the shot there is a modality shifting process that lowers the visual sense, thus raising the kinesthetic sense. The goal when down on the shot is to feel the shot, the pocket, the cue ball, the tip, however, this is all made possible by the visual connection made by the........that's right, the eyes.

'The Game is the Teacher'
 
Banks said:
I wonder if art forums have the same problem. "How can you paint a giraffe without a system?"

The thing that matters is consistency, however you get there is your own choice.

As for what I'm willing to back it up with..

I'll gamble with anybody that's worse than I am. :p

And I know this much.. I don't think I'd want to gamble with either of you. :D
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I was thinking something along the same lines. Did Gene Kelly use a system in his dance routines or Fred Astaire and Ginger Rodgers use a system in theirs?

A little movie trivia..... In the move Singing in the Rain, Debbie Reynolds had never danced a day in her life and in the movie it doesn't appear that way. How could this be and how did the other two examples dance so well.....practice. Long Hard Practice. REPETITION of the same dance step until it was second nature.

Does a singer use feel or a system to sing?

How bout a concert pianist, you think just a system works for them, or do they play by feel?

Feel comes from long hard practice, from just doing over and over again the same thing. If you have a shot you never seen before, it is because you don't play enough and just do the same ole practice drills.

BTW, I learn to play using feel, how, because when I learn there was no systems like now. It is all trail and error. Experimentation on how to hit the CB to make it go where I wanted.

Its is not that hard to learn that there is one spot on the table to make the OB go where you want, it ain't rocket science. It is not hard to observe that hitting on either side of that spot, makes the OB go else where. It is not that hard to understand how spin affects the OB and CB.

You do not need any system to understand these things. Just do and observe. Systems are for those that can't think, can't observe and understand whats going on.

Systems are a crutch that lesser players use in a attempt to play good pool and often blame the system for their failures and not their lack of quality practice.

If systems were so great, were they the way to achieve top level play, then there would be alot more top level players and maybe not so many handicap tourney because everyone is a top level player from using systems.

Nope, systems are bunk, they do more harm long term to a player than good. Why, because they do no include the CB path after hitting the OB. Systems only concern themselves with getting the CB to the OB and do nothing for after the CB hitting the OB and that is where the game is won.

It takes feel to know how much stroke to put on a CB based on the angle of the hit, the type of spin you are using, the speed of the cloth and where you want to the CB to stop. Ain't a system around that takes this into account.

The only way to this kinda of feel is from Long Hard Practice, REPETITION. To make ball running look easy just like Gene Kelly made dancing look easy.

And if you don't see the connection , you must be a system user.
 
duckie said:
I was thinking something along the same lines. Did Gene Kelly use a system in his dance routines or Fred Astaire and Ginger Rodgers use a system in theirs?

A little movie trivia..... In the move Singing in the Rain, Debbie Reynolds had never danced a day in her life and in the movie it doesn't appear that way. How could this be and how did the other two examples dance so well.....practice. Long Hard Practice. REPETITION of the same dance step until it was second nature.

Does a singer use feel or a system to sing?

How bout a concert pianist, you think just a system works for them, or do they play by feel?

Feel comes from long hard practice, from just doing over and over again the same thing. If you have a shot you never seen before, it is because you don't play enough and just do the same ole practice drills.

BTW, I learn to play using feel, how, because when I learn there was no systems like now. It is all trail and error. Experimentation on how to hit the CB to make it go where I wanted.

Its is not that hard to learn that there is one spot on the table to make the OB go where you want, it ain't rocket science. It is not hard to observe that hitting on either side of that spot, makes the OB go else where. It is not that hard to understand how spin affects the OB and CB.

You do not need any system to understand these things. Just do and observe. Systems are for those that can't think, can't observe and understand whats going on.

Systems are a crutch that lesser players use in a attempt to play good pool and often blame the system for their failures and not their lack of quality practice.

If systems were so great, were they the way to achieve top level play, then there would be alot more top level players and maybe not so many handicap tourney because everyone is a top level player from using systems.

Nope, systems are bunk, they do more harm long term to a player than good. Why, because they do no include the CB path after hitting the OB. Systems only concern themselves with getting the CB to the OB and do nothing for after the CB hitting the OB and that is where the game is won.

It takes feel to know how much stroke to put on a CB based on the angle of the hit, the type of spin you are using, the speed of the cloth and where you want to the CB to stop. Ain't a system around that takes this into account.

The only way to this kinda of feel is from Long Hard Practice, REPETITION. To make ball running look easy just like Gene Kelly made dancing look easy.

And if you don't see the connection , you must be a system user.
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Do you know anything about dancers? Do you know anything about Gene Kelley? Or singers and how they practice? Or musicians, divers, runners, or anything?

I do. In diving and gymnastics we use many techniques to achieve the same goal. Some methods work great for one person and lousy for another.

Your attitude is what's bunk.

Even after all this time on the forum you can't even put up your own video running four balls ten times consecutively. At least iusedtoberich has the stones to put himself out there for criticism rather than just to snipe as you do.

Even though system users have testified and SHOWN their improvement you persist in calling them liars.

Why don't you show us your prowess? Show us videos of you running racks, doing drills, or shotmaking tests. The system users on here have done all that and more and you have shown NOTHING.

Show us a video of you doing a drill or playing the ghost. Show us what you can do and then in a month you should be better according to your claims of how much and how diligently you practice. Show us a video of you doing anything that resembles good play. Bank ten balls like Stan, bank four cross corner diagonally like Mohrt, beat the 9 ball ghost like Gerry, run a 100 balls like Duke.

If you don't then we can only conclude that you are most likely just a typist and nothing more. And your attitude is horrible, truly horrible.
 
duckie said:
I was thinking something along the same lines. Did Gene Kelly use a system in his dance routines or Fred Astaire and Ginger Rodgers use a system in theirs?

No, but rocket scientist used one to get to the moon and back. Makes about as much sense to pool as dancers do.
A little movie trivia..... In the move Singing in the Rain, Debbie Reynolds had never danced a day in her life and in the movie it doesn't appear that way. How could this be and how did the other two examples dance so well.....practice. Long Hard Practice. REPETITION of the same dance step until it was second nature.

Yeah, so??? Systems in pool require a lot of repitition too.
Does a singer use feel or a system to sing?

How bout a concert pianist, you think just a system works for them, or do they play by feel?

Feel comes from long hard practice, from just doing over and over again the same thing. If you have a shot you never seen before, it is because you don't play enough and just do the same ole practice drills.

So, you can make any shot presented to you?
BTW, I learn to play using feel, how, because when I learn there was no systems like now. It is all trail and error. Experimentation on how to hit the CB to make it go where I wanted.
Gee, thought you learned with your arrow?
Its is not that hard to learn that there is one spot on the table to make the OB go where you want, it ain't rocket science. It is not hard to observe that hitting on either side of that spot, makes the OB go else where. It is not that hard to understand how spin affects the OB and CB.

Guess that all depends on what make percentage you are willing to settle for.
You do not need any system to understand these things. Just do and observe. Systems are for those that can't think, can't observe and understand whats going on.

Hmmm...I played at a very decent level for years without systems. Now that I use them, I play a lot more consistent and better.

Systems are a crutch that lesser players use in a attempt to play good pool and often blame the system for their failures and not their lack of quality practice.


So, you using ghost ball is nothing more than a crutch because you are a weak player? Are you really that naive that you actually think system users don't practice? Are you ready to take on Jimmy Reid yet? Bet he still beats you despite his health issues.

If systems were so great, were they the way to achieve top level play, then there would be alot more top level players and maybe not so many handicap tourney because everyone is a top level player from using systems.

You didn't just go there, did you? Really?? Most don't use systems, most are not top players, most are handicapped. Care to re-think that statement a little??

Nope, systems are bunk, they do more harm long term to a player than good. Why, because they do no include the CB path after hitting the OB. Systems only concern themselves with getting the CB to the OB and do nothing for after the CB hitting the OB and that is where the game is won.

I get it now, you made a bet with someone on how many dumb things you could say in one post, right? Care to explain how your ghost ball and arrow tell you where the cb is going after the hit? Strange how I play better now than I ever have because of systems. hmm....
It takes feel to know how much stroke to put on a CB based on the angle of the hit, the type of spin you are using, the speed of the cloth and where you want to the CB to stop. Ain't a system around that takes this into account.

I assume you won that bet I mentioned...guess you just don't know what you don't know.

The only way to this kinda of feel is from Long Hard Practice, REPETITION. To make ball running look easy just like Gene Kelly made dancing look easy.

Who ever said systems don't take practice? You really think they are some kind of magic pill??

And if you don't see the connection , you must be a system user.
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WOW, ignorance at it's best....
 
JB Cases said:
....Even after all this time on the forum you can't even put up your own video running four balls ten times consecutively. .....
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I think you guys are not giving enough credit to running 4 balls. Yes, I know its nowhere near the 9 ball ghost, and I know that guys like Gerry and Stan might never miss a 4 ball out. But its the foundation of being able to play.

I said before there is no point in comparing player to player, there is alwyas someone better. That said:

I will call you out JB, since you said running 4 balls is nothing. I don't think you can run 10 consecutive 4 ball racks breaking like I did in my video. (throw 6 balls on the table colliding in center, 3 balls in each hand, remove clusters first, then remove remaining balls until 4 remain, starting wiht lowest numbered ball, so there is no strategy involved in their removal). You have to run 10 consecutive racks this way. I'll bet you 100 you can't do it and produce a video within 3 days. Loser donates the 100 to streamer of winner's choice. I know you have a table and camera, so you have access to do this. Time is now about 1:00 am US EST, Friday May 3. If you accept, you have 72 hours from this time. I'll look for your answer yes or no in the morning if you accept.

No, I'm not offering this to anyone else. John has said to me that running 4 balls is nothing, and I disagree.

Edit to add there is no "money" ball. You have to clear the whole table, the rack is not won if you combo in the highest ball. 10 racks, 4 balls pocketed per rack, 40 balls pocketed total, consecutively. That is the way I play it and what I was going for (but pocketed 39 of 40).
 
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iusedtoberich said:
I think you guys are not giving enough credit to running 4 balls. Yes, I know its nowhere near the 9 ball ghost, and I know that guys like Gerry and Stan might never miss a 4 ball out. But its the foundation of being able to play.

I said before there is no point in comparing player to player, there is alwyas someone better. That said:

I will call you out JB, since you said running 4 balls is nothing. I don't think you can run 10 consecutive 4 ball racks breaking like I did in my video. (throw 6 balls on the table colliding in center, 3 balls in each hand, remove clusters first, then remove remaining balls until 4 remain, starting wiht lowest numbered ball, so there is no strategy involved in their removal). You have to run 10 consecutive racks this way. I'll bet you 100 you can't do it and produce a video within 3 days. Loser donates the 100 to streamer of winner's choice. I know you have a table and camera, so you have access to do this. Time is now about 1:00 am US EST, Friday May 3. If you accept, you have 72 hours from this time. I'll look for your answer yes or no in the morning if you accept.

No, I'm not offering this to anyone else. John has said to me that running 4 balls is nothing, and I disagree.
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Bet.

You can ship the $100 to Big Truck.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Confirmed. Thanks for the action. (you saw the part I added at the end that that an early combo doen't end the rack, right). That wasn't a move, thats the way I play it.
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I got it don't sweat it I will play it the way you did. Would you care to bet another $500 on the side between us?
 
This just got interesting.

Can't wait to see JB's video.

Doing anything 10 times in a row is probably harder than I think....
 
JB Cases said:
I got it don't sweat it I will play it the way you did. Would you care to bet another $500 on the side between us?
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No, the 100 to the streamer is adequate. I don't think you can do it, but then again, I'm not going to go off either with a very high amount of money if I'm wrong. I've been wrong before:D

I just woke up, how many have you gotten consecutively thus far on your side of the world?
 
iusedtoberich said:
No, the 100 to the streamer is adequate. I don't think you can do it, but then again, I'm not going to go off either with a very high amount of money if I'm wrong. I've been wrong before:D

I just woke up, how many have you gotten consecutively thus far on your side of the world?
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You can pay off later when the video uploads. I did 11 in 13 minutes.
 
It was easier to run these balls than to convert and upload this video. It's uploaded and should be 15 min but it keeps stopping at 13:24 frozen on the last 9 ball. Trying again.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I'll keep my eye out for it;)
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Here it is. The video info says 15:02 but when played it shortens to 13:24 It literally freezes on the last ball of the tenth rack for no apparent reason than just to piss me off. :-)

I want to annotate it with the rack count and suppress the ambient noise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcoYn-q9LC4&feature=youtu.be

trying to convert now with a longer clip and see if that works. I guess I have two more days to figure out the video part now that the shooting is done.
 
That was fun watching you shoot JB....good job. You did have to pocket a handful of semi difficult shots.

A couple things I noticed:

You broke the balls well. Not a single dry break. :wink:

I just knew that cue stick was going to hit the floor before it was over. Although I'm not sure how it managed to plug up the ball return when it did. I'll have to figure that out later.

Nice shooting. I think these sorts of challenges are needed more often around here. As long as it's not me losing money that is.
 
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