Calling Dr. Dave! SVB "Foul" @ UK Open

jay helfert

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Okay but don't use Tabb's method. Did you notice Filler jumped up on the shot when Tabb squeezed in behind him? I think Tabb likes young Mr Filler.
I never did. I learned long ago that it's much better to see the cue ball coming toward you than away from you. As for Filler, he has a beautiful young wife (Pia), who is also a talented pool player. He's taken! :)
 

freds

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There's a very similar shot here, but it's not really close at all. No ref, and they called it wrong. It's obviously a good hit, but that old guy didn't want to bother arguing. The commentators are confused (and hard to fade.)

(21:07)

PS I then skipped to the end, a few nice shots here:
(1:20:22)
 

Bob Jewett

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There's a very similar shot here, but it's not really close at all. No ref, and they called it wrong. It's obviously a good hit, but that old guy didn't want to bother arguing. ...
I put a mark next to the young guy's name. I suppose it's possible he doesn't actually understand safety rules.
 

straightline

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Well after seeing this a million times, it's a good hit. If you put your pointer at 19seconds and let the shot play out then hit 19seconds again and let shot play out. You'll see the cueball slightly grazes the 3 ball before hitting the rail.

Took me quite a few times replaying it back to find a good spot to keep your eyes at in order to see the 3 move before cueball hits rail.
I still see video artifacts and not ball movement. Watching the cue ball dots, you can see the expected rolling as the last dot rolls out of view at the top of ball. Coincident to this, a lone dot appears just above the cushion in what appears to be motion consistent with a rolling ball. There is a jump in focus at this stage that might be construed as ball motion but the 6 ball at the top enlarges in concert; therefore still no contact.

In the very next frame, the rising dot is clearly moving vertically - consistent with rail induced spin and it is only in this frame that that actual movement by the three ball is captured. Split at best, and un-callable by eye on the fly.

Nitpicking this because it's not just video that can synthesize ball motion. In practicing feathering, I have on many occasions detected movement when no contact had occurred. Shadows, reflections, IDK for sure but it happens.
 

dr_dave

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I still see video artifacts and not ball movement. Watching the cue ball dots, you can see the expected rolling as the last dot rolls out of view at the top of ball. Coincident to this, a lone dot appears just above the cushion in what appears to be motion consistent with a rolling ball. There is a jump in focus at this stage that might be construed as ball motion but the 6 ball at the top enlarges in concert; therefore still no contact.

In the very next frame, the rising dot is clearly moving vertically - consistent with rail induced spin and it is only in this frame that that actual movement by the three ball is captured. Split at best, and un-callable by eye on the fly.

Nitpicking this because it's not just video that can synthesize ball motion. In practicing feathering, I have on many occasions detected movement when no contact had occurred. Shadows, reflections, IDK for sure but it happens.

There definitely is some camera motion making it difficult to see what is actually moving, but I think it is clear that the 3 is moving relative to the rail and other balls.
 

straightline

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There definitely is some camera motion making it difficult to see what is actually moving, but I think it is clear that the 3 is moving relative to the rail and other balls.

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This is the point where the three starts moving. The dot on the cue ball rises vertically indicating movement away from the cushion. The three continues to move away from the collision and contact is not in question. The quality of hit however, can only be pegged at 'split'. Gatz's contention that the cue ball hits the 3 and then the cushion can't be confirmed.
 
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