Calling the 10 ball is crazy.
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I prefer games where you have to call every ball and every pocket..
Thank You ....
As a kid in the 40's-50's we called every ball, every pocket. NO f'n Slop Shots, Baby.
That would be "too slow" for today's players BUT times change and we adapt.
As a kid in the 40's-50's we called every ball, every pocket. NO f'n Slop Shots, Baby.
That would be "too slow" for today's players BUT times change and we adapt.
In the 60's we played "try to make a ball" and that worked pretty good for the best player!
Roll Out pool was also popular back then, where you could push out on any shot. More advantage to the best player! All balls spotted too! How about them apples!
fast is key nowadays for better or worse
two main factors imo , the high cost of broadcasting in any format as well as ten zillion entertainment options where people can spend their money
I'd rather longer slop pool matches than shorter call shot matches
and as mentioned previously (I think by Jay), skill typically outruns slop despite a belief by many to the contrary which is the reason why money players will always welcome slop games against weaker players
two main factors imo , the high cost of broadcasting in any format as well as ten zillion entertainment options where people can spend their money
I'd rather longer slop pool matches than shorter call shot matches
and as mentioned previously (I think by Jay), skill typically outruns slop despite a belief by many to the contrary which is the reason why money players will always welcome slop games against weaker players
In reality once you graduate from being a banger into a formidable player how often is slop ever really a factor? I can't remember the last time someone slopped a ball in a match I've played in, it just doesn't happen very often at all so I feel like this is all much ado about nothing.
takeitdown
Banned
Slopping in a ball is one thing, but when opponents miss lucky and nut safe you its infuriating. It's so unfair. Trying to convert people to called shot called safe seems like a waste of breath. Tough betting high in amateur play and suffering the rollls.
takeitdown
Banned
Pros win championships on slop. Usually slop safes. I think letting the incoming player have the option to shoot is the best. Especially when betting anything over a couple hundred. I don't mind losing. Getting hijacked is another story.
I am of the mind that having to call balls is an advantage for the weaker player. The two way shot is a highly skilled part of the game and happens far more often than a slopped ball. Take away many of the two way shots and a lot is taken from the better player. There are also other factors that make calling balls advantage weaker player. (I am not going to bother explaining.) There are often unintended consequences when you try to fix something. Calling balls removes a lot of fun, imagination, and skill from our short games.
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For many years I was really against any non-call ball and pocket rules format, but I think I'm changing my mind. I think it's still good for 14.1 because that's traditional and the way the rules have been forever. I think you should not have to call balls in rotation games for the same reason. I think there is something to the excitement that is added to the game from the two-way shots (both types) and for money balls counting on the break. I believe the best players will win anyway as long as the race is long enough. As was stated above at higher levels slopping in balls isn't really an issue anyway. The only real issue is getting accidentally hooked, and the only way to fix that is call-shot call-safe and I think that is really too much of a radical departure from the rules that will never gain widespread acceptance. I like the way the 10 ball challenge on the 10 footers at Derby is run.
Old Nine Baller
Banned
Back in the mid to late 70's when 10 ball was played in the rooms I was in, it was played by the same exact rules as 9 ball. "Any-Two fouls was BIH, everything spotted up on a foul and there was no calling the 10 ball. Back then the only reason 10 ball was played was to negate the break of a 9 ball player with a great break. I never saw much point in playing it as I could barely run 9 balls back then and I certainly didn't have a great break.
ONB
ONB
Well I guess that's one way of looking at it. When I was coming up I was taught that when playing a shot to shoot where if you miss it's a miss on the "on the pro side" which meant you didn't leave a shot. I consider those kinds of rolls part of the game as they even out on both sides. I was referring to slopping in balls, once you reach a certain level it just rarely happens so its a moot point to me.
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I agree, once you hit a decent level of play you rarely slop a ball in. You don't get many people thinking I'm just going to hit this square in the face and hope for the best. Balls very rarely rattle and make their way to another pocket. I see more slopped balls in snooker than I do in pool. The cut of the pockets and curve of the rails mean some balls rattle and roll into the opposite pocket, especially on say a black ball into the corner.
I prefer not having to call pockets, unless you are going for a shot which is out of the norm - banks, kicks, jumps and caroms. You should assume if I'm not shooting any of these shots I'm going for the ball, and pocket I'm lined up towards. Simple.
Safety slop, although annoying is part of the game. You can't punish someone for taking a pot on, missing and getting position on what would have been the next ball, but hooking you on the ball they missed. Just learn how to kick better.
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Bang on, especially with regards to seeing more flukes in snooker. I've never seen slop as an issue in pool. If you're both decent to good players then it's so infrequent as to not make a difference, and the rolls will even out over time anyway. And if you're in a game with a bad player who flukes a win on you, then congratulations, you've managed to match up with someone you should beat (and needs luck to win), have fun with it.
No sport I know of takes so much effort to ban luck from its games. When people act as though flukes/slop stop the general public from taking pool seriously it always makes me smile.