Can A Revo Do This?

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Forgive me if this has been discussed in other threads but I am curious about it and it could be something that may increase the appeal for Revo and similarly made equipment.

Can a Revo withstand big temperature swings that could allow it to stay in a car without concern for damage?

aLSO, IS IT JUST THE SHAFTS THAT ARE carbon fiber or can a butt end be purchased as well that could also be kept as a complete cue in a car?

I would love to always have a cue avail in the car without the worry for damage. I did hit with a buddy's Revo a while back when they first came out and thought it performed really well.

best,
brian kc
 
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Kickin' Chicken said:
Forgive me if this has been addressed in other threads but I am curious about it and it could be something that may increase the appeal for Revo and similarly made equipment.

Can a Revo withstand big temperature swings that could allow it to stay in a car without concern for damage?

aLSO, IS IT JUST THE SHAFTS THAT ARE carbon fiber or can a butt end be purchased as well that could also be kept as a complete cue in a car?

I would love to always have a cue avail in the car without the worry for damage. I did hit with a buddy's Revo a while back when they first came out and thought it performed really well.

best,
brian kc
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Leaving it in your car would have zero effect on shaft but maybe not the tip. I've left golf clubs in the trunk in both Texas and Vegas with no ill effects. CF is VERY stout stuff.
 
Because of he type of carbon fiber. A little bit here and there would not be bad. Constant changes in Temperature could make it brittle and possible break if done often and in extreme swings in temp. Like my car will get down to 30's at night and about 100 inside the car during this time of year. Extreme swings will break it down eventually.
 
Kickin' Chicken said:
Forgive me if this has been discussed in other threads but I am curious about it and it could be something that may increase the appeal for Revo and similarly made equipment.

Can a Revo withstand big temperature swings that could allow it to stay in a car without concern for damage?

aLSO, IS IT JUST THE SHAFTS THAT ARE carbon fiber or can a butt end be purchased as well that could also be kept as a complete cue in a car?

I would love to always have a cue avail in the car without the worry for damage. I did hit with a buddy's Revo a while back when they first came out and thought it performed really well.

best,
brian kc
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you are looking for a BeCue
 
Coop1701 said:
Because of he type of carbon fiber. A little bit here and there would not be bad. Constant changes in Temperature could make it brittle and possible break if done often and in extreme swings in temp. Like my car will get down to 30's at night and about 100 inside the car during this time of year. Extreme swings will break it down eventually.
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Do you have any idea how hot cf has to get to break-down? It would have to get in the neighborhood of 350-500deg. to break down. That's "oven-on-high" kinda hot. You're NEVER going to see those temp. swings in a car's interior/trunk. A buddy that lives in Vegas had a driver head come loose when the epoxy holding it on softened after about 10hrs. in his trunk. Shaft itself was completely undamaged. As far as the Revo goes i'd be far more concerned about tip-end parts coming loose or the threaded joint insert. These are glued/epoxied in place and could possibly loosen. The main tube won't be an issue.
 
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Coop1701 said:
Because of he type of carbon fiber. A little bit here and there would not be bad. Constant changes in Temperature could make it brittle and possible break if done often and in extreme swings in temp. Like my car will get down to 30's at night and about 100 inside the car during this time of year. Extreme swings will break it down eventually.
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Where do you get your information from?
 
I wonder what the "ferrule" on the Revo is actually made out of, I mean I know it's ferrule-less, but there is some sort of inverted ferrule/pad which has to be attached some sort of way? I'd be more worried about the shaft/ferrule connection than actually damaging the carbon fiber (which I doubt will ever happen with temperature). I've had fishing rods in my car in all kinds of weather and haven't noticed any deterioration to speak of.
 
Coop1701 said:
Extreme swings will break it down eventually.
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Yes but...swings... sudden changes from hot to extreme cold or cold to hot could shock it. But gradual change should be alright.


I'm just assuming consent "0" or 100plus is not good for anything unless it's designed for those temps.
 
Been in and out of the golf arena for quite a few years. Have built clubs and have been in contact with shaft designers and builders. The technology is the same. The Revo is a filament-wound tube using carbon-fiber tow. Instead of making cf cloth and laying it on the mandrel they wind the tow(basically cf thread) at differing angles(designers use the term bias) to get the bending profile they want. The beauty of cf is that depending on the modulus(stiffness) of the fibers and the way its wound/lay'd on the mandrel you can literally make ANY stiffness of shaft you want. Just look at golf shafts. Current cf shafts are available anywhere from buggy-whip soft for slower swings to tree-trunk stiff for bombers like Dustin Johnson. Nothing stopping cue designers from going the same route.
 
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Straightpool_99 said:
I wonder what the "ferrule" on the Revo is actually made out of, I mean I know it's ferrule-less, but there is some sort of inverted ferrule/pad which has to be attached some sort of way? I'd be more worried about the shaft/ferrule connection than actually damaging the carbon fiber (which I doubt will ever happen with temperature). I've had fishing rods in my car in all kinds of weather and haven't noticed any deterioration to speak of.
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Yep, i agree. Not going to damage the main tube unless you get stupid with it. The parts that are bonded to it, tip and joint end stuff, could possibly be an issue. I've heard that changing a tip on one is sorta dicey. Not sure if that's actually so.
 
garczar said:
Been in and out of the golf arena for quite a few years. Have built clubs and have been in contact with shaft designers and builders. The technology is the same. The Revo is a filament-wound tube using carbon-fiber tow. Instead of making cf cloth and laying it on the mandrel they wind the tow(basically cf thread) at differing angles(designers use the term bias) to get the bending profile they want. The beauty of cf is that depending on the modulus(stiffness) of the fibers and the way its wound/lay'd on the mandrel you can literally make ANY stiffness of shaft you want. Just look at golf shafts. Current cf shafts are available anywhere from buggy-whip soft for slower swings to tree-trunk stiff for bombers like Dustin Johnson. Nothing stopping cue designers from going the same route.
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That is interesting. It would be fun to test a CF shaft that isn't quite as stiff, to see if it could alleviate the "deadness" that I think the Revo has.
 
Cocoa said:
Where do you get your information from?
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From going to school to be a chemical engineer.., and working in a carbon plant. :)

PS. Tennis rackets were made from graphite and Carbon Fiber for years. They do break down. You won't see the micro fractures that develop. But it will come to let when playing with them.
 
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Straightpool_99 said:
That is interesting. It would be fun to test a CF shaft that isn't quite as stiff, to see if it could alleviate the "deadness" that I think the Revo has.
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Just guessing here but Predator probably tried different versions til they got one that was playable(and sellable) for the majority of users. I imagine when 3c guys have one built it will be even stiffer. Maybe a softer 1p version would be cool to try.
 
Coop1701 said:
From going to school to be a chemical engineer.., and working in a carbon plant. :)

PS. Tennis rackets were made from graphite and Carbon Fiber for years. They do break down. You won't see the micro fractures that develop. But it will come to let when playing with them.
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The big problem with the earlier gen's of both golf shafts and rackets was the use of lower modulus cf and way too much epoxy. The epoxy usually broke down way before the cf did. Current stuff uses fibers of such high mod. that the amount of epoxy used is far less. What i find really cool today is OOA(out of autoclave manufacturing) that doesn't require an autoclave for certain parts depending on their intended use.
 
garczar said:
Just guessing here but Predator probably tried different versions til they got one that was playable(and sellable) for the majority of users. I imagine when 3c guys have one built it will be even stiffer. Maybe a softer 1p version would be cool to try.
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Predator had a version of a carbon fiber shaft in 1998 that was included in the "Jacksonville Experiment" tests. (Or at least I'm pretty sure it was CF -- it was the right color.) It was really bad for spinning the ball in that test. There may have been a problem with that generation of Iron Willie that contributed to the poor performance (too tight a grip).
 
garczar said:
The big problem with the earlier gen's of both golf shafts and rackets was the use of lower modulus cf and way too much epoxy. The epoxy usually broke down way before the cf did. Current stuff uses fibers of such high mod. that the amount of epoxy used is far less. What i find really cool today is OOA(out of autoclave manufacturing) that doesn't require an autoclave for certain parts depending on their intended use.
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I was a big fan of what Dunlop did. Their injection process was far superior than than anyone else. It helped find certain ways to layer the fibers to effect durability and stiffness. I just bought a Revo. I'm not huge fan of how predator presented and marketed the cue and the technology. But they did really good with it. Gotta give them props on play ability.
 
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