Can Pro players get jobs and still compete?

With regular jobs, I think many pros would still be able to 'compete' at a near world-class level, but they would have a very tough time winning anything, especially on the international stage.

Well in my country we don't have any Pro players for multiple reasons. Or at least none I can think of...

But the former Europe Nr.1 Dimitri Jungo can still perform at a very high level and is often Top finisher on EuroTour. He has a stable Job and a Family with 2 Kids.
So the answer should be YES!
 
But you guys make really cool cheese and chocolate so you're forgiven.

And every house hold is armed. Word on the street is that you guys are also good shooters. And great Yodelers too.

I think the Swiss are pretty cool.

And of course, our Beloved Heidi came from Switzerland.

These guys are cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZL1aGxZjP4


OK, how yodeling was invented.


There was a traveling pot and pan salesman who traveled thru the Swiss Alps. One night he came upon a small farm house and was welcomed in for the night.

Well, to make a long story short, he ended up with the farmers daughter that night.

The next day when the farmer found out, he chased the salesman down and yelled at him across the mountain top.

"You bugger, you slept with my daughter".

The traveling salesman replied.

"Youroldladytoooo".

And that is how yodeling in the Alps was invented. true Story.
 
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wow

Reality is demeaning.

Pool players have it easy compared to others: pool players work hard, compete in a tournament and win money if their score is better than their opponent's score. Easy.

How about writers? Begin your writing journey in junior high school. Later, lock yourself in a room for years writing the great American novel. Then you can't even get a publisher to read it. No one will even give you an chance. If it were only as easy as paying a $500 entry fee! (BTW, if you are a writer you must write every day...at least 5-6 hours...otherwise your skills will deteriorate)

Musicians? Hundreds of thousands of super-talented musicians (as good, if not better, than any you've heard) who couldn't pay a cable TV bill much less the rent. Yet they continue to practice 4-6 hours every day. But Lady Lucky didn't shine on them like it did for other less talented musicians. Like pool players, they hit the road for months at a time, playing in dive bars where the owner reneges on paying them...and they come home with less money than they started with.

Is the life of a professional pool player easy? No, but it's a lot easier than it is for lots of other folks who pursue a dream.

Great post!

You see this in any "right tailed industry" - industries where a very small minority obtain a disproportionate share of the benefits (sports and entertainment industries come to mind). Unfortunately, Pool's tail is much shorter.
 
pool players will be struggling like all past artistic disciples of art/music

Which players have decent sponsorship? How much do these sponsors pay?

Shane makes a little more than $500 a month I hear, but it would be much more if the events were televised.

Earl Strickland was making over 200k a year back in the mid 90s.....that's quite a difference, and that's because there's millions of people that watch pool on ESPN...and only hundreds otherwise.....sponsors pay for numbers of impressions and pool doesn't offer many fans these days. TV is the only thing that will change this scenario.

In the mean time pool players will be struggling like all past artistic disciples (musicians, artists, spiritual leaders, writers, actors, etc).

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Yes, twas a good post Doorman.

Anyone heard the term, Starving Artists?

Writers, painters, musicians. They all seem to make a go of it while pursuing their dream. Wonder how they have been doing it for decades and more.

If anyone of them would have made a windfall score of thousands, I bet they would have invested that back into their dream, not into a night of fun at the Craps Table.

Yes?

Ya beat me to Starving Artist thing CJ. The only difference between artists CJ is like I mentioned. The artists that I mentioned continue to live a hard life while investing in themselves with what ever money they can scrape up. All the while waiting for their break in life.

Pro Players have had their big breaks in life many times and blew it on their own accord. Did they invest in their future? Nope.

Most lived for the Now. Me. Me. Me. Did they not blow a couple of TV deals because they thought that they were worth more than, well, they were worth, and the sponsors walked.

I see where you're coming from CJ, but don't try and put the blame on anyone, fans, us, anyone but where the blame should lie.
 
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Well in my country we don't have any Pro players for multiple reasons. Or at least none I can think of...

But the former Europe Nr.1 Dimitri Jungo can still perform at a very high level and is often Top finisher on EuroTour. He has a stable Job and a Family with 2 Kids.
So the answer should be YES!

YAY! we have SWITZERLAND in-the-house? vielen danke @ Grindlewald!

Terry - thanks for posting what i intended to. (i just woke up.) two things:

1) again - HOW OLD ARE THEY? cause my house is almost PAID FOR. i had enough cash to invest in my own business. i adjust & live within my means. this is not rocket-science (no pun intended)

2) Buddy Hall fundraiser - i bid $100 on Jay's signed program. NOT, to raise $$$$ for Buddy! but i did want it for my son's bday present, as history. i strongly objected to contributing to Buddy - ask Big Truck. and fortunately, i was outbid & was able to get same on my own.

3) contributing - and while we sat @ front row & i got autographs, i returned the favors. i gave JA $100. i gave Michaela $100. i dropped $300 on players' drinks @ Beatles (and we only had 3 drinks).

grow up. own it.

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I'm not blaming anyone, and judging is beyond my "pay scale".

Yes, twas a good post Doorman.

Anyone heard the term, Starving Artists?

Writers, painters, musicians. They all seem to make a go of it while pursuing their dream. Wonder how they have been doing it for decades and more.

If anyone of them would have made a windfall score of thousands, I bet they would have invested that back into their dream, not into a night of fun at the Craps Table.

Yes?

Ya beat me to Starving Artist thing CJ. The only difference between artists CJ is like I mentioned. The artists that I mentioned continue to live a hard life while investing in themselves with what ever money they can scrape up. All the while waiting for their break in life.

Pro Players have had their big breaks in life many times and blew it on their own accord. Did they invest in their future? Nope.

Most lived for the Now. Me. Me. Me. Did they not blow a couple of TV deals because they thought that they were worth more than, well, they were worth, and the sponsors walked.

I see where you're coming from CJ, but don't try and put the blame on anyone, fans, us, anyone but where the blame should lie.

I'm not blaming anyone, and judging is beyond my "pay scale" - all humans, even Professionals (of all trades) are simply doing the best they can with what they have - deserving the right to live, love and pursue happiness....'The Game is the Teacher'

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I'm not blaming anyone, and judging is beyond my "pay scale" - all humans, even Professionals (of all trades) are simply doing the best they can with what they have - deserving the right to live, love and pursue happiness....

good post. because it's true. we're all in it together & we're all trying to get by. so since you opened the door....
;)
do you, or would you, back a player, CJ?

(yes, you can tell me it's none of my business)
 
deserving the right to live, love and pursue happiness.

Did I ever imply that they weren't entitled to that?

Everyone is. Go and get it, on your own.

Apparently Cute Gifs Are the Teacher. I don't how it has anything to do with me tho.

A couple of years ago, when I still smoked, I went out to pick up some beer. I saw a guy picking butts off the ground. I called him over and gave half of the smokes that I had.

Did I judge him? I didn't think so. I just wanted him to have something that I had an abundance of and he didn't.

Maybe he didn't have any or few choices in life. At that moment, it wasn't up to me to question or judge.

I read stories of Road Players and Hustlers, threads on AZ re Pro Players and the bad choices that some of them made with the money that they had, and also their opportunities.

From my couple of experiences and from what I have read, I just choose not to support them in any fashion.

If that is judgmental to you CJ, then I guess that I am.

I will still play pool three nights a week, with or without them.
 
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.get pool back on TV and the suffering ends........

good post. because it's true. we're all in it together & we're all trying to get by. so since you opened the door....
;)
do you, or would you, back a player, CJ?

(yes, you can tell me it's none of my business)

I've backed pool players for millions of dollars through the years. As a matter of fact I backed an entire tour in 1996/99 called the PCA....you may have heard of it. ;)

I know the pool world is suffering right now.....life, to a certain extent is about pain, the suffering is usually optional......get pool back on TV and the suffering ends. :smile:

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Mahatma CJ.

Sorry, just felt the need to post that.

Philosophical Posts Are the Teacher.

get pool back on TV and the suffering ends

Cool. Who screwed the Casino and TV deals?

And who is doing the leg work to make it right once again?

Thats a real question CJ, not being facetious. At this point, I am kind of reading that you are trying to do something about it. Who is helping you?
 
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Only one that comes to mind that ever did such,,would be Irving Crane,,sold Cadilac's for a living--and won major tourny's in five consecutive decades. Or was that six decades?

He said in an interview that someone needs to play only one time per week to maintain "coordination for pool". That's all he needed I guess. What a huge talent
 
Another cute Gif which means basically zero. Yoda? Seriously. Do you believe in him? He hangs with Dick and Jane.

Try some Ghandi or Mao. Those guys actually were real people.

Of course, if you are trying to infer that I am afraid of life in turn which makes me an angry person, then stop trying to know me.

Been to the other side and back Bud. Trust me, there is nothing to be Afraid of.

I rejoice life because I know whats waiting for me. How about you.

Ah, I thought you were referring to this match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y12sL1oR2s
 
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Since this is a pool forum, a modicum of respect would seem to be in order. :smile:

And that is where you make your mistake.

They deserve respect for their playing ability.

It's an old story. When I was a youngester - one of the best players in
the country was from this area. A great player - but a scumbag of a
human being. Criminal, drug addict, card cheat... you name it.

We all know, not all players fit this stereotype, many are fine upstanding
citizens,. But most hustle, or at least gamble and in general live a lifestyle
that is not conducive to self-support.

It is also an inconvient truth that there is just not enough interest in pool
nor pool players for it to be a viable occupation.

How much do think the average champion Table Tennis player makes?

How about Horeseshoe pitchers, Croquet players?

Unlike what I would prefer - this is not the planet where "pro" Pool players
can expect to make a living at it.

Dale
 
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And that is where you make your mistake.

They deserve respect for their playing ability.

It's an old story. When I was a youngester - one of the best players in
the country was from this area. A great player - but a scumbag of a
human being. Criminal, drug addict, card cheat... you name it.

We all know, not all players fit this stereotype, many are fine upstanding
citizens,. But most hustle, or at least gamble and in general live a lifestyle
that is not conducive to self-support.

It is also an inconvient truth that there is just not enough intrest in pool
nor pool players for it to be a viable occupation.

How much do think the average champion Table Tennis player makes?

How about Horeseshoe pitchers, Croquet players?

Unlike what I would prefer - this is not the planet where "pro" Pool players
can expect to make a living at it.

Dale

I make a mistake because I state my opinion? Gimme a break. :grin-square:

This is a pool forum. There are many different kinds of a pool player. You have your weekend warriors or aspiring pros. Then you have your social shooters who could don't care a hill of beans about professional pool. You have league players who enjoy the socialization and competition of that once-a-week event. Then you have professional pool, which sits alone in a class by itself, and it is indeed miniscule compared to the rest of the pool-playing public.

It is kind of ironic to see thousands of threads on this forum about who's the best or CONGRATULATIONS to so-and-so the professional pool player, when so-and-so doesn't even read this forum, yet these members feel the need to give praise.

Yes, I believe on a pool forum that a professional pool player who has achieved a certain degree of success in this fractured industry deserves a modicum of respect, just for the fact that they can, indeed, play pool at a high level. That doesn't mean you have to hang off their testicles on every thread or carry their pool case for them or polish their shoes or give them pedicures. It's just a recognition that they can play some. That's all. You don't have to like them; in fact, most on this forum don't. And that's okay. To each their own.

There are a few pro players that I have lost respect for in recent times, but I still have a modicum of respect for their pool-playing capabilities strengths. Why? Because I'm a pool enthusiast. I could literally write a dissertation -- and I have -- on the ailments of pool players in the last century. Substance abuse, gambling, patrons of prostitution, dumping, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I realize that pool is not without its flaws and warts. My eyes are wide open to this. Why do you think I have not been back on that pro pool tournament trail since July of 2006? :wink:

It is still my belief that in the year 2014, a pro-caliber pool player cannot hold down a traditional job and compete on a global scale. He can be a weekend warrior, an amateur player, league shooter, social or recreational pool player and hold down that traditional job, but not shoot professionally and compete with Filipinos, Europeans, Asians, and others around the world. Just won't happen. Sure, somebody can come on this thread and say, well, gee, if they wanted to do it, they could hold down a job and still find time to practice. Yes, one in a million, but the reality is, based on my experience of 40-plus years in this pool world, it can't happen.

The occupational hazards in pool are brutal. I know what they are, and I know which players are abusing their bodies, marriages, and professionalism, but I also know how the BCA has contributed greatly to this current state of affairs. Let's not forget that it was the BCA that gave Charlie Williams the right to be in charge of the so-called "governing body of professional pool." It went downhill after the UPA, and soon the BCA slammed the door on professional pool. Billiard Congress of America? Are you kidding me?
 
I make a mistake because I state my opinion? Gimme a break. :grin-square:

This is a pool forum. There are many different kinds of a pool player. You have your weekend warriors or aspiring pros. Then you have your social shooters who could don't care a hill of beans about professional pool. You have league players who enjoy the socialization and competition of that once-a-week event. Then you have professional pool, which sits alone in a class by itself, and it is indeed miniscule compared to the rest of the pool-playing public.

It is kind of ironic to see thousands of threads on this forum about who's the best or CONGRATULATIONS to so-and-so the professional pool player, when so-and-so doesn't even read this forum, yet these members feel the need to give praise.

Yes, I believe on a pool forum that a professional pool player who has achieved a certain degree of success in this fractured industry deserves a modicum of respect, just for the fact that they can, indeed, play pool at a high level. That doesn't mean you have to hang off their testicles on every thread or carry their pool case for them or polish their shoes or give them pedicures. It's just a recognition that they can play some. That's all. You don't have to like them; in fact, most on this forum don't. And that's okay. To each their own.

There are a few pro players that I have lost respect for in recent times, but I still have a modicum of respect for their pool-playing capabilities strengths. Why? Because I'm a pool enthusiast. I could literally write a dissertation -- and I have -- on the ailments of pool players in the last century. Substance abuse, gambling, patrons of prostitution, dumping, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I realize that pool is not without its flaws and warts. My eyes are wide open to this. Why do you think I have not been back on that pro pool tournament trail since July of 2006? :wink:

It is still my belief that in the year 2014, a pro-caliber pool player cannot hold down a traditional job and compete on a global scale. He can be a weekend warrior, an amateur player, league shooter, social or recreational pool player and hold down that traditional job, but not shoot professionally and compete with Filipinos, Europeans, Asians, and others around the world. Just won't happen. Sure, somebody can come on this thread and say, well, gee, if they wanted to do it, they could hold down a job and still find time to practice. Yes, one in a million, but the reality is, based on my experience of 40-plus years in this pool world, it can't happen.

The occupational hazards in pool are brutal. I know what they are, and I know which players are abusing their bodies, marriages, and professionalism, but I also know how the BCA has contributed greatly to this current state of affairs. Let's not forget that it was the BCA that gave Charlie Williams the right to be in charge of the so-called "governing body of professional pool." It went downhill after the UPA, and soon the BCA slammed the door on professional pool. Billiard Congress of America? Are you kidding me?

No, I am not kidding you at all - I just wish you could learn to read
with at least a little bit of COMPREHENSION.

Dale( verified and documented star reading comprehender)
 
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No, I am bnot kidding you at all - I just wish you could learn to read
with at least a little bit of COMPREHENSION.

Dale( verified and documented star reading comprehender)

I read just fine. I also understand the American pool culture.
 
Jen, did I tell you that I got a pair of Cabelas Inferno Pac Boots tonight.

They have moisture wicking liners and my feet are really warm. Even posting this, my toes are toasty.

With my poor circulation in my legs, my ice fishing days are not over.

If we played pool outside, I would win every game.

Don't worry about Pro Pool. worry about me.
 
Jen, did I tell you that I got a pair of Cabelas Inferno Pac Boots tonight.

They have moisture wicking liners and my feet are really warm. Even posting this, my toes are toasty.

With my poor circulation in my legs, my ice fishing days are not over.

If we played pool outside, I would win every game.

Don't worry about Pro Pool. worry about me.

I'm an Uggs boot kind of gal. They always keep my feet toasty warm. ;)
 

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