That's interesting but not what I heard. Let's hope this is the case.
Let's also hope that, as I have done Justin in the past when I'm doing free streams during his PPV's, maybe TAR will also do POV a solid during the Varner event.
Can someone help me understand the thought process behind these requests?
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That's interesting but not what I heard. Let's hope this is the case.
Let's also hope that, as I have done Justin in the past when I'm doing free streams during his PPV's, maybe TAR will also do POV a solid during the Varner event.
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Last Year's Pros at the Rum Runner!
Jeremy Jones
Max Eberle
Ronnie Alcano
Shane VanBoening
Ernesto Dominguez
Oscar Dominguez
Morro Paez
Sal Butera
Darren Appleton
Jayson Shaw
Rodney Morris
Mitch Ellerman
Stevie Moore
Carl Wilson, Jr.
Here's the complete bracket, incase you are curious to know who else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQebGs5sc2c
I don't see that much of an issue... one is Bar Tables the other is 9 ftrs... its like choosing between NASCAR and a Gran Prix.. both have cars and a track... but after that.....
edit: for me it is a good thing... I don't watch bar table events so I will now have an event to watch and if it is PPV ... $$'s that would not have made it into the pool streaming world .. now will... win/win
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I like your idea but in order to have a 'Swing' with Str8 Shots there needs to be some coordination and professionalism. For the past 3 years, I have coordinated with all of the venue owners and promotors of each of those events except the 'Varner' event which is new, to get the timing perfect. You are also missing a couple of events and another one in 2015 called 'The Kamui Open' Event (TBA). This being said, coordination and timing is KEY!
The sad news is, that Str8 Shots hasn't spoken with me ONCE....EVER!
- A little inside info for you... When Mark Cantrill originally started working on the 'Varner' event, POV Pool was actually being slated to stream it. I, personally have had NO contact with Kimberlee and when Mark was 'let go' by Str8 Shots, they decided to go with TAR. I was also told that Str8 Shots mentioned to Mark that they didn't like me... that I was 'unprofessional'.
it's puzzling to me that a person can be deemed as unprofessional, when you have had no direct contact with them. I, of all people am an open book and will always answer my phone if you simply pick it up.
The only explanation I can think of for being viewed as unprofessional is, that I had a PPV event in Montana that they sponsored with Mark Cantrill with and there were some issues with the PPV service, during which time Str8 Shots couldn't log ing and they actually had to pay to watch their own stream. I refunded their money, of course, but it took a some time to do so, as I was on the road and also streaming the BCA Nationals immediately afterwards.
My only guess is that Str8 Shots basically deemed me useless, based on my lack of customer service or that because they had differences with Mr. Cantrill then POV was just guilty by association. Be that as it may, without proper coordination and communication, you basically end up with a 'he said/she said' scenario, where people end up getting thrown under the proverbial 'bus'.
I appreciate what Str8 Shots is trying to do for pool and am not trying to blast Kimberlee personally, but if you take the time to reach out and take a minute to discover who I really am as a person then I think you'll find things will go a lot smoother. I can't stand it when people assume the worst of people without finding out for themselves.
I will streaming this weekend also from Big Tyme Billiards in Houston.
One Pocket, Banks and 9 BallWe already have Dennis Orcollo, Carlo Biado, Justin Bergman, Brandon Shuff, Robb Saez also a couple of BCA National Champions, winner of this years Louie Roberts award Richie Richeson, Hall of fame One Pocket player Cliff Joyner just to name a few.
Oh yeah.....This will all be streamed free. :shocked2:
Ray
I will streaming this weekend also from Big Tyme Billiards in Houston.
We already have Dennis Orcollo, Carlo Biado, Justin Bergman, Brandon Shuff, Robb Saez also a couple of BCA National Champions, winner of this years Louie Roberts award Richie Richeson, Hall of fame One Pocket player Cliff Joyner just to name a few.
Oh yeah.....This will all be streamed free. :shocked2:
Ray
NOW this is getting interesting.... What is the name of the event?
edit: found it ** The 2nd Annual Big Tyme Classic - $10,000 Added Guaranteed - March 20-23rd **
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I will streaming this weekend also from Big Tyme Billiards in Houston.
We already have Dennis Orcollo, Carlo Biado, Justin Bergman, Brandon Shuff, Robb Saez also a couple of BCA National Champions, winner of this years Louie Roberts award Richie Richeson, Hall of fame One Pocket player Cliff Joyner just to name a few.
Oh yeah.....This will all be streamed free. :shocked2:
Ray
That's awesome, Ray!
Free streams are free streams. The one point that I'd like to make is, that when free streams occur at the same time as a PPV Stream, that the free streamer should always be willing to promote the PPV stream as a courtesy. I believe that this is the only way to have unity amongst our companies.
Ray, I'm happy to pick up where we left off 3 years ago, after our relationship was intervened on.
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yea what he said
I see I was quoted earlier in a post, don't get me wrong, some PRO PLAYERS, that I will name do help events when asked, shane vanboening, Melissa little, mark haddad, corey , john morra, chip, warren, and a few have others have attended our tournament in north Dakota and when here , they were happy to talk to the average player, taking their time to answer questions, sign autographs, play matches with anyone who asked. I m just saying some players that I wont name , when invited to our tournament wanted everything paid, why would we pay them when we didn't pay shane and them. pro , not pro, promoter , business owner, when they were asked to help promote, exhibition, teach, clinic , they declined. we have in the past comped or paid the above players because they helped us promote, or just by them attending was a draw and other players came just for the chance to play them or see them play, bringing value to our event and casino. we don't make money putting on this tournament and work hard to provide a event , none of our committee is paid, we are not a pool hall or business. we do this event so their is a event players can play in .
I see I was quoted earlier in a post, don't get me wrong, some PRO PLAYERS, that I will name do help events when asked, shane vanboening, Melissa little, mark haddad, corey , john morra, chip, warren, and a few have others have attended our tournament in north Dakota and when here , they were happy to talk to the average player, taking their time to answer questions, sign autographs, play matches with anyone who asked. I m just saying some players that I wont name , when invited to our tournament wanted everything paid, why would we pay them when we didn't pay shane and them. pro , not pro, promoter , business owner, when they were asked to help promote, exhibition, teach, clinic , they declined. we have in the past comped or paid the above players because they helped us promote, or just by them attending was a draw and other players came just for the chance to play them or see them play, bringing value to our event and casino. we don't make money putting on this tournament and work hard to provide a event , none of our committee is paid, we are not a pool hall or business. we do this event so their is a event players can play in .
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Now we're talking. Now this is uniting the pool world. We are really lucky to have so much good coverage to choose from.
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I'll take a stab at this one.
When you are promoting pool events you check around to try and not stack events on top of each other so players will have the opportunity to attend all of them.
People that cover pool for a living are excellent people to check with because it's our business to know where the events are and often we know far in advance of the general public. Especially if we are promoting them too.
Not the same as chalk sales.
Ray
Excellent and thank you!
I did not read all posts, so I apologize if this is repeating what someone else said or contradictory (not trying to cause dispute). Also, very rough numbers and someone can correct if I am way off base just please be kind 
Just trying to share my thought process looking at it from a financial risk assessment POV.
When I look at this from making money to live perspective...you need to finish high to get enough money to cover all expenses. Assuming that a person arrives the day before (to get a good night rest) and leaves the day after that is 5 nights and after room taxes and all that, let's just simplify and say $100 a night. That is $500 expense. Add round trip air fair...i don't know...$500 round trip on the cheap side? up to $1000 in expense. Now add a very conservative $30/day for meals (including on travel days) and that is another...round down....$200. Up to $1200 in expense. Now add entry fee, greens fees et al...
At this point, a person would need to place in the top three just to break even. The person that places 1st makes 2-3K profit? for 1 week of work while everyone else loses money. On the surface, 2-3 K profit is nice...but how far does that go? How is a pro tourney player going to have any life balance with a family or be able to spend time at a place called home? And, what if they don't win, what do they rely on to pay bills? If they have a day job, they are taking time off work...
Unless someone wants to live out of a suitcase and always can take first, seems hard to make a living off of tourney winnings alone. How many tourney players could there actually be that actually can make a living that way with only so many tournaments and only a few that can place high enough to cover expenses?
Just trying to share my thought process looking at it from a financial risk assessment POV.When I look at this from making money to live perspective...you need to finish high to get enough money to cover all expenses. Assuming that a person arrives the day before (to get a good night rest) and leaves the day after that is 5 nights and after room taxes and all that, let's just simplify and say $100 a night. That is $500 expense. Add round trip air fair...i don't know...$500 round trip on the cheap side? up to $1000 in expense. Now add a very conservative $30/day for meals (including on travel days) and that is another...round down....$200. Up to $1200 in expense. Now add entry fee, greens fees et al...
At this point, a person would need to place in the top three just to break even. The person that places 1st makes 2-3K profit? for 1 week of work while everyone else loses money. On the surface, 2-3 K profit is nice...but how far does that go? How is a pro tourney player going to have any life balance with a family or be able to spend time at a place called home? And, what if they don't win, what do they rely on to pay bills? If they have a day job, they are taking time off work...
Unless someone wants to live out of a suitcase and always can take first, seems hard to make a living off of tourney winnings alone. How many tourney players could there actually be that actually can make a living that way with only so many tournaments and only a few that can place high enough to cover expenses?
I did not read all posts, so I apologize if this is repeating what someone else said or contradictory (not trying to cause dispute). Also, very rough numbers and someone can correct if I am way off base just please be kind
When I look at this from making money to live perspective...you need to finish high to get enough money to cover all expenses. Assuming that a person arrives the day before (to get a good night rest) and leaves the day after that is 5 nights and after room taxes and all that, let's just simplify and say $100 a night. That is $500 expense. Add round trip air fair...i don't know...$500 round trip on the cheap side? up to $1000 in expense. Now add a very conservative $30/day for meals (including on travel days) and that is another...round down....$200. Up to $1200 in expense. Now add entry fee, greens fees et al...
At this point, a person would need to place in the top three just to break even. The person that places 1st makes 2-3K profit? for 1 week of work while everyone else loses money. On the surface, 2-3 K profit is nice...but how far does that go? How is a pro tourney player going to have any life balance with a family or be able to spend time at a place called home? And, what if they don't win, what do they rely on to pay bills? If they have a day job, they are taking time off work...
Unless someone wants to live out of a suitcase and always can take first, seems hard to make a living off of tourney winnings alone. How many tourney players could there actually be that actually can make a living that way with only so many tournaments and only a few that can place high enough to cover expenses?
What's more, tournament directors and tournament referees make more money at a pool tournament than 95 percent of ther field. Welcome to American pool.
Would you rather have the owners or promoters just pocket all the money?
My advice like anything else in life is focus on the good people who appreciate you and forget the rest.