Can we have the truth - are the Bonus Ball players being paid or not?

Answers?

Still waiting to hear from a representative of BB. It is hard to believe they would let this banter go on if it were not true. This is very damaging. They may not think AZ is their "target group" but it is a very distinguished pool forum and many people read it everyday all across the spectrum of the pool world.

I feel sorry for the players if this is true. I have got confirmation from a couple people that I trust 100%, but still want to make damn sure it's not some disgruntled player speaking for the rest of the players. I feel bad for the players in this situation. Many of them moved to Vegas in hopes of making a career out of what they loved. I understand some of them probably realized it was a long shot, but still it was a SHOT!

It sucks being passionate about the game for people of my generation. I got to witness a little bit of pool in its prime in the late 80s early 90s. Basically, it's been spiraling downhill ever since. I can remember thinking how cool it must be to be a top pro. Traveling the country, pictures in magazines, exposure on NATIONAL television, and all of the other perks. Now, as I've grown older and reached 31 years it has come to light that this game is just that...a game. It seems like there is no light at the end of the tunnel and all eggs should not be stored in one basket.

If this unfolds into what I'm afraid of, then I'd like to take this time to apologize to these players on behalf of all billiard fans and enthusiasts for watching a dream diminish into thin air in the middle of the desert. Some of these guys are good buddies and great people. Good luck to you all in future endeavors.
 
As an uneducated personal opinion, is it not safe to assume that all the players are under some form of contract?
Is it also safe to assume that within this same contract, there is also some additional agreement wording about speaking/writing in public about anything financial, organizational or anything else related to the business? ( Such as a Non-disclosure Agreement ).
If any of this be the case, I believe it safe to assume we are not going to get any of the players to mention a word publicly on record. In doing so, that would open them up to massive legal issues ( being sued to oblivion ), threating even more financial downfall than already put on them if they are indeed not currently being compensated in full to date.

Again, I am not a lawyer, I do not know the laws associated with their situations or the state of employment. This is merely a question or observation of an uneducated in law forum member.

Dopc.
 
As an uneducated personal opinion, is it not safe to assume that all the players are under some form of contract?
Is it also safe to assume that within this same contract, there is also some additional agreement wording about speaking/writing in public about anything financial, organizational or anything else related to the business? ( Such as a Non-disclosure Agreement ).
If any of this be the case, I believe it safe to assume we are not going to get any of the players to mention a word publicly on record. In doing so, that would open them up to massive legal issues ( being sued to oblivion ), threating even more financial downfall than already put on them if they are indeed not currently being compensated in full to date.

Again, I am not a lawyer, I do not know the laws associated with their situations or the state of employment. This is merely a question or observation of an uneducated in law forum member.

Dopc.

Methinks that you are correct.

Although it is undoubtedly also a function of that same contract that said players were to be paid XXX amount on a regular basis, which apparently isn't being fulfilled....so mayhaps said players could get away with making comments, were they so inclined.

Still, it makes sense that they would not. I would not, were I them. And it's easy enough for their message to get out into the public domain, as we have seen currently, and without a doubt we will continue to see.
 
I don't think that matters, as withholdings are the employer's responsibility.

I think the choice 'workers' means anyone who performs work for an entity.

BB is funding the operation/ payroll, owns the building and is directing the activities of the players. I don't think BB can shirk employer liability.

But I am sure they thought that part through:rolleyes:.


depends on their status W2 or 1099, I got caught in a beef back in 89 with this subject. Wow that was brutal.
 
As an uneducated personal opinion, is it not safe to assume that all the players are under some form of contract?
Is it also safe to assume that within this same contract, there is also some additional agreement wording about speaking/writing in public about anything financial, organizational or anything else related to the business? ( Such as a Non-disclosure Agreement ).
If any of this be the case, I believe it safe to assume we are not going to get any of the players to mention a word publicly on record. In doing so, that would open them up to massive legal issues ( being sued to oblivion ), threating even more financial downfall than already put on them if they are indeed not currently being compensated in full to date.

Again, I am not a lawyer, I do not know the laws associated with their situations or the state of employment. This is merely a question or observation of an uneducated in law forum member.

Dopc.


yes and no as for the contract. its complex because verbal contracts are enforceable as written ones are-harder to prove tho.

So i'll leave it at that,
 
Methinks that you are correct.

Although it is undoubtedly also a function of that same contract that said players were to be paid XXX amount on a regular basis, which apparently isn't being fulfilled....so mayhaps said players could get away with making comments, were they so inclined.

Still, it makes sense that they would not. I would not, were I them. And it's easy enough for their message to get out into the public domain, as we have seen currently, and without a doubt we will continue to see.


All good a valid points. Thanks for the reply. I don't have a dog in this fight, so to speak. I do hope they are being compensated for what they are owed.
I do have opinions about BB, but I will reserve them to myself as my opinions don't mean a thing (momma always said). I do love the sport of billiards, its players and fan base. Any downfall in the sport can be nothing but bad news for future endeavors.

Dopc.
 
yes and no as for the contract. its complex because verbal contracts are enforceable as written ones are-harder to prove tho.

So i'll leave it at that,

Maybe I'm incorrect, but I believe you worded that backwards. I think you meant to say written contracts are more enforceable where-as a verbal contract can lead to a he said she said situation. A written contract is, well more black and white so to speak. Please feel free to correct me if I mis-understood your post.

Dopc.
 
Maybe I'm incorrect, but I believe you worded that backwards. I think you meant to say written contracts are more enforceable where-as a verbal contract can lead to a he said she said situation.A written contract is, well more black and white so to speak. Please feel free to correct me if I mis-understood your post.

Dopc.


thats correct,

it was 117 when i drove acrooss the desert to vegas today so i'm not firing on all cylinders, good catch:):)
 
thats correct,

it was 117 when i drove acrooss the desert to vegas today so i'm not firing on all cylinders, good catch:):)

No worries my friend, I have made that same trip several times and fully understand. Safe traveling and hope the doc visits go well...

Dopc
 
Here's a great question: Why does anyone care about the finances of others? Is it really your business whether or not others are paid? Just askin...
 
Here's a great question: Why does anyone care about the finances of others? Is it really your business whether or not others are paid? Just askin...

Welcome to AzBilliards. Great first post! :smile:
 
Here's a great question: Why does anyone care about the finances of others? Is it really your business whether or not others are paid? Just askin...

My first thought would be that one would care if they were contemplating purchasing the entire season or just buying the streams week to week.
 
My first thought would be that one would care if they were contemplating purchasing the entire season or just buying the streams week to week.

I think I read in the press release that those who did purchase some streams will be refunded their money, so no worries there! :smile:
 
the real question is.....

Here's a great question: Why does anyone care about the finances of others? Is it really your business whether or not others are paid? Just askin...

How dare you bring logic into this discussion....the real question is "why would anyone care that anyone cares if anyone gets paid or not?"
 
How dare you bring logic into this discussion....the real question is "why would anyone care that anyone cares if anyone gets paid or not?"

Oh Snap! Good one, CJ! I'm going to use that in life. I know it's going to come up.
 
One player complained to a friend of mine that he hadnt been paid for 2 weeks (not that bad) and the guy with the checkbook had gone to Canada.

Now there is a new one. At least the checkbook wan't left in Chicago like the IPT.
 
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