Can you identify this cue?

[Hunter]

Matt,

You're going to have a hell of a time getting anyone on that list to give you an answer. I would say your best shot is Paul Heubler or Dick Helmstetter. I tried to get Bob M. to answer a question I had about an unknown cue several months ago, and I'm still waiting. I think Ricco is back in Mexico, and of course Craig P. is no longer with us. Another guy that you might want to try that has a pretty decent knowledge of National and Cervantes cues is Deno Andrews. He told me once that Cervantes cues are pretty easy to ID because of the fact that he chamfers his pilot in the shaft on both sides, and I forget exactly what, but he also said that there is something kind of unique with his pin work, too.

I still think Fudunka. Even though the cue in the attached picture has a steel joint, its pin was rounded very much like yours and was built from a bar cue. I'm just hard headed, though. Chris and Craig have forgotten more about cues from this era than I'll ever know about them, and they might be on to something with National. Let us know if you ever figure it out, will you?

Thanks!

Steve

 

[Knight-of-Pool]

I talk to Paul Huebler about a month ago about a cue. And ask him about working for National. He said he never worked for them. Just thought I would pass this info on. Hope you find out who made your cue. Its a tuff job lots of unknown makers out there that copy other makers style. Good Luck Jerry

 

[Hunter]

I talk to Paul Huebler about a month ago about a cue. And ask him about working for National. He said he never worked for them. Just thought I would pass this info on. Hope you find out who made your cue. Its a tuff job lots of unknown makers out there that copy other makers style. Good Luck Jerry

I wondered about that. I think he worked for A.E. Schmidt for awhile before he set up shop on his own...

 

[manwon]

I wondered about that. I think he worked for A.E. Schmidt for awhile before he set up shop in his own...

I am uncertain if he worked direct for them, however, Paul did tell me once that he build some cues for them back in the 1970's. The deal did not turn out well so he got stuck with the cues, and that was that. I grew up in St. Louis, Mo in fact a Huebler Cue was the first cue I ever owned, I purchased it in 1974. Unfortunately I have not spoken to Paul for many many year's. While doing research on National cues Paul's name came up, a couple of times. Then around a year ago, I had a National Cue come into the shop for repair and refinish. The cue had a Nylon Insert in the shaft like later Huebler cues, but that could have been Bob Meucci's influence. Now, one thing I am certain of is that Bob Meucci and Paul Huebler did work together in the early 1970's, and if Paul did not work at National, then he must have seen Bob using those inserts and kept using them.

Take Care

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

A friend of mine, a collector, and a poster here - nancewayne, was kind enuf to bring two Nationals to the hall last night for my benefit. We compared mine with them. There were multiple subtle differences, and as a result, we found it hard to place mine as a National.

The differences I recall (after 3 beers and a monster L.I. Iced Tea, lol):

- brass inserts did not come out as far mine
- brass rings were thinner, and phenolic around it was not as wide
- brass pins were rounded, but @ twice as long

Maybe Wayne will chime in here and add to my recall and assessment. He has @ 350 cues and can give me the 2 and out on this.

Regardless... This identification "exercise" opens my eyes as to why collecting and checking out cues is so interesting, and perhaps addicting to some. All good stuff!

 

[nancewayne]

OK Matt, you pushed me......" 2 and out " !!!

Seriously though, I think your cue is a "high bred", it probably started with a brunswick forearm in the late 60's or early 70's and was added to or modified through the years to what it is now. Sorry I can't help more.

All I know is that it DOES WORK for you and it has paid for itself many times since you've owned it !

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

ok matt, you pushed me......" 2 and out " !!!

Seriously though, i think your cue is a "high bred", it probably started with a brunswick forearm in the late 60's or early 70's and was added to or modified through the years to what it is now. Sorry i can't help more.

All i know is that it does work for you and it has paid for itself many times since you've owned it !

i thought about the "high bred" theory, but the problem is, he's owned it since it was new, and didn't mention any modifications being done to the cue.

If it was heavily worked on, that really changes how the cue gets looked at.

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

i thought about the "high bred" theory, but the problem is, he's owned it since it was new, and didn't mention any modifications being done to the cue.

If it was heavily worked on, that really changes how the cue gets looked at.

Nah Marcus, twasn't "heavily" worked on. I replaced the shaft way way back and I may have had the rubber replaced way back. Other than that,
as the only owner, I can attest it is fresh out of the new cue display case.

Also, thanks for the input Wayne. That was a nice post, especially coming from you, my real life tournament nemisis!