Carbon Fiber Shafts should be Banned

hang-the-9 said:
How often have we seen this layout, say from a bad position play? The winning ball is by the pocket but the guy hooked himself behind the red ball, pulls out a jump cue he used 4 times before, hops over the ball, wins game (or even makes a good hit or it's another non-game winning ball). No skill needed past $60 to spend on a cue, no punishment for bad position play. This situation is a totally different setup if one has to kick if they can't clear the ball with a full cue, or the amount of skill needed to jump with a full cue. Yes jumping well with tough shots is as hard as kicking, but jumping just good enough to change the outcome of the game with a jump cue is trivial. That is the point I am making, good enough is good enough in most cases, some C/B level player does not need to make a table length jump with draw to beat another C/B player, just making a legal hit is a huge benefit or making an easy ball by a pocket. Not everyone is a 750 Fargo playing a 720 Fargo where you need much higher skill levels in everything to win a game, and even then one jump shot made with a jump cue that still makes it way easier than with a full cue can change the match. How many times has the US lost a Mosconi Cup match due to a jump cue? Many times. Would they have lost those games if the guy had to jump with a full cue? Maybe but much less likely. Heck, I swear half the games Albin wins at Mosconi has been with a jump cue or with a fluke when a missed ball still goes somewhere.
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And I guess, even with that shot, if they have the skills to make it then great, the fact they are at the table is my fault ;)
 
This guy claiming 3-4 ball runners became great players after buying cf shafts sure does experience the world differently than I do. In my local pool hall, nearly every player has switched and they're all just as good or bad as before. If you can only run 3-4 balls, a cf shaft or indeed any shaft ever made can do nothing for you. There are wooden shafts with just as low deflection, lower even. "Power transfer" my ass! If you are at the above mentioned skill level, what's hitting the ball harder going to do for you!? They should have a boiled spaghetti cue instead, to help them stop banging balls around! If you can't run racks reliably, there are only a few main reasons: you have bad fundamentals, you shoot the wrong shots (wrong English or speed selected, or bad patterns) or you aim your shots wrong. Carbon fiber won't help you
 
I really shouldn't get mad about this stuff, but it kind of pisses me off that all these types are pissing their money away at something that will have no effect on their games, instead of getting some instruction or working on their skills. No shaft, cue or other gimmick is going to put balls in the pockets for you. Don't let equipment shills tell you otherwise! If you're stuck, get some lessons, do some drills or anything other than blowing 500 plus dollars on bs. It may be "good for the industry", but what would be even better would be to encourage people to play more and get better so they actually stick around, rather than quitting with their attics and closets full of useless junk.
 
Silly thread. I don’t like what you use so I’m going to inflate an weak argument that nobody should be allowed to use it. Seems like a good time to just worry about yourself.
 
Texas Carom Club said:
State champ doesn't need cash to gamble, he'll drive my truck all the way home
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Think the only Cue allowed should be allowed is One Piece House Cue with Dog 💩 Tip, a and BLUE - RING FERREL.
 
Minnesota Phat said:
The other day I got a chance to shoot with one of these pieces of crap, and all I can say is: UGLY.

I always knew that they looked ugly, but they also sound truly awful. My pool-loving soul recoiled at the very first impact of the cue against the cue ball, and that horrendous hollow "plink" sound.

Carbon fiber shafts and phenolic break tips are the aluminum baseball bats of pool - sure, they perform well, but they look like crap, they sound like crap, and they are a sign of everything wrong with billiards in America.

In England they have respect for tradition, and great snooker players make a lot of $$$ using snooker cues made out of real wood - no gimmicks, no B.S., no eyesores, and no plinking pieces of carbon fiber garbage.

I'd rather shoot with a broomstick than with a carbon fiber shaft.

Carbon fiber shafts should be banned from every money game - agree or disagree?
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Minnesota Phat said:
The other day I got a chance to shoot with one of these pieces of crap, and all I can say is: UGLY.

I always knew that they looked ugly, but they also sound truly awful. My pool-loving soul recoiled at the very first impact of the cue against the cue ball, and that horrendous hollow "plink" sound.

Carbon fiber shafts and phenolic break tips are the aluminum baseball bats of pool - sure, they perform well, but they look like crap, they sound like crap, and they are a sign of everything wrong with billiards in America.

In England they have respect for tradition, and great snooker players make a lot of $$$ using snooker cues made out of real wood - no gimmicks, no B.S., no eyesores, and no plinking pieces of carbon fiber garbage.

I'd rather shoot with a broomstick than with a carbon fiber shaft.

Carbon fiber shafts should be banned from every money game - agree or disagree?
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I've never tried the carbon fiber shafts but I prefer tradition so have to agree. I suppose if you're wearing sneakers and a T shirt while playing pool it won't matter much.
 
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briankenobi said:
"...the only reason you can make the jump is because of the material the tip is made from nothing else."

that is an incorrect statement. yes, the tip material is a big factor, but if someone doesn't have good jump fundamentals, they will not be able to jump no matter what. I have seen people with the propel and the air rush (both over $400) and not execute a simple jump shot. However, I have also seen people jump well with a $100 jump cue. Yes, tip and design are a big factor but not the only factor.
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Complete hogwash. I could cut a house cue down to 42”, put a phenolic tip on it, and it will jump waaaaaaaaay better than a Predator Air Rush with a Le Pro tip. It’s ALL in the synthetic tip.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Think the only Cue allowed should be allowed is One Piece House Cue with Dog 💩 Tip, a and BLUE - RING FERREL.
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I played at Family Billiards in San Francisco on a work trip. I loved the place but played with these 54” house cues with the most deflection I’ve ever seen. I couldn’t draw the ball for nothing with them. Sounds like you’d have loved them.
 
The_JV said:
I'll counter your argument with one wherein simply rolling behind an obstruction with little regard to OB/CB position is somehow a good safety. Here's a tip from a sometimes half assed bottom end short stop. It isn't....

If you have the capability to play the CB after contact, 3 rails, ~17ft and place the CB 4" behind something on repeatedly. Then you really should have the experience the would equate to a different perspective on the game. Perhaps rather the miracle / over your head safety, try just moving the CB a foot or two and freezing it up on something.
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I love when a guy throws a humble brag about their playing ability. So I’ll play along. I played Rob Hall at the US Amateur Championship back in 2018, and lost 7-5. Was up 5-2 on him. Trust me, I know which end of the cue points forward.

I also built cues. So I may know a thing about those pointy things you play with.
 
MattPoland said:
I played at Family Billiards in San Francisco on a work trip. I loved the place but played with these 54” house cues with the most deflection I’ve ever seen. I couldn’t draw the ball for nothing with them. Sounds like you’d have loved them.
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My comments about a House Cue only was 🤮 humor.

But I have seen road player who only personal playing items were Willard, sandpaper, and cube of chalk.

House Cue was used with worked over tip.

People want Magic Cue, Magic Shaft, Magic Aiming, Banking, Kicking System.

Snake Oil Elixers of circa 2022.😇
 
Kicks and jumps are fun.

Masse shots dont get the action or attention because no one sells a masse cue. It should be sold with a masse arm bridge.

This thread is now complete.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Crown in Oklahoma City makes Masse Cues.

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Promoting Masse shots could lead to sales on new cloth more often.

The burn marks from a masse session wear the table cloth much faster than break or jump shots.

Some people are promoting break pads. Why not just promote changing cloth on the table regularly and rebalancing of the table?

Its like the pool industry only wants one and done sales, while other industries are favoring subscription based services. Let the local pool pro also be a less skilled table mechanic.

Its been awhile since I went shopping online for a masse cue. Thanks for pointing it out. When I first learned the masse it wouldve been a lot easier with a masse hand device or masse arm support.
 
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