Careful Criticizing CSI Org

Working in office at the BCA when they moved to CO, I've found these types of petty, immature actions in play.
I've seen full grown men crying, when they wanted/needed the BCA approval for their new program to be recognized in the industry.
Now-a-daZe it's become normal political behavior with Educated people, not just power trip league operators.
Men are men and women are women, and education still does not help many.
It's all up to the parents in the beginning when raising 2 legged animals.
Like an elephant, they need to be close, guided for at least 13 yrs.
 
mikepage said:
Yes, the comments weren’t from a random player but from a league operator—essentially a local ambassador and representative for the organization and a recruiter for new players. It's common for people in those roles to be held to a higher standard of avoiding public statements that undermine confidence in the competitions, governance, sponsors, etc.

My guess is that if the post had simply been a discussion about pocket size, this thread wouldn’t exist. But in a short message he:
– criticized the officiating
– criticized the policing of bad behavior
– criticized the welcoming of new players
– criticized the welcoming of lower-skilled players
– ridiculed the equipment
– called out a major sponsor
– wrapped it up with the phrase “BCA is fast becoming…”

Put together, that reads less like a narrow criticism and more like an insider saying the organization itself is going downhill. When comments like that come from someone tied to the league in an official capacity, it’s just not surprising the organization would respond.
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How does someone have an 87 Fargo? People I’ve seen that can barely make a ball are at least 200
 
GideonF said:
How does someone have an 87 Fargo? People I’ve seen that can barely make a ball are at least 200
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I've seen a dad who played much worse than his two pre-teen sons, and they couldn't play at all. He would have a negative FR.

One student who had played in league for maybe a year, had not only never played a draw shot, she was unaware that such a thing was possible. Really. Tap the cue ball in the direction of the object ball is a complete description of some players' technique.
 
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GideonF said:
How does someone have an 87 Fargo? People I’ve seen that can barely make a ball are at least 200
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I have a good friend who has played league full time for years and has a robustness of 777 and a rating of 110. When she wins a game against someone I know, she runs to the phone to tell me about it.

Though I was able to convince my wife to take the 6-hour pool instruction course I co-taught, I haven't been able to convince her to try it much more. But I am confident if she did she would be destroyed by that friend I mention above.

It's actually a credit to pool as a discipline that there's about 1,000 points of rating range--10 doublings! Tic Tac Toe can't say that.
 
mikepage said:
I have a good friend who has played league full time for years and has a robustness of 777 and a rating of 110. When she wins a game against someone I know, she runs to the phone to tell me about it.

Though I was able to convince my wife to take the 6-hour pool instruction course I co-taught, I haven't been able to convince her to try it much more. But I am confident if she did she would be destroyed by that friend I mention above.

It's actually a credit to pool as a discipline that there's about 1,000 points of rating range--10 doublings! Tic Tac Toe can't say that.
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Quantum tic tac toe (pool) can.
 
I was out there for the event. We asked about the pockets being a bit large and were told that the pockets were widened to speed up play due to being way behind schedule the last couple years. Here's a pict of the actual pockets.
 

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yankee817299 said:
I was out there for the event. We asked about the pockets being a bit large and were told that the pockets were widened to speed up play due to being way behind schedule the last couple years. Here's a pict of the actual pockets.
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those pockets are fine for normal smaller tournaments.

super pros can play on sub 4.5 inch pockets and wanna be pros that think small pockets are great yet cant run out on them.

most sports have more than one level of difficulty depending on the participants. and rightly so.
 
mike page,,

i don't know you but you have done more for pool with your rating system than almost anyone ever.

now smaller tournaments and leagues can have events where most, or all entrants can know how they stand before they enter, and can also have a good chance of winning or coming in close.
and many larger events as well.
 
skip100 said:
How is that damning? The corner pockets are barely over 2 balls width.
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I was referring to the operators claiming the pockets were enlarged to speed up play because they went over time before.

I couldn't care less how big or small the actual pockets are, but it seems like a bandaid solution to a much bigger problem if they're actually using bigger pockets to try and speed up games.
 
skip100 said:
How is that damning? The corner pockets are barely over 2 balls width.
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As someone that played on snooker tables and UK pool tables long before I ever played on an American pool table, the idea of 2 balls fitting in a pocket is wild to me. Glad my local club has much tighter pockets than that. I like a break and run feeling like an achievement, not something you do every 2nd frame.
 
those pockets are as wide as most under say 550 fargo should be playing on. and even 600 should not be complaining about them
as they wont be stringing racks.
 
JohnnyOzone said:
Look again. The back of the pocket is as wide or wider than the front. Makes them play HUGE
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Many people don't realize the huge importance of the angle of the facings. I'd say those parallel-facing pocket play half an inch wider than they look. On the other side of that are the traditional Olhausen pockets, which can play much smaller than they look.

When Greg Sullivan developed the table equipment specs for the WPA, he was very careful about pocket opening angle. The pockets shown are definitely not within spec.
 
RidgeRaider said:
I was referring to the operators claiming the pockets were enlarged to speed up play because they went over time before.

I couldn't care less how big or small the actual pockets are, but it seems like a bandaid solution to a much bigger problem if they're actually using bigger pockets to try and speed up games.
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If a big event has pockets smaller than most of the players are used to it is going to slow down the tournament. A few years ago the Derby went to 4.25 pockets on all tables. This is not an issue for the pros but for all the amateur players in the field it was a problem and the whole event fell behind. It’s not just missed balls, but also people playing safe more often because they don’t have confidence in making a tough shot. I believe they went back to 4.5” the following year.

I haven’t played on these Predators but the first reports I got from people playing on them at a big Canadian event (the CCS championships) is that they were playing tougher than the standard Diamond BB that people were used to (and this was with fairly new cloth). Sounds like they may have over-corrected though.
 
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