Who makes the BEST Carom Billiards Cue?
Carom Billiards Cue builders
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CocoboloCowboy said:
Personal Preferance......
that, and "you get what you paid for"
I don't believe that there is a "favoratism" as far as I know. Some might like Longoni... some might like Adam. Some might perfer production... others like handmade. Some like dual threaded (i.e. Torbjorn's Helmsetter) or others perfer the traditional wood thread on the shaft. Some like small game cues; some like 3-cushion cues; and some might like both (i.e. me
) .
Depend what actually you looking for??? There only a few cuebuilder in the U.S. Dieckman, Kilby, Huf, Schuler, just to mention a few and I know there still a few left out [any cuemaker should be able to build a carom cue]. I have 1 of 3 make by Todd Elkins [Parrot Cue] Adams and Helmstetter probably wide known. Layni [sp?]Cue is getting some attention.
Two Name I have heard are Kilby, Helmstetter as Number One Carom Cues.
3 Cushion cues
I have tried quite a few 3 cushion cues since the 3 cushion game is popular in Greece.
I have shot with dozens of Adam cues both wood pin and double joint models, 3-4 Schuler cues, 1 Layani cue (the most expensive model), Longoni a few, a few Alcalde cues, Buffalo cues they are also from Adam and some noname cues which their name says it all... I play with a CK pool cue with a billiard shaft that was made from Chester when I ordered the cue and shoots great.
The Adam double joint cues is very good for 3 cushion, the wood pin cues I think is better for the small games.
The Schuler cues I tried had a very strong conical very thick which I didn't like, if you turn down the taper they hit very good. Something the butt is thicker than the other cues so if you are using a rubber wrap they get quite thick. I know that Schuler has 3 Carom shafts but I don't know which I have tried but everyone here has turned them down..
The Layani is my personal favorite the cue was great in everything balance, hit, feel, speed, shafts, design, I think the butt was a little thinner than Adam cues.
Longoni cues the ones I have tried turn out to be not on my liking (wood pin) something is not right for me other players like them a lot.
Alcalde cues I nice cues nice design I didn't like the octagonal butt and they are a little expensive.
Buffalo cues are cheaper models from Adam good cues for the money.
If you are looking for a good 3 cushion cue with a nice design in the lower and upper middle range Adam, going a little higher Schuler, about the Layani I only shot with 1 cue Blankenberge Special edition and it was really great but it only one cue and I don't know if all of his cues play the same...
I have tried quite a few 3 cushion cues since the 3 cushion game is popular in Greece.
I have shot with dozens of Adam cues both wood pin and double joint models, 3-4 Schuler cues, 1 Layani cue (the most expensive model), Longoni a few, a few Alcalde cues, Buffalo cues they are also from Adam and some noname cues which their name says it all... I play with a CK pool cue with a billiard shaft that was made from Chester when I ordered the cue and shoots great.
The Adam double joint cues is very good for 3 cushion, the wood pin cues I think is better for the small games.
The Schuler cues I tried had a very strong conical very thick which I didn't like, if you turn down the taper they hit very good. Something the butt is thicker than the other cues so if you are using a rubber wrap they get quite thick. I know that Schuler has 3 Carom shafts but I don't know which I have tried but everyone here has turned them down..
The Layani is my personal favorite the cue was great in everything balance, hit, feel, speed, shafts, design, I think the butt was a little thinner than Adam cues.
Longoni cues the ones I have tried turn out to be not on my liking (wood pin) something is not right for me other players like them a lot.
Alcalde cues I nice cues nice design I didn't like the octagonal butt and they are a little expensive.
Buffalo cues are cheaper models from Adam good cues for the money.
If you are looking for a good 3 cushion cue with a nice design in the lower and upper middle range Adam, going a little higher Schuler, about the Layani I only shot with 1 cue Blankenberge Special edition and it was really great but it only one cue and I don't know if all of his cues play the same...
Dave D
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I just took delivery, a few weeks ago, of a Ron Kilby carom cue. It is a traditional carom cue with a wood pin and conical taper. It is fantastic. You can deliver tremendous energy to the cue ball and it is beautifully constructed and a reasonable price for such hand made quality. I would unhesitatingly recommend him.
Dave
Dave
---I dont play much carom. However I had Ron Kilby build a cue for me for that would serve for 8,9 and has a carom shaft as well. It is by far the best playing cue I have. I posted it recently in the cue gallery if anybody is interest in see how complex Ron can make a cue.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=87566
---He is easy to work with and reasonably priced. I have a Carolina which was beautifully done, a Deikman conversion coming and own an early 8pt Helmstetter C6. The Helmstetter feels poorly put together compared to my Kilby. Has a hollow feel to it. I had Ron make a shaft for it and the was a marked improvement in the cue.
---Steve Klein has agreed to make a carom style cue for me in the near future. I am very interested to try one of his. Another great guy to work with.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=87566
---He is easy to work with and reasonably priced. I have a Carolina which was beautifully done, a Deikman conversion coming and own an early 8pt Helmstetter C6. The Helmstetter feels poorly put together compared to my Kilby. Has a hollow feel to it. I had Ron make a shaft for it and the was a marked improvement in the cue.
---Steve Klein has agreed to make a carom style cue for me in the near future. I am very interested to try one of his. Another great guy to work with.
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Dave D said:
I have a friend who has (2) of his Cues, and they are keeps according to him.
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ApoDra said:
I need a new Schuler carom shaft. Since I have freakishly small hands
, what would be the best choice here? I already tried the standard constant shaft but as ApoDra already mentioned, the very strong conical taper was also a real challenge for me! 
Is there anybody who had a constant shaft and switched to a "european" tapered shaft?
European (27.5 in. x 12 mm) Also called Ceulemans' Taper. Grows quickly from the ferrule, with even faster growth at the midsection of the shaft. Provides maximum "spine" while giving some relief for the fingers. Excellent control, power, consistency.
Hit classification: stiff/very stiff.
Constant (27.5 in. x 12 mm) Tapers constantly (wedge shape) from the ferrule to the joint. Hit is similar to European.
Hit classification: stiff/very stiff.
Super Constant (27.5 in. x 12mm) Elliptical arcs combine to produce this powerhouse.
Hit classification: stiff/very stiff.
"Provides maximum "spine" while giving some relief for the fingers." <-- That sounds really good!
"Elliptical arcs combine to produce this powerhouse." <-- What does that mean?
...3cPlayer
Honestly, Bruce...you come off as a relatively intelligent person
. Your question is akin to, 'who makes the best sandwich?', there is no answer. That is why consumers have choices: that's why they make Almond Joy and Mounds.
There are no awards given to the poster who starts the most threads.
. Your question is akin to, 'who makes the best sandwich?', there is no answer. That is why consumers have choices: that's why they make Almond Joy and Mounds.There are no awards given to the poster who starts the most threads.
I use a Schuler European Shaft. Never used a Constant, but the Euro is pretty damn thick. If you look at the descriptions: "Tapers constantly" vs. "grows quickly" and both are "stiff/very stiff" and "Hit is similar to European". I guess there's a difference but I don't think it's much. The Euro looks pretty much like constant taper to me, drives pool players away screaming. I think 'some relief' means 'very little'.
3cPlayer said:I need a new Schuler carom shaft. Since I have freakishly small hands
Is there anybody who had a constant shaft and switched to a "european" tapered shaft?
European (27.5 in. x 12 mm) Also called Ceulemans' Taper. Grows quickly from the ferrule, with even faster growth at the midsection of the shaft. Provides maximum "spine" while giving some relief for the fingers. Excellent control, power, consistency.
Hit classification: stiff/very stiff.
Constant (27.5 in. x 12 mm) Tapers constantly (wedge shape) from the ferrule to the joint. Hit is similar to European.
Hit classification: stiff/very stiff.
Super Constant (27.5 in. x 12mm) Elliptical arcs combine to produce this powerhouse.
Hit classification: stiff/very stiff.
"Provides maximum "spine" while giving some relief for the fingers." <-- That sounds really good!
"Elliptical arcs combine to produce this powerhouse." <-- What does that mean?
...3cPlayer
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Well, it seems like I have no other option than buying either a european or constant tapered shaft and turn it down?!? 
3cPlayer said:Well, it seems like I have no other option than buying either a european or constant tapered shaft and turn it down?!?
Ive been playing 3 cushion with a predator Z shaft. and I absolutly love it.
sounds like what you are looking for. its got a semi conical taper. but yet its very thin. surprisingly stiff for such a thin shaft.
I played with a Longoni for about 5 years with a European taper. Before that I played with a cue Harry Sims made. The shaft was a little more flexible than the Longoni. Then went to Dieckman for a custom job and ended up with a his special "Mazin" taper after trying out 2 other shaft tapers he sent me. I finally agreed with Dieckman and Harry. Just a little teeny bit of flex has some advantages and can be seen off the third rail on max english shots.
So I went with flex to stiff and back home to flex.
Moral of the story. You gotta give them all a try and give it ampel time to decide what YOU like.
So I went with flex to stiff and back home to flex.
Moral of the story. You gotta give them all a try and give it ampel time to decide what YOU like.
there's a guy in Korea that is building 3 carom cues similiar to the predator 2 lines spliced but and shaft. Not all the splices are maple he mixes them up for looks and maybe sort of a spline so to say. I belive his name is Hanblutt or Hanblat I have a friend in Korea looking for him while he is stationed over there.
There is a great local 3 cushion player here in Sacramento that owns 15+ caroom cues but thinks this korean cue is the nuts right now.
There is a great local 3 cushion player here in Sacramento that owns 15+ caroom cues but thinks this korean cue is the nuts right now.
Black-Balled said:Honestly, Bruce...you come off as a relatively intelligent person
There are no awards given to the poster who starts the most threads.
i make the best sandwiches - prosiutto,fresh mozzarella and roasted red peppers, salt,pepper, sprinkle of olive oil, on a toasted garlic bread roll with mustard. now i gotta go make me a sammich.
larrynj1 said:
That does sound like the best, though I would prefer a nice Cappicola or even Mortadella...